Lol.. that means nothing in real terms. Our nation was founded by a Jedeau Christian society. If you think your examples are forcing morality on people you need to get a grip. I sincerely hope your principles are not so easily swayed.DonFck wrote:
"One nation, under God."sergeriver wrote:
IMO the US is a good example of almost complete separation of Church and State.
"In God we trust."
"I feel like God wants me to run for President" - Dubya
Actually, the state acts according to the law. In the case of the US, that law mandates a separation of church and state...regardless of the beliefs of those in office.DonFck wrote:
The state is it's people. The people are represented by their elected leaders. If the elected leaders are strongly religious and use the Holy Bible as a book of guidelines, the state acts according to a religious agenda, hence scratching the concept of secularism from the list of ideologies. Of course, this is not the peoples fault. Nor is it a constant condition. IMOsergeriver wrote:
Under God was added in the 50's. In God we trust is in the dollar bills, not in the constitution. Dubya isn't the US.
However, leaders change, the constitution (hopefully) doesn't.
I know, Kerry.Kmarion wrote:
Lol.. that means nothing in real terms. Our nation was founded by a Jedeau Christian society. If you think your examples are forcing morality on people you need to get a grip. I sincerely hope your principles are not so easily swayed.
...I would like to respectfully disagree. It's quite a leap from the Treaty of Tripoli in 1797Kmarion wrote:
Lol.. that means nothing in real terms.DonFck wrote:
"I feel like God wants me to run for President" - Dubya
Blair suddenly turned Catholic when he was elected because he didnt want his kids to go to state schools, yet he had supposedly put so much effort into making state schools equally as good as public schools.... its all a farce, religion and politics.Mek-Izzle wrote:
Yeah, and I find it odd that legally the UK isn't secular but in reality it's pretty much one of the most secular places in the world. The Politicians here have to be more Athiest if anything, I remember Tony Blair saying how he "hid" his faith from the public (unlike GWB) because people would think he is a nutter, and rightly so. 'Cos religion has no place in politics, and he knows itsergeriver wrote:
Portugal, Spain, Italy and France? Mmmm, no.Mek-Izzle wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state
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/Smartass
Brazil and Mexico? I don't think so. Pretty much the Catholic Church says how things are there.
No candidate in this election is running based on religion. Huckabee did not hide from his religious leanings, but he focused on issues far more often. The critics of candidates like Romney and Huckabee highlighted their religion more than the candidates themselves. Interestingly enough, the candidate I, a conservative Christian liked the least for the Reps was Huckabee, the conservative Christian. Why? I disagreed with his decision and policies. Thompson never said anything about his own religious leanings and I liked him the best, with Romney a close 2nd ... based on their stance on the issues. I think you're overemphasizing the religion angle.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
I have no problem with religious people being active in politics. I do have a problem when it becomes a litmus test. Yes, it is illegal to have formal requirements of religious affiliation to run for office, but not having a religious affiliation is tantamount to running as the Great Satan. I also have a severe problem with people wanting to alter the constitution to fit their narrow little definition of what is right and wrong. Yes, there are moral standards that need to apply to everyone in order for society to function, but those that don't affect others should not be allowed to be a federal discrimination clause in the Constitution.Stingray24 wrote:
Ah yes the establishment clause, preventing a state religion and preventing government from restricting religious expression. All citizens should seek to influence their government, whether they choose a particular faith or not. However, some people who hate religion seem to begrudge people of faith involvement in the process.
This again . http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/abbas- … 27485.htmlapollo_fi wrote:
...I would like to respectfully disagree. It's quite a leap from the Treaty of Tripoli in 1797Kmarion wrote:
Lol.. that means nothing in real terms.DonFck wrote:
"I feel like God wants me to run for President" - Dubya
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e … cle_11.GIF
to Dubya on his mission from god:
'I am driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did.'
Kmarion wrote:
This again . http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/abbas- … 27485.htmlapollo_fi wrote:
...I would like to respectfully disagree. It's quite a leap from the Treaty of Tripoli in 1797Kmarion wrote:
Lol.. that means nothing in real terms.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e … cle_11.GIF
to Dubya on his mission from god:
'I am driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabil_Shaath
You fearmonger you. What's the Christian equivalent to Islamaphobe?
