unnamednewbie13 wrote:
I'd use it to pay taxes.
Perfect!!!
Perfect!!!
Already bought one last year, so I would put the money back into savings to start replacing what I spent. This is what I bought in 7mm Mag.Stingray24 wrote:
I'll probably end up doing the same, but if you could just spend the $1,800 what would you choose? Doesn't have to be from my selections above if you prefer another fine weapon.
http://www.weatherby.com/products/guns. … GX300NR4O#
And then I mated it to this scope.
http://www.leupold.com/hunting-and-shoo … m-adj-obj/
Paying bills. But in my dreamworld where my CFO is unaware of the $2100 we'll be getting...I'd be picking up the new Noveske n4 upper for $1200, then get a nice stag lower and lmt lower parts kit and bullet button (to be CA legal), and the rest..$300 ish, I'd probably get in .223 and 5.56 ammo cuz I'll be pushing that barrel..or maybe I should use that $300 and pay another $300 to put an eotech on there... There's NEVER enough money...
Noveske's new N4 light Reece.
Orrrrr...
I could just get a nice GSG-5 and a few bricks of .22lr for $600ish...and then I could get a nice springer 1911 MilSpec for another $700ish, and of course build out a nice "m4gery" from Spikes for $1100ish..but I'd be over...so, $800 towards a used AR!
Noveske's new N4 light Reece.
Orrrrr...
I could just get a nice GSG-5 and a few bricks of .22lr for $600ish...and then I could get a nice springer 1911 MilSpec for another $700ish, and of course build out a nice "m4gery" from Spikes for $1100ish..but I'd be over...so, $800 towards a used AR!
I'm not getting anything...but if you are over the limit:
I have a guy who's getting $6k back who usually gets about $500...just because of this change.
Another - $3k when usually owes.
Ps. These people are loaded.
So even if you don't get a rebate, the tax breaks are incredible.
I haven't done my return yet...
I have a guy who's getting $6k back who usually gets about $500...just because of this change.
Another - $3k when usually owes.
Ps. These people are loaded.
So even if you don't get a rebate, the tax breaks are incredible.
I haven't done my return yet...
Last edited by Pug (2008-03-12 09:28:52)
My whimpy return was $3800..we were hoping for about $6k. So with the "stimulus" check, it'll come to just shy of that mark. And we'll almost be debt free!! WOOTCAKES! And of course the economy will soar when everyone else gets their checks, pays some of their debt off or buys guns... lol It'll soar like it did last time he tried paying for some higher poll numbers! But hey, what do you expect with a whimpy $400 check?? that'll only get you a good 3% poll return.
I always thought it was great to get a refund...until I realized it was my own money. So it's a happy/sad moment for me.IRONCHEF wrote:
My whimpy return was $3800..we were hoping for about $6k. So with the "stimulus" check, it'll come to just shy of that mark. And we'll almost be debt free!! WOOTCAKES! And of course the economy will soar when everyone else gets their checks, pays some of their debt off or buys guns... lol It'll soar like it did last time he tried paying for some higher poll numbers! But hey, what do you expect with a whimpy $400 check?? that'll only get you a good 3% poll return.
Very good taste, Agent. That’s a sweet rifle.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Already bought one last year, so I would put the money back into savings to start replacing what I spent. This is what I bought in 7mm Mag.Stingray24 wrote:
I'll probably end up doing the same, but if you could just spend the $1,800 what would you choose? Doesn't have to be from my selections above if you prefer another fine weapon.
http://www.weatherby.com/products/guns. … GX300NR4O#
And then I mated it to this scope.
http://www.leupold.com/hunting-and-shoo … m-adj-obj/
All good options. Didn’t know they made things like the GSG-5. That’d be fun.IRONCHEF wrote:
Paying bills. But in my dreamworld where my CFO is unaware of the $2100 we'll be getting...I'd be picking up the new Noveske n4 upper for $1200, then get a nice stag lower and lmt lower parts kit and bullet button (to be CA legal), and the rest..$300 ish, I'd probably get in .223 and 5.56 ammo cuz I'll be pushing that barrel..or maybe I should use that $300 and pay another $300 to put an eotech on there... There's NEVER enough money...
Noveske's new N4 light Reece.
Orrrrr...
I could just get a nice GSG-5 and a few bricks of .22lr for $600ish...and then I could get a nice springer 1911 MilSpec for another $700ish, and of course build out a nice "m4gery" from Spikes for $1100ish..but I'd be over...so, $800 towards a used AR!
If our government wanted to stimulate the economy:topal63 wrote:
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
I'd use it to pay taxes.
Perfect!!!
1) Cut back on taxes.
2) People would work harder, knowing they'd get to keep more, and thus earn more.
3) As an added bonus, there'd be more to tax from.
Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-03-12 09:49:37)
Very simplistic view of the world. The problem with America is that Americans have been spending beyond their means for far too long. The prudent approach to tackling the problem would be to allow a period of austerity to correct the matter - not fuel it by incentivising spending and further fuelling inflation. Time to let free market economics work. Your measure is for an entirely different set of circumstances.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
If our government wanted to stimulate the economy:
1) Cut back on taxes.
2) People would work harder, knowing they'd get to keep more, and thus earn more.
3) As an added bonus, there'd be more to tax from.
Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-03-12 09:52:54)
China is still too poor to buy expensive Western goods. However, we are all to willing to buy their cheap lead based, Heparin jacked up products.
(The basic reason behind the trade imbalance)
The solution for Americans is to buy American, and become a nation that produces the basic stuff for itself. We went through this with Japan also.
Edit: But yea, everytime the Government just hands money over unrestricted they exacerbate the problem. There are no guarantees that the money will go to support our economy. When the government helps out business (the people who actually employ our nation) everyone gets in an uproar and claims tax cuts for corporations are just unfair. So long as we keep making it difficult for companies to operate in the US the more corporations will simply move overseas.
(The basic reason behind the trade imbalance)
The solution for Americans is to buy American, and become a nation that produces the basic stuff for itself. We went through this with Japan also.
Edit: But yea, everytime the Government just hands money over unrestricted they exacerbate the problem. There are no guarantees that the money will go to support our economy. When the government helps out business (the people who actually employ our nation) everyone gets in an uproar and claims tax cuts for corporations are just unfair. So long as we keep making it difficult for companies to operate in the US the more corporations will simply move overseas.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
wtf losing to france! /wrists
I saw plenty of ipod listening, Gucci sunglasses types while I was in Beijing.Kmarion wrote:
China is still too poor to buy expensive Western goods. However, we are all to willing to buy their cheap lead based, Heparin jacked up products.
(The basic reason behind the trade imbalance)
The solution for Americans is to buy American, and become a nation that produces the basic stuff for itself. We went through this with Japan also.
Edit: But yea, everytime the Government just hands money over unrestricted they exacerbate the problem. There are no guarantees that the money will go to support our economy. When the government helps out business (the people who actually employ our nation) everyone gets in an uproar and claims tax cuts for corporations are just unfair. So long as we keep making it difficult for companies to operate in the US the more corporations will simply move overseas.
That's a bit of a generalization. I don't spend beyond my means because I know that a myriad of tax agencies will be knocking on my door for an enormous slice of the pie (I know that the US isn't alone in the matter of high taxes, but it doesn't make it any less aggravating).CameronPoe wrote:
Very simplistic view of the world. The problem with America is that Americans have been spending beyond their means for far too long. The prudent approach to tackling the problem would be to allow a period of austerity to correct the matter - not fuel it by incentivising spending and further fuelling inflation. Time to let free market economics work. Your measure is for an entirely different set of circumstances.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
If our government wanted to stimulate the economy:
1) Cut back on taxes.
2) People would work harder, knowing they'd get to keep more, and thus earn more.
3) As an added bonus, there'd be more to tax from.
The incentive reminds me of a gradeschool bully giving quarters back to victims in the hopes that it will encourage them to buy bubblegum...which can be later 'taxed.' I don't support it. Taxes here are whacky. For a business and individual, you have federal and state income, FICA, then local and state sales tax. Of course not all states are the same, but once all's said and done, over half of peoples' earnings (depending on where they live) are going to the government to among important things, fund garden islands in the middle of highways or roundabout intersections or to military programs that get canceled after years of development...or to pay the wages of senators who don't do their jobs because they're too busy campaigning for another.
I don't have a problem with contributing dollars towards the benefit of the nation, but a good deal of those given are not, in my opinion, wisely spent. If I got to keep more, you can bet that a good deal would go into various investments and savings that may have otherwise funded a Soviet-throwback statue of a cluster of faceless automatons standing around a giant brown globe in the aesthetically-bipolar city hall that is Lakewood's.
You may call that view 'very simplistic' (teetering towards argumentum ad hominem), but I call reining in your lifestyle (ahem...engaging in a period of austerity) just so you can afford support a government's obtrusiveness silly.
But, as always, life goes on...
Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-03-12 10:40:27)
Yes I'm sure you did.. shit I even saw that stuff in the touristy areas of Mexico. I'm not so naive to think that those hot spots are representative of the entire country though. I doubt you are neither.CameronPoe wrote:
I saw plenty of ipod listening, Gucci sunglasses types while I was in Beijing.Kmarion wrote:
China is still too poor to buy expensive Western goods. However, we are all to willing to buy their cheap lead based, Heparin jacked up products.
(The basic reason behind the trade imbalance)
The solution for Americans is to buy American, and become a nation that produces the basic stuff for itself. We went through this with Japan also.
Edit: But yea, everytime the Government just hands money over unrestricted they exacerbate the problem. There are no guarantees that the money will go to support our economy. When the government helps out business (the people who actually employ our nation) everyone gets in an uproar and claims tax cuts for corporations are just unfair. So long as we keep making it difficult for companies to operate in the US the more corporations will simply move overseas.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Word. Stupid, greedy people with game show mentality ("Deal or No Deal" anyone?) who suck down VISA commercials as their doctrine..."receive now, pay..never!!"CameronPoe wrote:
Very simplistic view of the world. The problem with America is that Americans have been spending beyond their means for far too long. The prudent approach to tackling the problem would be to allow a period of austerity to correct the matter - not fuel it by incentivising spending and further fuelling inflation. Time to let free market economics work. Your measure is for an entirely different set of circumstances.
Also a generalization.IRONCHEF wrote:
Word. Stupid, greedy people with game show mentality ("Deal or No Deal" anyone?) who suck down VISA commercials as their doctrine..."receive now, pay..never!!"CameronPoe wrote:
Very simplistic view of the world. The problem with America is that Americans have been spending beyond their means for far too long. The prudent approach to tackling the problem would be to allow a period of austerity to correct the matter - not fuel it by incentivising spending and further fuelling inflation. Time to let free market economics work. Your measure is for an entirely different set of circumstances.
So the everage American doesn't have something like $20k in debt as was reported on a documentary I watched a year ago or so? Are you saying generalizations are wrong or something? I don't get your point.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Also a generalization.IRONCHEF wrote:
Word. Stupid, greedy people with game show mentality ("Deal or No Deal" anyone?) who suck down VISA commercials as their doctrine..."receive now, pay..never!!"CameronPoe wrote:
Very simplistic view of the world. The problem with America is that Americans have been spending beyond their means for far too long. The prudent approach to tackling the problem would be to allow a period of austerity to correct the matter - not fuel it by incentivising spending and further fuelling inflation. Time to let free market economics work. Your measure is for an entirely different set of circumstances.
The debt might be correct, but I don't think that people expect to not pay it back.
That's the plan jack to create money through credit and thence circulate it and thus issue more credit; spend; etc... rinse and repeat as often as possible. It's the plan. The US/credit/economic money balloon plan. It's the current state of American economics (and has been for quite a long time). Our economy has devolved (shifted away slowly but surely) from its past strengths of being based on these industries (but not limited to): steel, technology, academic brain-trust, cars, products & production, machinery, exporting ... and so on.CameronPoe wrote:
Very simplistic view of the world. The problem with America is that Americans have been spending beyond their means for far too long. The prudent approach to tackling the problem would be to allow a period of austerity to correct the matter - not fuel it by incentivising spending and further fuelling inflation. Time to let free market economics work. Your measure is for an entirely different set of circumstances.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
If our government wanted to stimulate the economy:
1) Cut back on taxes.
2) People would work harder, knowing they'd get to keep more, and thus earn more.
3) As an added bonus, there'd be more to tax from.
Naked unchecked capitalism and the so-called free-market is anything but free and often appeals to lowest common denominator in humans. Need that product to cost less? Move its production facilities overseas. Or, maybe you can dump production altogether close the factory and simply import a foreign made product. Market cost lowered, consumer prices lowered. Free? No... the cost is jobs, lost of strategic industry that is vital to a Nation's self-interests and worse loss of actual work being done (actual production/wealth is not created in-country). Shift the basic-economy to consumption & consumerism through credit/money creation and see how long it can last... and that's what we got (here in America).
There is a reason why the US dollar is tanking and there is a reason why our economy is so sensitive to credit, loans and interests rates. It's how the money supply is maintained. It's how the keep the balloon floating. Tightening credit doesn’t just mean less economic activity it also means a contraction in the actual money supply. Fewer blips on a bank’s computer screen actually mean less money. Not just in circulation - but also actually less money (less available period).
There are at least two solutions:
a.) Continue as usual and increase credit and thus inflate the money supply. Get money circulating more robustly through money creation via credit.
b.) Get back to the basics and create wealth by work through industry then slowly increase the money supply based upon the production (output). Option-b = highly unlikely.
Cutting taxes will not stimulate the economy. The amount of money created/credit issued that needs to be made to re-inflate the balloon simply will not happen, The balloon has to shrink more until people simply get used to tighter credit and less consumer activity - then when can start to re-inflate the balloon (or do the prudent thing and address industrial/technological production here in the US. Base industry and production policy is a non-issue; or rather no single politician IMO has addressed or currently knows how to address this domestic policy. So by default all thinking must/will involve; revolve around; option-a).
Stimulus schmimulus cumulus nimbus. That's what I think of this rebate plan.
Last edited by topal63 (2008-03-12 11:31:46)
Oh, people "plan" and "hope" to pay it back...or so it seems by all the fools who refinance their mortgages to pay for new cars, plasmas, toys, etc...and a small % towards their debts..maybe. I think the generalization that "most Americans" are careless spenders is very accurate. We are violence and consumption minded people..if it were not so, our entire television system would be devoid of...everything it does. I cringe sometimes when I watch the news and see a horrible report of lost life and tragedy followed up by some viagra commercials or happy swirling shoppers all dutifully using their VISA cards.Stingray24 wrote:
The debt might be correct, but I don't think that people expect to not pay it back.
Very well, if lowering taxes won't help people out, then let's just raise them to 90%. For starters. The government can decide what to do with our earnings, but we can at least keep the change.
Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-03-12 14:02:15)
amen to that.Kmarion wrote:
Yes I'm sure you did.. shit I even saw that stuff in the touristy areas of Mexico. I'm not so naive to think that those hot spots are representative of the entire country though. I doubt you are neither.CameronPoe wrote:
I saw plenty of ipod listening, Gucci sunglasses types while I was in Beijing.Kmarion wrote:
China is still too poor to buy expensive Western goods. However, we are all to willing to buy their cheap lead based, Heparin jacked up products.
(The basic reason behind the trade imbalance)
The solution for Americans is to buy American, and become a nation that produces the basic stuff for itself. We went through this with Japan also.
Edit: But yea, everytime the Government just hands money over unrestricted they exacerbate the problem. There are no guarantees that the money will go to support our economy. When the government helps out business (the people who actually employ our nation) everyone gets in an uproar and claims tax cuts for corporations are just unfair. So long as we keep making it difficult for companies to operate in the US the more corporations will simply move overseas.
while they were listening to their IPODS and sporting overpriced eye wear, 70% of their countrymen dont even have running water and electricity.
im supposed to fear these people, and the majority of them shit in the woods?
lol