[Windows XP]Boot failure without CD

2008-03-10 12:39:33

#1

PigPopTart: Shotgun whore; +133|6565|Pacific NW, USA

---UPDATE--- Windows is working WeWt! Thanks guys. ---UPDATE---

It's been over 3 months since I've played BF2 because of a sasser worm/corrupt file that fucked everything up on my gaming PC. It sat for 3 months because my wife had our baby and all my attention went to him.

I finally started trying to get it going last week and there has been a laundry list of problems. But with help from BF2s members, mainly Steelie34, I've got it to the point it's at now....but it yet again, has another problem.

Now you're probably asking why I don't just give up and either buy a new computer or take it to someone that knows what they're doing.....well I would have happily done either of those options 3 months ago but I spent all my "fun money" on turboing my car. So i need your help because I don't have any money to spend on it and I'd like to keep learning.

I'm making this my ongoing computer problems thread, because I'm sure the problem I'm having now isn't the last...I'll just update it as i go.

------------------------Current problem---------------

I Re formatted the hard drives (2X 112GB SATA running RAID0) and now have Windows XP home installed, only problem is that once I change the boot device in BIOS back to HD ... It tells me there is a "Disk boot failure" and windows will not boot. If i go back into BIOS and change the boot order back to CDROM 1st and put the XP CD in, windows will load and once in I can take the disc out and it all goes normal.

Why does it need the CD to boot after installation?

Last edited by PigPopTart (2008-03-12 09:24:13)

Rufknsrsbro?

2008-03-10 12:44:04

#2

geNius: ..!.,; +144|6718|SoCal

RAID drivers.

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2008-03-10 12:45:28

#3

Marlboroman82: Personal philosophy: Clothing optional.; +1,022|6899|Camp XRay

geNius wrote:
RAID drivers.

should be a little floppy drive

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2008-03-10 12:55:10

#4

steelie34: pub hero!; +603|6657|the land of bourbon

that is definitely weird. once you've installed windows, it should have copied the drivers necessary to start the system. how exactly did you set up the RAID?

it sounds like a bios config problem. just enable all the boot devices possible (except for floppy) Once it finds the boot sector it should go.

Last edited by steelie34 (2008-03-10 12:58:48)

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2008-03-10 13:07:12

#5

jsnipy: ...; +3,277|6799|...

PigPopTart wrote:
------------------------Current problem---------------

I Re formatted the hard drives (2X 112GB SATA running RAID0) and now have Windows XP home installed, only problem is that once I change the boot device in BIOS back to HD ... It tells me there is a "Disk boot failure" and windows will not boot. If i go back into BIOS and change the boot order back to CDROM 1st and put the XP CD in, windows will load and once in I can take the disc out and it all goes normal.

Why does it need the CD to boot after installation?

Usually when you do raid, you set the boot device in the bios to something other than a drive (typically you will see something like"raid", varies per board)

2008-03-10 14:15:59

#6

PigPopTart: Shotgun whore; +133|6565|Pacific NW, USA

Here is the start up sequence without the XP Cd in...Pics with direct link below for better res.

https://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/IntegraVSR/FuckinComputer/DSCF6422.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/ … CF6422.jpg

https://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/IntegraVSR/FuckinComputer/DSCF6424.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/ … CF6424.jpg

https://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/IntegraVSR/FuckinComputer/DSCF6425.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/ … CF6425.jpg

Marlboroman82 wrote:
geNius wrote:
RAID drivers.
should be a little floppy drive

Yeah. It has 4 options;

1: .\sillicon\3112\
2: .\intel\
3: .\sillicon\3114\
4: .\via\

When i turn the computer on, (black screen white text) I see in the top left "Sil 3112A SATARaid" So I chose #1 in the list above.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/ … CF6424.jpg

steelie34 wrote:
how exactly did you set up the RAID?

I hit ctrl+I and it took me to a screen where i chose if I wanted to set up RAID0 or Delete the RAID array. I chose to set up RAID0. After I did that...pressing ctrl+I doesn't do anything anymore. In the picture above it says "Press <ctrl+s> or F4 to enter RAID utility, pressing either of those does nothing. (???)

steelie34 wrote:
it sounds like a bios config problem. just enable all the boot devices possible (except for floppy) Once it finds the boot sector it should go.

https://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/IntegraVSR/FuckinComputer/DSCF6426.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/ … CF6426.jpg

I've moved the first, second and third boot device around in many different combos, what do you suggest i change?

jsnipy wrote:
Usually when you do raid, you set the boot device in the bios to something other than a drive (typically you will see something like"raid", varies per board)

these are my boot options:

https://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/IntegraVSR/FuckinComputer/DSCF6427.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/ … CF6427.jpg

https://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/IntegraVSR/FuckinComputer/DSCF6428.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/ … CF6428.jpg

Rufknsrsbro?

2008-03-10 16:16:03

#7

steelie34: pub hero!; +603|6657|the land of bourbon

what is that "ls120" thing in the second to last pic?

2008-03-10 16:37:55

#8

PigPopTart: Shotgun whore; +133|6565|Pacific NW, USA

I dunno... you're the expert, you tell me

Rufknsrsbro?

2008-03-10 16:55:22

#9

Mr.Dooomed: Find your center.; +752|6604

Have the hard drives your trying to install on gone to shit? I just ask, because I had similar problems when I tried to install XP on a hard drive that was fucked up with bad sectors and shit, and I haven't figured out how to fix it. I used a dos program to write the hard drive to all 0's, and it took DAYS i mean like 4 days...And it STILL didn't fix it. ANyway, not to hijack ur thread or anything but steelie can u like PM me lol thnx

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2008-03-10 18:42:45

#10

steelie34: pub hero!; +603|6657|the land of bourbon

PigPopTart wrote:
I dunno... you're the expert, you tell me

try to set it as the boot device? see what happens...

Im_Dooomed wrote:
Have the hard drives your trying to install on gone to shit? I just ask, because I had similar problems when I tried to install XP on a hard drive that was fucked up with bad sectors and shit, and I haven't figured out how to fix it. I used a dos program to write the hard drive to all 0's, and it took DAYS i mean like 4 days...And it STILL didn't fix it. ANyway, not to hijack ur thread or anything but steelie can u like PM me lol thnx

sounds like hardware prob to me. if you have a LOT of sector read/write errors, just get a new hard drive. zeroing the drive doesn't really help with that.

2008-03-10 19:47:08

#11

PigPopTart: Shotgun whore; +133|6565|Pacific NW, USA

steelie34 wrote:
PigPopTart wrote:
I dunno... you're the expert, you tell me
try to set it as the boot device? see what happens...

Tried it, nothing different.

Here are the options I get from the SATA Driver Disk.

https://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/IntegraVSR/FuckinComputer/DSCF6493.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/ … CF6493.jpg

When I installed yesterday I chose the second one down because when booting up, the mobo says "Sil 3112A SATARaid BIOS Version 4.2.12"

Rufknsrsbro?

2008-03-11 08:32:54

#12

steelie34: pub hero!; +603|6657|the land of bourbon

so it seems you have an additional raid controller besides the integrated intel one. are your hard drives connected directly to your mobo? or are they connected to card that is plugged into a pci slot?

2008-03-11 09:40:57

#13

PigPopTart: Shotgun whore; +133|6565|Pacific NW, USA

They plug directly into the mobo.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/ … CF6494.jpg

Rufknsrsbro?

2008-03-11 09:57:35

#14

steelie34: pub hero!; +603|6657|the land of bourbon

waaaaait just a minute. you dont still have the floppy in your disk drive do you?

2008-03-11 10:19:09

#15

PigPopTart: Shotgun whore; +133|6565|Pacific NW, USA

lol, no.

So is this a driver problem or are my hard drives somehow shot?

edit: what driver option from the disk should i be choosing? (the one I chose was sil 3112 SATARaid driver for XP)

Last edited by PigPopTart (2008-03-11 10:23:06)

Rufknsrsbro?

2008-03-11 10:21:41

#16

De_Jappe: Triarii; +432|6803|Belgium

ls120 is a "superdisk", which was a variant on floppy's back in the days, very much space at that time (around 120 megs or so) useless now.

A few thinks you should check:
* Are the disks jumpers set on the right thing
* I hope there is no diskette in your diskette station? (if you still have one).

Do a badblocks scan with knoppix (badblocks -sv) if you have that, to make sure your HD is okay.
If you don't have that, boot from the windows CD and press R for recovery, then you should get a doslike window: type "chkdsk /r" without the quotes.

Another thing might be that the windows XP installation has never finished correctly and that he needs the XP cd to start before he can do anything else.

And ever pressed F4 to see the raid utility?

Try to reinstall everything, with the correct raid drivers.
That's basicly all I can think of right now...

2008-03-11 10:22:41

#17

steelie34: pub hero!; +603|6657|the land of bourbon

i dont want to say its a hardware problem. do you have a sata controller card in your PC? it seems like you have two different raid controllers, and your pc is trying to boot from your raid card instead of the mobo controller.

reinstall windows using the intel raid controller. might be worth a shot. make sure you have the drivers for your mobo

Last edited by steelie34 (2008-03-11 10:23:54)

2008-03-11 10:28:02

#18

PigPopTart: Shotgun whore; +133|6565|Pacific NW, USA

De_Jappe wrote:
And ever pressed F4 to see the raid utility?

I fuckin' hammer on it on start up and it doesn't do a thing.

steelie34 wrote:
i dont want to say its a hardware problem. do you have a sata controller card in your PC? it seems like you have two different raid controllers, and your pc is trying to boot from your raid card instead of the mobo controller.

reinstall windows using the intel raid controller. might be worth a shot. make sure you have the drivers for your mobo

Would the raid card be in a PCI slot?

Rufknsrsbro?

2008-03-11 10:33:47

#19

steelie34: pub hero!; +603|6657|the land of bourbon

PigPopTart wrote:
Would the raid card be in a PCI slot?

yes...

since that was the controller you picked to install windows on, it seems like it is trying to boot from that controller... since there are no hard drives connected to it, you are getting those "primary channel not found"

you could also try to connect the hard drives to the card and see if it boots.

2008-03-11 10:42:13

#20

PigPopTart: Shotgun whore; +133|6565|Pacific NW, USA

So the intel raid controller would be the mobo raid controller....since the HD's are plugged into the mobo, that's the one i should have chosen.

I'll check for the raid card but i doubt it has one...

edit: There isn't one, only PCI slot being used is for my audio card.

OK well i'm going to try to re install windows again but using the intel raid controller.

Last edited by PigPopTart (2008-03-11 10:44:27)

Rufknsrsbro?

2008-03-11 10:52:56

#21

steelie34: pub hero!; +603|6657|the land of bourbon

PigPopTart wrote:
OK well i'm going to try to re install windows again but using the intel raid controller.

yes... a good plan.

2008-03-11 12:42:31

#22

Agent_Dung_Bomb: Member; +302|7012|Salt Lake City

Check your manual. Some of the ports may not be usable for a RAID configuration, or the hard drives containing the OS need to be on specific SATA slots. I've seen this before with Asus boards using Intel chipsets.

Also bare in mind that your board may have two RAID controllers. Some of the ports supporting RAID through the Intel chipset, and other supporting RAID through an integrated Silicon Image chipset on the board. Depending on which controller your drives are attached will determine which set of SATA drivers you need to install. Or, you can just install them both if your board has both. Once you select the driver you want to install, the screen will ask you if there are other drivers you want to install. If you select Yes, you can then go back and install the other set of SATA drivers, giving you RAID driver installation for both controllers. You can do this even if you don't plan on using the RAID functions of the other controller, and will only have single/stand alone drives attached to them.

Hope this helps.

2008-03-11 13:00:54

#23

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6730|The Twilight Zone

Is your mobo Abit?

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2008-03-11 13:08:12

#24

steelie34: pub hero!; +603|6657|the land of bourbon

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Check your manual. Some of the ports may not be usable for a RAID configuration, or the hard drives containing the OS need to be on specific SATA slots. I've seen this before with Asus boards using Intel chipsets.

Also bare in mind that your board may have two RAID controllers. Some of the ports supporting RAID through the Intel chipset, and other supporting RAID through an integrated Silicon Image chipset on the board. Depending on which controller your drives are attached will determine which set of SATA drivers you need to install. Or, you can just install them both if your board has both. Once you select the driver you want to install, the screen will ask you if there are other drivers you want to install. If you select Yes, you can then go back and install the other set of SATA drivers, giving you RAID driver installation for both controllers. You can do this even if you don't plan on using the RAID functions of the other controller, and will only have single/stand alone drives attached to them.

Hope this helps.

^^^ poptart ^^^ read that...

2008-03-11 13:26:32

#25

PigPopTart: Shotgun whore; +133|6565|Pacific NW, USA

steelie34 wrote:
PigPopTart wrote:
OK well i'm going to try to re install windows again but using the intel raid controller.
yes... a good plan.

Same problem.

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Check your manual. Some of the ports may not be usable for a RAID configuration, or the hard drives containing the OS need to be on specific SATA slots. I've seen this before with Asus boards using Intel chipsets.

Also bare in mind that your board may have two RAID controllers. Some of the ports supporting RAID through the Intel chipset, and other supporting RAID through an integrated Silicon Image chipset on the board. Depending on which controller your drives are attached will determine which set of SATA drivers you need to install. Or, you can just install them both if your board has both. Once you select the driver you want to install, the screen will ask you if there are other drivers you want to install. If you select Yes, you can then go back and install the other set of SATA drivers, giving you RAID driver installation for both controllers. You can do this even if you don't plan on using the RAID functions of the other controller, and will only have single/stand alone drives attached to them.

Hope this helps.

Sounds like a good idea, i'll have to try it out when i get back to my house later. I hope you're right.

.Sup wrote:
Is your mobo Abit?

Yes, Abit IC7-G i875P

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geNius wrote:

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Marlboroman82 wrote:

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steelie34 wrote:

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jsnipy wrote:

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Im_Dooomed wrote:

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Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

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