BF2S Forums Do you think Hillary and McCain are in back pockets of the Ultra Rich?

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Why did you limit yourself to just those two?

Just name every single politician who's running for any national-level office. If you don't think Obama's backers are ultra-rich as well, you are seriously deluded.

Its more a question of "Degree of whoredom?" rather than "Whore?  Yes/No"...

Obama, Barack
% from Donors of $200 or less - 34%
% from Donors of $2,300+       - 37%
% from Donors of $4,600         - 7%

Clinton, Hillary
% from Donors of $200 or less - 16%
% from Donors of $2,300+       - 60%
% from Donors of $4,600         - 30%

McCain, John
% from Donors of $200 or less - 24%
% from Donors of $2,300+       - 44%
% from Donors of $4,600         - 9%


Looks like by a pure stats comparison (which we all love on this site), Obama wins the "least whoreish political candidate award", unless you consider him whoring himself to the po' folk.  Clinton seems to have the "industry that doesn't give a shit" donors as well as the "stereotyped 'rich liberal'" vote wrapped up.  McCain is just your typical Repug stooge with the requisite donor base.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/donor … p;sortby=S

Obama - More "people-powered" than "corporate whore" Democrat.
Clinton - More "corporate whore" than "loved by the masses" Democrat.
McCain - Only Repug, mix of corporate interest donors and redneck gun-toting bible thumpers (or combination thereof).

But as I said, degree of whoredom, not "whore?  Yes/No".  All of them are shades of gray, some darker than others (ironically).

FEOS wrote:

I agree...shades of gray, but your bias is showing.

Bias?  Bias!?!  I'm always as "fair and balanced" as the next guy.  How outrageous of you to think that I would show my own personal opinion on a debate thread?

Look man, I just put up the stats, which are fact, and then supplemented them with a little editorial interpretation which shouldn't be taken too seriously.  If you can't parse the opinion from the facts, well, you must be a conservative

I wish I had 5 million dollars to loan myself. with interest.

Braddock wrote:

Diesel_dyk wrote:

Does it really matter anyway because whoever is president will only get 4 short years which are going to be the worst economic years in United States history. Then the other party will get back in.

You have the beginnings of a good conspiracy theory there. The Republicans know they're going to get thumped in the election because of the Iraq debacle so in order to have only 4 years to wait for another shot in office, instead of 8, they hand over to the Democrats an economy that has been run into the ground and will ultimately be blamed on the Democrats because they will be the incumbent Government during the recession!

Yes. Political parties have done this in the past. Mostly its conservative parties trying to prevent future spending on social programs. As a general rule no past government can tie the hands of a future government because a law can be simply changed. However, you can tie the hands of a future government by wrecking the economy.

Conservative government have done this in the past where they do not want new social programs created, like universal healthcare, well they spent like crazy wreck the economy and when the other party gets in they find that they can't afford the pay for all the promises that they made during the election. The people get mad at the party now in power for breaking promises, plus the economy is in shambles and they get blamed for that and the end result is a quick 4 years in office. Business interests help in this process by withdrawing new investment or retracting the market during these times to insure that the party does not get a second term.

However, what we see today is a much more severe economic collapse than anything since 1929... I think that the Federal Reserve is going to prop up the economy until after the election and then we will see large interest rate increases, retraction of the money supply and a total economic collapse. Which is why I think that both Hillary and McCain are in the pockets of the ultra rich. I think Hilary will grenade the democratic party to prevent the possibility of Obama led investigations into this economic collapse...


Watch!!!  if Obama gets the nomination the money from the rich for McCain will jump... right now Hillary is their man

Last edited by Diesel_dyk (2008-03-18 10:36:09)

*sigh*

So what, let's ban all donations, and we'll see how f*cking interesting elections become...