BF2S Forums Overpopulation babble.

I agree.
Younger, naive me would have disagreed... this is the me from 3 years ago...
But now, I agree...

How do you get negative zero growth?

Why can the world population grow to such incredible numbers?  Oil and screwing with natural cycles to produce more food.  We've gone from 1.5 billion to almost 7 billion people in 100 years because of medical advances, oil, and agricultural advances.  Once we can't fuel the machines that farm  and more produce, cities like New York.. how are you going to feed that many people?  That's why I'm worried about overpopulation.  Plus, people bitch about the price of oil.  Everything gets more expensive when you have more people competing for the same or even less of a product.. what do you expect.

It's only a matter of time before the fertile soils that have allowed us to prosper become depraved of nutrients and cannot produce like they used to.  We use fertilizers to correct this, but that messes up our streams.  I'm not saying kill anyone, I'm saying there's no need to boost the population when we're headed for (what looks like) really tough times.

Can the OP explain the map a little better? It says the colors correspond to percent of population growth, but the map does not specify per which unit of time.

I don't think medical progress is as fundamental to human growth as agricultural advances and an enlightened society.  By enlightened I mean highly literate, educated, socially aware, stuff like that.  Those are key combatants to Malthusian theory.

Policies for population control are draconian and unneeded (IMO).

chittydog wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

How do you get negative zero growth?

People don't settle down or have kids. Sometimes there's a gender imbalance (men killed in wars or some dumbass policy like China's). Singaporeans supposedly work so much they don't have time for kids. The gov't is allowing more nudity & porn to try to "spark" the population growth. Apparently Russia is so short on good men they have a program now where they're trying to import Indian men. Women marrying Indians can get a $10K grant from the government. The Indian guys I work with are all excited about it, but are too afraid of upsetting their parents to marry outside of their race.

I think he's pointing out the fact that you can't have negative zero.  It should be <0.

djphetal wrote:

haffeysucks wrote:

chittydog wrote:

People don't settle down or have kids. Sometimes there's a gender imbalance (men killed in wars or some dumbass policy like China's). Singaporeans supposedly work so much they don't have time for kids. The gov't is allowing more nudity & porn to try to "spark" the population growth. Apparently Russia is so short on good men they have a program now where they're trying to import Indian men. Women marrying Indians can get a $10K grant from the government. The Indian guys I work with are all excited about it, but are too afraid of upsetting their parents to marry outside of their race.

I think he's pointing out the fact that you can't have negative zero.  It should be <0.

No, -0 makes sense.

Say, if the population is 100,000 one year, then it's 98,000 the next, the growth will be less than 0%. Thus, you can have a growth below 0 percent.

Less than zero is expressed as <0. -0 is minus zero, which is the same as just zero.

sexecuti0ner wrote:

I agree.  Birth control and abortion are products of medical advancement, think how much larger the population would be without them.

birth control ftw

Okay, I think a lot of people have missed the point.

The explosion in population is NOT coming from the developed nations. The nations with with high life expectancy, near-zero infant mortality and good medical care have very slowly expanding, flat or even declining populations.

Compare that to the, to be blunt, shitholes of the world. They are experiencing a massive rise in population. If you actually looked at the demographic transition model you should see that this is exactly what is expected in developing, Stage-2 nations. Thus, any points about abortions, birth control etc. etc. are pointless because we are dealing with developing countries.

The best way to stablize population growth in this countries is to get them out of Stage 2 and into Stage 3 and finally Stage 4. The only way to do that is for them to develop. Lots.

Get the picture now?

madmurre wrote:

Spark wrote:

Okay, I think a lot of people have missed the point.

The explosion in population is NOT coming from the developed nations. The nations with with high life expectancy, near-zero infant mortality and good medical care have very slowly expanding, flat or even declining populations.

Compare that to the, to be blunt, shitholes of the world. They are experiencing a massive rise in population. If you actually looked at the demographic transition model you should see that this is exactly what is expected in developing, Stage-2 nations. Thus, any points about abortions, birth control etc. etc. are pointless because we are dealing with developing countries.

The best way to stablize population growth in this countries is to get them out of Stage 2 and into Stage 3 and finally Stage 4. The only way to do that is for them to develop. Lots.

Get the picture now?

The thing is they there aint any room for them in our luxury we don´t nore won´t we allow them to catch up thus they are stuck in the shitholes producing children with no future. That´s quite an Utopia thinking they will just catch up and become just like us all we do for em is exploiting them and pointing some fingers when they can´t be civilized as we are.

Exactly, and once industrializng nations like china and india catch up... well, you think prices are high now? Hah.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Islamic countries must not believe in condoms.  And the Catholics get the bad name.

90% of your posts are designed to denigrate Islam in some way.

Mitch wrote:

The people who say "No more medical advances because we need to stop overpopulation" will quickly change what they preach when all of the sudden they are diagnosed with an untreatable disease.

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