Even if they were included, how many delegates would they each get?
A fair few, I would have thought. On the order of 80-odd each if I remember correctly.
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~ Richard Feynman
some polls put Obama at 70 plus percent if he were to have been on the ballot in michigan.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080309/ap_ … y_scrambleKmarion wrote:
They are talking about sending us ballots in the mail. Both candidates have said they will go along with what the party decides.
Let’s recap. The state Democratic parties in Florida and Michigan deliberately break the rules to bump up their primaries. The DNC and Howard Dean react by stripping them of all their delegates and demanding candidates stop campaigning in those states, but in Michigan failing to have all of them take their names off the ballot. Not only does it turn out that both states could have played a much more effective role if they had kept their original primary dates, but now they don’t have the money for proper do-overs.
And now? The same state that complained about the complexity of butterfly ballots and the computation of punch cards that had been in use for decades (with a ballot designed by Democrats) now wants to use an unprecedented, hand-managed mail-in election to ensure fairness in the nominating process.
Did Alan Funt decide to do a new, political version of Candid Camera? Is this a new edition of the Dick Clark/Ed McMahon show, Practical Jokes? If not, then perhaps its aftermath will qualify. What happens if the race becomes close in Florida? Thousands of people will complain that they didn’t receive the ballots, or that the ballots never got counted. Rather than have a state elections board manage the process, the Democrats will have to do it themselves, lending all kinds of possibilities for conspiracy theorists.
The end result will have little credibility and will make the morass over the Democratic nomination even uglier. It will clarify nothing except that more than checks get lost in the mail. Lawsuits will abound, and the DNC will still have the same problem it has now about seating a Florida delegation at the convention — except that they may have competing delegations now.
Had Dean imposed the same kind of penalty that the Republicans did on Michigan and Florida — stripping them of half of their delegates — the problem would not exist. Now all of the solutions will cost an astronomical amount of money to implement, and that means money from their general-campaign funds against John McCain. They now have to adopt a method they fought eight years ago and use a system with far less reliability than that they have demonized ever since. Welcome to Democratic consistency and character.
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your obama is going to quit on all u lossers
Hi and welcome to Debate and Serious talk.JoeJr wrote:
your obama is going to quit on all u lossers
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I'm just hoping Masques is right. I hope that the few states Hillary wins from here on will be small enough in their margins that Obama will still get more delegates by the end of it.
According to CNN’s count, Obama leads 1527-1428, or, if you exclude superdelegates, 1328-1190, a difference of 138. There are 366 delegates at stake in the two states; if Hillary wins both 55/45, the delegates should split roughly 201/165, a difference of 36 — which won’t even get her to within double digits of Obama among pledged delegates. Bear in mind too that the latest Rasmussen poll not only doesn’t give her a 55/45 lead in Michigan, it doesn’t give her a lead at all: 41/41, with 18% undecided. So Michigan’s likely to end up a near-wash, with Florida providing her 25 extra delegates or so. Obama’s on track to blow her out tomorrow night in Mississippi so even that 25 will be offset.
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I think the delegate math eliminates Hillary ... at this point, she has got to deliver some sort of knock-out blow to his candidacy which would convince the super-delegates to mostly move toward her.Kmarion wrote:
According to CNN’s count, Obama leads 1527-1428, or, if you exclude superdelegates, 1328-1190, a difference of 138. There are 366 delegates at stake in the two states; if Hillary wins both 55/45, the delegates should split roughly 201/165, a difference of 36 — which won’t even get her to within double digits of Obama among pledged delegates. Bear in mind too that the latest Rasmussen poll not only doesn’t give her a 55/45 lead in Michigan, it doesn’t give her a lead at all: 41/41, with 18% undecided. So Michigan’s likely to end up a near-wash, with Florida providing her 25 extra delegates or so. Obama’s on track to blow her out tomorrow night in Mississippi so even that 25 will be offset.
Still, this is nearly impossible. Obama is Teflon. He has specifically limited his participation on controversial issues.
Mississippi:
Right on schedule, Fox calls it for Obama at 8 p.m. sharp.
As they come in:
http://abcnews.go.com/politics/election … mp;ref=rrw
Exit Polls: Mississippi - Democrats
Right on schedule, Fox calls it for Obama at 8 p.m. sharp.
As they come in:
http://abcnews.go.com/politics/election … mp;ref=rrw
Exit Polls: Mississippi - Democrats
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http://www.dailybreeze.com/lifeandculture/ci_8489268
Shorter Geraldine Ferraro: Barack Obama has consciously tried to stay above race. To that I say "fuck that dusky savage"!!"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position," she continued. "And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept." Ferraro does not buy the notion of Obama as the great reconciler.