Poll

Academic or Practical Experience

Practical Experience85%85% - 64
Academic Experience14%14% - 11
Total: 75
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6838|'Murka

Please explain your rationale for your choice.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

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GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7071
Practical.  Because Ive known some of the biggest retards with perfect grades in school.
SEREMAKER
BABYMAKIN EXPERT √
+2,187|6995|Mountains of NC

practical ............ you can be the smartest person in the world but if you can't cross the street then what fucking good are you
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chittydog
less busy
+586|7262|Kubra, Damn it!

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Practical.  Because Ive known some of the biggest retards with perfect grades in school.
QFE. I've known people with Master's degrees who can barely wipe their own asses.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7048|London, England

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Practical.  Because Ive known some of the biggest retards with perfect grades in school.
Agreed. And I was one of them (i don't know whether that's showing off or putting myself down, i'd say the latter)

In the real world what matters in most jobs is Academic though, although Military experience is a mix of both Academic and Practical - which is why I'm going down that path.

I'm actually going to null vote because I really don't know

Basically someone with a degree is always going to get the job, but someone in the Military would also have a high chance. Now someone with both, well they'd be a shoe-in for the job. Of course, joining the Military is a career in itself. But like I said Military is both so it's probably not the best example.

Last edited by Mek-Izzle (2008-03-11 09:18:04)

Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6872|The Land of Scott Walker
Practical.  It's using the knowledge you've obtained rather than keeping it stores neatly in one's brain.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6982
Mixture. A person doing something and not knowing why is as much of a retard as someone knowing how to do something but not being able to do it.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-03-11 09:15:30)

GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7071
yup.  Ive met these 40 year old guys who have their master's degrees who want to begin a military career that late in the game.   Some of the dumbest soldiers Ive ever encountered.  They joined as enlisted.
Christbane
Member
+51|6662
I'll go with a good mix of both topped off with some damn common sense.   It is very important to get a good education.  but don't expect that alone to get you where you need to go
yogi_is_bare
Member
+8|6319|UK
yep definately practical i hear stories all the time about "oh my friend went to university and did *wateva* but now 10-15 years on he delivers my pizza to me" - for example thats what my 30 yearish old cousin says
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6897
Academic.

Because TRUE academics will never need to exert themselves into practical scenarios, nor will they ever have to concern themselves with practical trivialities.
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Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|7149|Eastern PA
Either. Most truly smart people know when they don't know shit about shit...
Drakef
Cheeseburger Logicist
+117|6789|Vancouver
Which is more important for what? I would define that before coming to a conclusion, as well as what practical definitively means. Academia can be practical, and many scholars are as practical as any other person- In which case, an argument between academia and practicality makes little sense. If we take the assumption that some here have held, that it is academic scholars versus tradesmen and the less educated (a traditional argument), then the idea is that these methods of learning are entirely different for a point. There are careers that are meant for each, and neither is more important.

To assume that university is a waste of time and money, simply from hearsay and stories is completely wrong. As someone could speak conversely of another individual who didn't go to university, it denies that universities are valuable in producing many talented and brilliant individuals, who seem to have been stereotyped as clueless at anything else without any real necessity.

Yet, again I would define what is important, and define practicality. Is it as some have assumed, in debating the uses of people in different career paths? Until then, I cannot make an argument for either side.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6838|'Murka

Drakef wrote:

Which is more important for what? I would define that before coming to a conclusion, as well as what practical definitively means. Academia can be practical, and many scholars are as practical as any other person- In which case, an argument between academia and practicality makes little sense. If we take the assumption that some here have held, that it is academic scholars versus tradesmen and the less educated (a traditional argument), then the idea is that these methods of learning are entirely different for a point. There are careers that are meant for each, and neither is more important.

To assume that university is a waste of time and money, simply from hearsay and stories is completely wrong. As someone could speak conversely of another individual who didn't go to university, it denies that universities are valuable in producing many talented and brilliant individuals, who seem to have been stereotyped as clueless at anything else without any real necessity.

Yet, again I would define what is important, and define practicality. Is it as some have assumed, in debating the uses of people in different career paths? Until then, I cannot make an argument for either side.
Your assumption that anyone is saying any of those things is unfounded.

Academic: Experience on a given subject solely from a text/lab environment.

Practical: Experience on a given subject from real-world activities.

There are clearly aspects of both in either scenario, but the weight of experience lies with one or the other.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7117|Tampa Bay Florida

SEREMAKER wrote:

practical ............ you can be the smartest person in the world but if you can't cross the street then what fucking good are you
KylieTastic
Games, Girls, Guinness
+85|6879|Cambridge, UK

Neither, you need a good balance of both.

If you have loads of either with nout much of the other your still a plank
Morpheus
This shit still going?
+508|6426|The Mitten
The deadliest thing in the Arny is a 2nd Lt with a compass.....

Anyway, it's a mixture of both- enough academic smarts to go through the easy stuff, and practical knowledge to help you think outside the box.
EE (hats
ReTox
Member
+100|6926|State of RETOXification
Practical... too easy.

I've been working professionally in my trade for well over a decade and I dropped out of college because I wasn't learning anything.  I started messing with computers when I was 9 years old (I'm 35 now) and there isn't much I haven't done in those 26 years.  My grade 12 computer education exam netted me a 103 average for the year (I love bonus work) and I ended up helping to teach the course the next term.  That was all because of prior experience.

It's the difference from "oh yeah, I've seen that so many times before and here's how to fix it" and "OK, lets look it up in the manuals...".
Drakef
Cheeseburger Logicist
+117|6789|Vancouver

FEOS wrote:

Drakef wrote:

Which is more important for what? I would define that before coming to a conclusion, as well as what practical definitively means. Academia can be practical, and many scholars are as practical as any other person- In which case, an argument between academia and practicality makes little sense. If we take the assumption that some here have held, that it is academic scholars versus tradesmen and the less educated (a traditional argument), then the idea is that these methods of learning are entirely different for a point. There are careers that are meant for each, and neither is more important.

To assume that university is a waste of time and money, simply from hearsay and stories is completely wrong. As someone could speak conversely of another individual who didn't go to university, it denies that universities are valuable in producing many talented and brilliant individuals, who seem to have been stereotyped as clueless at anything else without any real necessity.

Yet, again I would define what is important, and define practicality. Is it as some have assumed, in debating the uses of people in different career paths? Until then, I cannot make an argument for either side.
Your assumption that anyone is saying any of those things is unfounded.

Academic: Experience on a given subject solely from a text/lab environment.

Practical: Experience on a given subject from real-world activities.

There are clearly aspects of both in either scenario, but the weight of experience lies with one or the other.
I don't believe my assumption is unfounded at all.

Is it necessarily academic, in your first definition? I would use 'theoretical' as a more accurate word. Like I said, academia can be practical.
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6918|Northern California
If we're talking about employment preferences, it's obvious that most realistic employers want job experience over a fresh graduate any day of the week.  However, some jobs will require the tailored education to be hired..but still, if there's someone with the right degree/education AND the experience, the employer would take the experienced one over the fresh graduate.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7184|Argentina
Both.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7117|Tampa Bay Florida
Academic experience means you got good grades.  Doesn't mean someone without it doesn't know as much.  Is that right? 

You can get academic experience THROUGH practical experience.. but not the vice versa.
Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|7149|Eastern PA
In many advanced programs significant practical experience is included in the curriculum (eg. moot court, practicum, field research, residency, etc.). It's not strictly zero-sum anymore.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6838|'Murka

Drakef wrote:

I don't believe my assumption is unfounded at all.
Of course you don't...it's your assumption.

Drakef wrote:

Is it necessarily academic, in your first definition? I would use 'theoretical' as a more accurate word. Like I said, academia can be practical.
Theoretical is as good a word as any.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Drakef
Cheeseburger Logicist
+117|6789|Vancouver

FEOS wrote:

Drakef wrote:

I don't believe my assumption is unfounded at all.
Of course you don't...it's your assumption.
Could you provide any source as to why my assumption is wrong?

FEOS wrote:

Drakef wrote:

Is it necessarily academic, in your first definition? I would use 'theoretical' as a more accurate word. Like I said, academia can be practical.
Theoretical is as good a word as any.
I choose the word 'theoretical' to avoid any possible anti-intellectualism that could follow in this argument.

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