BF2S Forums Still think gun bans prevent gun crime?

The total number of criminal incidents involving a firearm in NSW is now about 44 per cent lower than its peak in 1997, according to figures released today by the NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research.

The Bureau examined trends in firearms and violent crime in NSW between 1995 and 2005.

Last year about 15 people in NSW were murdered with some kind of firearm, compared with 23 people back in 2001. The drop in murders involving handguns has been particularly marked. Last year there were five murders with a handgun compared with 12 in 2001.

The Bureau also looked at incidents involving firearms that did not result in a death. Shooting incidents (i.e. Recorded incidents of shoot with intent) rose by 83 per cent between 1995 and 2001. Since 2001 they have fallen by 40 per cent.

As with murders, the fall in shooting incidents involving handguns has been particularly marked, falling from a peak of 53 incidents in 2001 to around 20 incidents in 2005 (i.e. a fall of about 62 per cent).

http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/lawlink/b … r_mr_cjb98

wiki wrote:

• Between 1991 and 2001, the number of firearm related deaths in Australia declined 47%
• 18 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre there were 13 mass shootings and in the decade since 1996 there have been none.
• The number of guns stolen has fallen dramatically from 4,000 per year to 664 in a six-month period in 2005
• In 2007, researchers at the Australian National University reported "There were on average 250 fewer firearm deaths per year after the implementation of the National Firearms Agreement than would have been expected," There was a reduction in both murders and suicides.

Gun Laws don't reduce gun crime? My ass they don't.

Note: 1997 was the year Australia introduced harsher gun regulations, and I think the statistics speak for them selves.

It doesn't prevent gun crime, it reduces it.

Mek-Izzle wrote:

jord wrote:

"Still think gun bans prevent crime?"

Yes.

Innit.

Although in a country like America where nearly everyone (even ig ) has a gun, it would be stupid to introduce gun bans across the whole country. Whereas in a country like the UK seeing as most people don't have guns it seems to make more sense to just ban guns in an attempt to reduce gun crime.

Of course at the end of the day if someone is determined enough they can do anything

It's differant there, pointles having it in one states surrounded by other states with guns. It's like banning guns in England but not in Scotland and Wales.

some_random_panda wrote:

The problem is that once the guns are out there, bans are ineffective.  If you stop the guns before they become readily available, then less guns = less gun violence.  For example, in Melbourne we haven't had a shooting for ages (except with the "underworld" murders).

and UNDERWORLDs don't count? what the fuck is an underworld murder. It's still a murder. Guns are good. People kill TONS of people with cars but that doesn't mean we should ban cars and ride buses. One would move to crossbows if guns were banned. Gangs would still have them.

I hope someone who is for gun bans gets fucking robbed and their family raped in their own house. I hope they do and find that maybe if they have a gun, they could have defended their honor and family.

Bunch of city slicker anti-gun pussies.

HurricaИe wrote:

Gawwad wrote:

A gun ban doesn't really work when you can just buy one legally from an adjacent state, now does it?

posessing it in DC would still be illegal. A law-abiding citizen in DC would not have a gun to defend his home, his life. A criminal is already intent on breaking the law, the fuck do they care if they have illegal possession of a weapon on their repertoire as well?

edit: Christ people it's been said over 9,000 times, gun bans in the US are a very different beast compared to gun bans in Europe, Australia etc

Isn't that exactly what I said?

DrunkFace wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

Gawwad wrote:

A gun ban doesn't really work when you can just buy one legally from an adjacent state, now does it?

posessing it in DC would still be illegal. A law-abiding citizen in DC would not have a gun to defend his home, his life. A criminal is already intent on breaking the law, the fuck do they care if they have illegal possession of a weapon on their repertoire as well?

edit: Christ people it's been said over 9,000 times, gun bans in the US are a very different beast compared to gun bans in Europe, Australia etc

Only because they can't get there fucking act together and make a uniform national law, but rather rely on every state to make there own laws and have no border checks between them.

border checks??? Are you fucking insane? We do have rights. I don't know what kinda rights you have in Austrailia, but this is America and we do what we want. We go where we want, when we want, and don't have to worry about being harassed by the cops or checked without probable cause. Look at our constitution. Right in there it says we have a RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. That is the document our country is founded on and its un-American to change that. We also have a right to not be fucked with, guns help us uphold that basic human right.

LIFE LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.

I need a gun to protect my life, liberty, and happiness.

AllmightyOz wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

posessing it in DC would still be illegal. A law-abiding citizen in DC would not have a gun to defend his home, his life. A criminal is already intent on breaking the law, the fuck do they care if they have illegal possession of a weapon on their repertoire as well?

edit: Christ people it's been said over 9,000 times, gun bans in the US are a very different beast compared to gun bans in Europe, Australia etc

Only because they can't get there fucking act together and make a uniform national law, but rather rely on every state to make there own laws and have no border checks between them.

border checks??? Are you fucking insane? We do have rights. I don't know what kinda rights you have in Austrailia, but this is America and we do what we want. We go where we want, when we want, and don't have to worry about being harassed by the cops or checked without probable cause. Look at our constitution. Right in there it says we have a RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. That is the document our country is founded on and its un-American to change that. We also have a right to not be fucked with, guns help us uphold that basic human right.

LIFE LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.

I need a gun to protect my life, liberty, and happiness.

I wouldn't want to be afraid to walk unarmed.
Life must suck where you live...

Shem wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

its an internal issue.  mind your own business.  You think Im here writing about how stupid I think European or Australian laws are?

I believe an american started the thread.

http://www.gun-control-network.org/International.gif

Just to throw this in too.

Guns are bad.

I believe you think I was addressing the OP.

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Shem wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

its an internal issue.  mind your own business.  You think Im here writing about how stupid I think European or Australian laws are?

I believe an american started the thread.

http://www.gun-control-network.org/International.gif

Just to throw this in too.

Guns are bad.

I believe you think I was addressing the OP.

I believe I think you were just making a comment about how europeans and aussies were saying that gun bans are good, despite an american starting the thread making a jab at said parties.

I think we'll defend our views, as will you.

Shem wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Shem wrote:

I believe an american started the thread.

http://www.gun-control-network.org/International.gif

Just to throw this in too.

Guns are bad.

I believe you think I was addressing the OP.

I believe I think you were just making a comment about how europeans and aussies were saying that gun bans are good, despite an american starting the thread making a jab at said parties.

I think we'll defend our views, as will you.

I believe its an internal issue and I think euros and aussies do a lot of stupid things too.  Do I care enough to debate about it.  no, not for the most part.  USA #1

mikeyb118 wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Shem wrote:

I believe an american started the thread.

http://www.gun-control-network.org/International.gif

Just to throw this in too.

Guns are bad.

I believe you think I was addressing the OP.

Ripping off cam?

huh?

Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2008-03-08 07:05:28)

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

huh?

He said something incredibly similar over some issue in Iran. I saw satire, obviously it was not intended .

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

AllmightyOz wrote:

don't have to worry about being harassed by the cops or checked without probable cause.

I laughed at this.

well for the most part. I hate most cops. I have myself been harassed by the cops but I was smoking trees and carrying on like a drunk lol.

8.5 more deaths than australia per 100,000 according to that chart. Thats not very much of a fucking improvement is it? What is eight lives on our soil when scores get killed overseas?

I think to an extent people killing others is good. A gang member shooting another gang member. It's natural selection and quite frankly, some people DESERVE to die.

The USA is also a much different place. Views, people, more packed in, diverse. I mean can you walk down the street in Australia and see 20 different races before you hit the end of the block? I HIGHLY doubt it. America is a dangerous place, you can get raped at school, raped by someone posing to be a cop, shanked or shot up for your wallet in an alley, hit by a drunk driver on our croweded highways. Of course, with more people there is always more potential for shit to go amiss. It's a chance I'm willing to take for collecting, hunting, admiring, and shooting the guns that I love. FREEDOM has its risks and its rewards