ATG
Banned
+5,233|6956|Global Command
No.
He will offer nothing but the status quo. Whatever Obamas faults he offers the prospect of real change. Change that may speed up the ruin of America, but perhaps it's gotten so bad it must be ruined in order to be fixed. More of the same policies equals national death.
That will be the George Bush legacy; a sttempted murder of The United States.
Our task for this year is to make sure that each citizen is informed of the government’s plans for a North American Union (NAU), as well as secret immigration decisions that were made at Waco, Texas, which could account for the president’s questionable decisions on immigration and border problems.



The current recession is unlike any other in the past century. The American dollar used to be the de facto reserve currency of the world and the preferred global medium of exchange.

That has changed. Nations, companies, and individual investors are abandoning the dollar for the euro and other currencies.

We have lost the manufacturing base that enabled us to produce our way out of past recessions. We have gone from being the breadbasket of the world to being a net importer of food.

The predicted “cakewalk” in Iraq and Afghanistan has evolved into ever-expanding conflicts with constantly shifting objectives.

The original objectives of eliminating Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein have developed into a grandiose plan to transform the Middle East — to force democracy on Islamic countries at the point of a gun.

The Bush administration, with a bipartisan cooperation in Congress, has boosted spending from an already obscene $1.86 trillion annually to over $2 trillion in a single year, 2001 to 2002, and a predicted $3 trillion for 2008.
In addition to 160,000 troops deployed in Iraq and another 26,000 in Afghanistan, we have more than 100,000 American troops stationed throughout the world including Germany, 59,000; Italy 10,000; England 10,000; Japan, 33,000; and South Korea, 27,000.

On top of this, we have an empire of more than 700 foreign bases in 130 countries.

with help from this source.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7101|Canberra, AUS
Stop it. You're confusing me.

But, yeah. I reckon you're on the money near eonugh.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6956|Global Command

Spark wrote:

Stop it. You're confusing me.

But, yeah. I reckon you're on the money near eonugh.
I know. messed up, isn't it.

Obama for President.

https://i27.tinypic.com/20gdzeo.jpg

Last edited by ATG (2008-03-21 19:05:09)

nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6750|New Haven, CT
We really need to go back to US of 1910-1920, minus the stupid laws and social inequality.

Edit: And poor technology.

Last edited by nukchebi0 (2008-03-21 18:58:43)

G3|Genius
Pope of BF2s
+355|7053|Sea to globally-cooled sea
Obama?  Change?  he's spoken so little about the change he's going to bring, that for all I know, he plans on building more mints and introducing a 2-cent piece.

that guy's SO DIRTY.  You'll see, in the general election...he's got almost as many skeletons in his closet as hillary.  Certainly more than she did at his age.

McCain is not my first choice, but Obama wants to take my money and give it to you, and, nothing personal, but I'd rather have it than you.
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6750|New Haven, CT
Edit: We need political reform.

And disenfranchisement of 50% of the voting population.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7101|Canberra, AUS
All I can say that your system needs a little work. Too much accumulated junk.

A constitutional crisis would be in the works methinks. God knows we needed the 1975 one.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6917|Northern California
Wow, and I get railed on as "Mr. Negative" when I rip on our country's problems! lol

+1 ATG, well said.  McCain is truly "Third Term Bush."
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6956|Global Command
I lost $75,159 in equity in the last year.
Gas is up, metals are up and people are selling services cheap because things are desperate further driving down the selling price for goods and services. Massive tax hikes are coming down the pike.
Good times.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6872|The Land of Scott Walker
Obama and Hillary want my guns ... nuf said far as I'm concerned.
B00MH3ADSH0T
Fresh NoobCaeks Here
+118|6817|Penrith,Nsw, Aus
mcain the rains are commin
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6956|Global Command

Stingray24 wrote:

Obama and Hillary want my guns ... nuf said far as I'm concerned.
If the government wants your guns they will try and take your guns despite who the president is; he is rumored to be just a spokesmen for the shadowy group that actually runs things anyway.
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7111|United States of America
ATG, you're sounding more and more like my granddad these days. NAU, Waco conspiracy, backdoor shenanigans, and wel...he says it's about communists but the spirit of it all is the same.
{M5}Sniper3
Typical white person.
+389|7186|San Antonio, Texas
I think that Obama's and Hillary's socialistic policies would drive the economy even further into the ground.


ATG wrote:

We have gone from being the breadbasket of the world to being a net importer of food.
Ethanol?

To steal a word from Stephen King and your sig. Our economy is https://forums.bf2s.com/img/avatars/19493.jpg.



Over-all, we need to cut the fat of the government programs... Ron Paul for president.

Last edited by {M5}Sniper3 (2008-03-21 21:43:05)

topthrill05
Member
+125|7004|Rochester NY USA

ATG wrote:

Spark wrote:

Stop it. You're confusing me.

But, yeah. I reckon you're on the money near eonugh.
I know. messed up, isn't it.

Obama for President.

http://i27.tinypic.com/20gdzeo.jpg
What are you attempting to prove with that picture?
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7101|Canberra, AUS

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

I think that Obama's and Hillary's socialistic policies would drive the economy even further into the ground.


ATG wrote:

We have gone from being the breadbasket of the world to being a net importer of food.
Ethanol?

To steal a word from Stephen King and your sig. Our economy is http://forums.bf2s.com/img/avatars/19493.jpg.



Over-all, we need to cut the fat of the government programs... Ron Paul for president.
Wai-wai-wait.

You're saying the economy was taken by wolves, had part of its brain removed and now is dying?

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|7149|Eastern PA

topthrill05 wrote:

ATG wrote:

Spark wrote:

Stop it. You're confusing me.

But, yeah. I reckon you're on the money near eonugh.
I know. messed up, isn't it.

Obama for President.

http://i27.tinypic.com/20gdzeo.jpg
What are you attempting to prove with that picture?
That Obama is indeed Black. Hillary has a vagina. And McCain is old.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7116|Tampa Bay Florida
ATG, you playin Devils advocate?  You serious?!!?! LOL
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7143
McCain... at least he's honest.... we will survive... we always do... it usually takes us having to have our backs up against the wall...
I'm proud to be an American and i'm betting that there are more than a few like me...
Love is the answer
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7027|132 and Bush

All it takes is a 117.86 KB jpg to pretend u know what's best for the country?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Lai
Member
+186|6578

nukchebi0 wrote:

We really need to go back to US of 1910-1920, minus the stupid laws and social inequality.

Edit: And poor technology.
Let's tuck all our women in long gay dresses:

/me starts dancing the charleston
JahManRed
wank
+646|7055|IRELAND

America needs to forgo her empire aspersions and concentrate on home issues like the economy and immigration.
What the fuck do you need 59 000 troops in Germany for anyway? The Germans have behaved well over the last 60 years, maybe they can be left alone?
I have always had a major problem with the US having so many military basses in so many countries. Its military strong arm tactics carry through into global politics and have a destabilising effect.
Think of the money the US tax payer would save if you pulled all your troops home and put some of them on your borders.............but then again the US wouldn't have the lever of an army on most countries back door.
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|7192|Cambridge (UK)
All I know about McCain is that he makes good chips.
oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6946|Πάϊ
Don't stick to the theatricals Kman. As for the op, well... I must say I'm amazed at the change you've undergone ATG. If anything it shows that you keep an open mind. Which is more than I can say about most of us. I just hope your opinion is not money-driven like G3's.

edit: btw on the up side, US exports are greatly favored by the "weak" dollar compared to the euro for instance.

Last edited by oug (2008-03-22 09:21:23)

ƒ³
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7070
ATG, the only reason you like Obama is because you think it will bring about the end of the United States government?  tell me if Im wrong here.

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