{HMS}_Sir_Del_Boy
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Taken from Yahoo News UK & Ireland;

HANOVER, Germany (AFP) - "I don't care, we're all going to die anyway," says 17-year-old Christian, to laughs from his friends as they play video games at the CeBIT IT fair in Germany.

What he does not care about is the environmental impact of the games console he and his mates are playing in a giant exhibition hall crammed full of other teenagers playing the latest shoot-em-ups, driving games and the like.

Whereas many of the 5,500 exhibitors at CeBIT in Hanover, Germany like IBM and Deutsche Telekom have been at pains to trumpet their green credentials, in Hall 22 there is not a tree-hugger in sight.

Microsoft chief executive Steve Ballmer travelled to the fair to tell people what the world's largest software company was doing its bit for the environment -- but the company's Xbox games console was not mentioned once in this context.

Indeed a Microsoft Xbox spokesman in Hanover conceded he had never been asked about the environmental impact of the 18 million Xbox 360s sold so far, preferring instead to forward AFP's questions to headquarters.

Worldwide computer use requires 14 power stations for the necessary electricity, producing more harmful carbon dioxide emissions than the entire airline industry -- not including the emissions created and manufacturing and shipping around the products in the first place.

And games consoles -- of which 62 million were sold in last year -- are the gas guzzlers of this industry, using huge amounts of energy to generate the necessary mindblowing graphics and sounds.

When played online, they are linked up to huge server farms which use even more energy.

And with each generation of console -- we are currently on the seventh -- repeatedly made obsolete by the newest technology, millions of machines, games and other accessories are thrown away, destined often for the developing world.

This has not escaped the notice of Greenpeace, which was taking part in CeBIT for the first time, vowing to sort the "greenwash" from the genuine amid all the talk of green IT.

The environmental pressure group issued results of a survey comparing the green credentials of 37 products from 14 major brands, showing modest improvements regarding hazardous substances, energy efficiency and recyclability.

But Nintendo provided no data for the investigation on its Wii console, Micosoft said they had no information, and Sony's details on the PlayStation were "very late and very insufficient," Greenpeace campaigner Zeina Al-Hajj said.

Greenpeace suspects this speaks volumes.

"The industry has not looked at all at the environmental impact of the games console. The amount of energy they consume, especially the XBox and the PlayStation, is massive. There is no evidence that they are acting," Al-Hajj said.

Greenpeace concedes that some improvements have been made, particularly by Nintendo with its Wii in terms of energy consumption and recyclability, but it says much more needs to be done.

"If you can do it in a Wii, why not with a Sony?" Al-Hajj says.

And a spokesman for IBM, which supplies powerful microchips for the Xbox, the Wii and the PlayStation, while keen to talk about the firm's efforts to be greener in its other businesses, does not want to talk about games consoles.

"You would have to ask them," meaning the games consoles makers, IBM spokesman Joerg Winkelmann says. He adds however that processess for making the chips have improved.

Microsoft headquarters did not reply. Nor did AMD, whose processors are also found in many consoles.

Gamers in CeBIT Hall 22 meanwhile carried on playing.

"This doesn't stop me gaming at all. The fun factor is very high and you think first about the fun factor of the games," says Sebastian, a 22-year-old soldier and gaming fanatic.

"Most people who play games don't really think at all of the environment, they think about the fun factor," he says.

Seventeen-year-old Geld from the Netherlands shrugs as the sound of music in the windowless hall pumps louder and louder.

"A washing machine uses more energy than a computer," he says, turning to get on with his game, fingers working madly on the buttons.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080307/t … 7e0e4.html

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Tetrino
International OMGWTFBBQ
+200|7158|Uhh... erm...
Even if we all turned off our computers, power stations and server farms spontaneously, it's not exactly going to stop global warming, is it?



Greenpeace might as well look into how many bullets are fired everyday and how much carbon emission is released from each bullet.



Then they should argue that war is making more harmful carbon dioxide than the entire airline AND automobile industry.
{HMS}_Sir_Del_Boy
Member
+69|7136|th3 unkn0wn

Tetrino wrote:

Greenpeace might as well look into how many bullets are fired everyday and how much carbon emission is released from each bullet.
They'd probably get shot @ for looking into it if you ask me
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7193|UK
lol. Clearly this guy doesnt get that wiis use no power coz they have jack shit processing power and GP power.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7048|London, England
No it's not, it's crappy shitty polluting power stations from the fucking 19th Century that are. You know if the energy required for all these machines was from a clean sustainable source then there wouldn't be a problem.

We need to build more nuclear plants, imo. It's the most viable option that also does jack shit to the atmosphere and thus the least likely to further cause Climate Change.

Look at the source, the electric car is only as clean as the source that charges it up.

Last edited by Mek-Izzle (2008-03-08 04:52:08)

usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7189

Mek-Izzle wrote:

No it's not, it's crappy shitty polluting power stations from the fucking 19th Century that are. You know if the energy required for all these machines was from a clean sustainable source then there wouldn't be a problem.

We need to build more nuclear plants, imo. It's the most viable option that also does jack shit to the atmosphere and thus the least likely to further cause Climate Change.

Look at the source, the electric car is only as clean as the source that charges it up.
you kill the planet faghat.
Sydney
2λчиэλ
+783|7270|Reykjavík, Iceland.
My computer is 100% green running on electricity produced by a hydroelectric power plant, so no impact here.
Tetrino
International OMGWTFBBQ
+200|7158|Uhh... erm...

usmarine wrote:

Mek-Izzle wrote:

No it's not, it's crappy shitty polluting power stations from the fucking 19th Century that are. You know if the energy required for all these machines was from a clean sustainable source then there wouldn't be a problem.

We need to build more nuclear plants, imo. It's the most viable option that also does jack shit to the atmosphere and thus the least likely to further cause Climate Change.

Look at the source, the electric car is only as clean as the source that charges it up.
you kill the planet faghat.
A few buckets of reusable nuclear sludge a year won't kill the planet as quickly as ten billion cubic meters of carbon dioxide a year.
KuSTaV
noice
+947|6938|Gold Coast
Meh.

Nobody will stop using computers. They pretty much run everything.
Get them to list something that doesnt/didnt require a computer to run/design/manufacture, then we'll consider.
Plus, gaming is leet.
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The#1Spot
Member
+105|6967|byah
I can honestly careless. Technology is everything and it will never stop growing.
Magpie
international welder....Douchebag Dude, <3 ur mom
+257|6953|Milkystania, yurop
No gaming is not destroying the earth , all u siners who masturbate all the time you guys are the ones destroying the earth one fap at the time
HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6388|Washington DC
How about instead of getting rid of computers we invest in proper energy sources? Nuclear, hydroelectric, wind, solar, whatever. They're all right there waiting to be used, but nobody wants to take the blow to their wallets to actually implement them.
KylieTastic
Games, Girls, Guinness
+85|6879|Cambridge, UK

Next Gen consoles to have own fusion power module



and no gaming is no more killing the planet than any other entertainment... unless we go back to playing board games and going to bed when it gets dark

Last edited by KylieTastic (2008-03-08 07:12:44)

Smells Like Muff
Member
+6|6535
heh

If its not this then it will be something else... trust me, Greenpeace is bored and looking for shit.

Soon they will be telling us to cull the herds of human population because of the excess gas we produce via our bums...
Commie Killer
Member
+192|6814

HurricaИe wrote:

How about instead of getting rid of computers we invest in proper energy sources? Nuclear, hydroelectric, wind, solar, whatever. They're all right there waiting to be used, but nobody wants to take the blow to their wallets to actually implement them.
Because Greenpeace is against virtually all of them to some extent. They wanna go back to the stone age and undiscover fire. Fuck them and PETA.
Lol corny joke....PETA is People for the Eating of Tasty Animals.
Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6895

PBAsydney wrote:

My computer is 100% green running on electricity produced by a hydroelectric power plant, so no impact here.
Yeah mine runs on 70% wind power, 30% nuclear power so I'm not doing any damage.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6832|North Carolina
Blame the power companies, don't blame the gamers.  If power companies used cleaner methods, this wouldn't even be an issue.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7048|London, England

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

PBAsydney wrote:

My computer is 100% green running on electricity produced by a hydroelectric power plant, so no impact here.
Yeah mine runs on 70% wind power, 30% nuclear power so I'm not doing any damage.
How do you guys know where your power is coming from, cos I want to find out too

edit: Oh yeah we've got the whole Grid system so power comes from any of the stations in the whole country. To wherever it's needed.

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FloppY_
­
+1,010|6713|Denmark aka Automotive Hell
Greenpeace can go screw themselves, start doing good where it matters...

https://www.mndaily.com/daily/2003/03/28/p2timelineB.jpg

Several oilwells are burning 24/7 in the mid east, I bet they pollute more than all of BF2s user's PC's do.....




EDIT: And my PC is running on 80% wind-power

Last edited by FloppY_ (2008-03-08 08:29:09)

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FloppY_ wrote:

Greenpeace can go screw themselves, start doing good where it matters...

http://www.mndaily.com/daily/2003/03/28/p2timelineB.jpg

Several oilwells are burning 24/7 in the mid east, I bet they pollute more than all of BF2s user's PC's do.....




EDIT: And my PC is running on 80% wind-power
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Sydney
2λчиэλ
+783|7270|Reykjavík, Iceland.

FloppY_ wrote:

Greenpeace can go screw themselves, start doing good where it matters...

http://www.mndaily.com/daily/2003/03/28/p2timelineB.jpg

Several oilwells are burning 24/7 in the mid east, I bet they pollute more than all of BF2s user's PC's do.....




EDIT: And my PC is running on 80% wind-power
They just burn the gas in the gas pockets that are above the oil pockets.
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6874|Chicago, IL
my computer runs on gypsy magic
jord
Member
+2,382|7105|The North, beyond the wall.
My computer runs on endangered animals.
liquix
Member
+51|6881|Peoples Republic of Portland
does this post really need an answer? FFS, it's maddening to even consider a response to such ridiculous claims.

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