ATG
Banned
+5,233|6956|Global Command

topthrill05 wrote:

ATG wrote:

Spark wrote:

Stop it. You're confusing me.

But, yeah. I reckon you're on the money near eonugh.
I know. messed up, isn't it.

Obama for President.

http://i27.tinypic.com/20gdzeo.jpg
What are you attempting to prove with that picture?
Obama seems to have some basic issues with love of country.

I take him as a radical liberal BLACK activist. I do not believe for one second that a good part of Reverend Whites views expressed in his ' god damn America ' do not make up the core of Obamas beliefs.

Yet, he is a wild card. He talks of securing our borders. He doesn't seemed to be owned by the good ole boyz club.


Bottom line, continuation of the Bush polices will kill us. McCain is Bush 2 but rumored to be more hawkish.


If the war in the middle east was being fought with heavy bombers instead of foot patrols searching for IED's I'd reconsider, but the American consumer is getting screwed in the ass on everything from gas to social security to our home values, and largely the government is at fault.




I would rather risk something new  and radical in the hopes that something good may come, than be a parrot for the same failures that I know in my heart are killing America.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6956|Global Command

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

ATG, the only reason you like Obama is because you think it will bring about the end of the United States government?  tell me if Im wrong here.
I think the governments foundations are sacred. It's current manifestation is an abomination.

I would have loved to see Ron Paul get somewhere.


I think ( hope ) that America and Americans will survive what's going on. I see over two centuries of blood and sweat and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of good men like you being offered up for nothing in exchange. There is a real live push to create an North American Union. Some see it as an expansion of the U.S. borders, I see it as a surrender. A betrayal. I feel rage.


I also believe that those entrenched in power can only be displaced with conflict. Look at our choices in the upcoming election.

Bush has been profoundly dishonest. He is no conservative. He doubled spending while cutting taxes and anybody can see that is gauraanted ruination for the economy. It is ruined. The fixes they propose  now are to fix things they have broke and the solutions are only doing more damage.

The banks are federally insured, lol. With money we borrow from China and Arabs. They keep cutting interest rates to help the banks stay liquid which only creates inflation which is what kills the ma and pa economy.

The fat cats on wall street will be fine. I may lose my house and there doesn't seem to be a damn thing I can do about it but wait for the shit to blow over and spent ten years getting out of debt if I manage not to lose it.




There has to be limits to capitalism. The fact that capitalism seems to be driving our war machine is proof that there is a serious problem.



I am open to suggestions. Just don't say vote because the peoples involvement with the government, our ' choice ' is largely an illusion. Money controls everything.
The_Lance_117
CANADA STRONG
+110|6363|CANADA
Obama isn't perfect, but he's better than Hilary.
And imagine McCain's wife as the first lady...
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6832|North Carolina

ATG wrote:

Spark wrote:

Stop it. You're confusing me.

But, yeah. I reckon you're on the money near eonugh.
I know. messed up, isn't it.

Obama for President.

http://i27.tinypic.com/20gdzeo.jpg
I really don't understand your fixation with the positioning of hands during the anthem.  Granted,  I suppose you're probably like much of the general public in that respect.

...and while I agree with some of your OP, you used Newsmax.  C'mon man...
{M5}Sniper3
Typical white person.
+389|7186|San Antonio, Texas
https://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2008/03/2yr_tips_mar_08.png

Negative interest and the rising price of commodities because of the falling value of the dollar makes me really worried about this election.

https://bp3.blogger.com/_rWY3qGfe6gc/R9JSYvKREbI/AAAAAAAAAGs/cuwvWGSe8DA/s1600/Picture%2B3.png

The Fed needs to stop cutting interest rates now. The government needs to stop bailing people out of bad decisions on loans. Or else we will all suffer more greatly down the road.
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6996|Portland, OR, USA
He offers hope.

People cling to hope.

I haven't seen much on what he actually plans to do
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6832|North Carolina

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/200 … mar_08.png

Negative interest and the rising price of commodities because of the falling value of the dollar makes me really worried about this election.

http://bp3.blogger.com/_rWY3qGfe6gc/R9J … re%2B3.png

The Fed needs to stop cutting interest rates now. The government needs to stop bailing people out of bad decisions on loans. Or else we will all suffer more greatly down the road.
Pretty much.  Bailing out people isn't the way to fix this.  Decreasing government spending will help, but we need to leave Iraq in order to do that.
{M5}Sniper3
Typical white person.
+389|7186|San Antonio, Texas

Turquoise wrote:

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/200 … mar_08.png

Negative interest and the rising price of commodities because of the falling value of the dollar makes me really worried about this election.

http://bp3.blogger.com/_rWY3qGfe6gc/R9J … re%2B3.png

The Fed needs to stop cutting interest rates now. The government needs to stop bailing people out of bad decisions on loans. Or else we will all suffer more greatly down the road.
Pretty much.  Bailing out people isn't the way to fix this.  Decreasing government spending will help, but we need to leave Iraq in order to do that.
We are in a quagmire with Iraq. We can cut spending other ways like limited government.


This isn't helping either...
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6832|North Carolina

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/200 … mar_08.png

Negative interest and the rising price of commodities because of the falling value of the dollar makes me really worried about this election.

http://bp3.blogger.com/_rWY3qGfe6gc/R9J … re%2B3.png

The Fed needs to stop cutting interest rates now. The government needs to stop bailing people out of bad decisions on loans. Or else we will all suffer more greatly down the road.
Pretty much.  Bailing out people isn't the way to fix this.  Decreasing government spending will help, but we need to leave Iraq in order to do that.
We are in a quagmire with Iraq. We can cut spending other ways like limited government.


This isn't helping either...
Why not pull out of Iraq AND privatize Social Security?  That would be a great way to move toward truly smaller government.

Granted, I realize only the first part of that agenda would be pushed by Obama.  But I figure the Republicans may gain the Senate, which would increase the chances of privatizing SS.
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6610|Ireland

ATG wrote:

The original objectives of eliminating Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein have developed into a grandiose plan to transform the Middle East — to force democracy on Islamic countries at the point of a gun.

The Bush administration, with a bipartisan cooperation in Congress, has boosted spending from an already obscene $1.86 trillion annually to over $2 trillion in a single year, 2001 to 2002, and a predicted $3 trillion for 2008.
In addition to 160,000 troops deployed in Iraq and another 26,000 in Afghanistan, we have more than 100,000 American troops stationed throughout the world including Germany, 59,000; Italy 10,000; England 10,000; Japan, 33,000; and South Korea, 27,000.

On top of this, we have an empire of more than 700 foreign bases in 130 countries.

with help from this source.
Excellent Post and I would like to comment on a few things you just touched on.  The first thing is that the war in the Middle East was about many things and National Security was the foremost as you know.  Not only did GWB have to bring security to the region to protect the oil supply, but he also had to insure that the OPEC nations would not stop accepting the dollar for their oil and destroy the value of the American dollar. 

Two do this he not only had to get rid of Sadam but he had to keep a Military presence in the the Area to insure security of oil fields while at the same time controling the Iraqi government and thus bearing pressure on decisions they make concerning oil production and sales.  GWB decided obviously to do this through " Nation Rebuilding " in hopes to create an Oil producing Ally linked at the hip to the US for years to come.  Doing so has actually benifited the US greatly at a time when the US dollar was greatly at risk, but as you point out his strategy is also creating a situation that will result in the US most likely suffering a slow painful recession into a Canadian like existance in the Global economy and leadership.

Ron Paul had it right, but what he advocated would have screwed the American economy.  This is due to the Position that American leaders have gotten us into with their policies.  The American Dollar will fall, the rich know it and are preparing for it, and the whole world will feel the results of its demise as the rich protect their assets and power. 

I hear what you are saying and I don't know how realistic it is to have a leader come into power and say " The US is about to be F#ck'd, I am going to do things that will target helping the working America's weather the storm instead of enabling the Super Elite protect their wealth and status ".  Globalization is basically the term for " How will I protect my wealth and power when the US dollar collapses ( US dollar meaning the current system of manipulation by the Elite ". 

During WWI and WWII the US established its spot as world leader by projecting its strength into a conflict that left an area of the world shattered.  The US was islolated from the war and built up its ability to Manufacture ( create wealth ) while Europe destroyed its ability to Manufacture ( create wealth ) and this secured the US dollar as the world's currency which gave it huge economic leverage which the US has successfully used to keep it the wealthiest society on Earth.  The US is not going to be isolated during the worlds next struggle and infact is now a big target.  I really doubt another World War will help America come out on top after the next World recession.

The only thing I see giving America a chance at continued greatness is the creation of wealth through the development and control of advanced technologies and more specifically those concerning renewable energies and food production.  These will be the big deals as the world continues to overpopulate.

I don't see Obama as that man.  Perot I saw as that man, and he is the only one so that is who I will vote for in the general election.  It does not matter if he is alive or dead, but I will write his name in until I see a person that I can have faith in like I did him.

Sorry, I am at work and have typed this fast with interuptions so sorry grammar and incomplete thoughts.

Last edited by Lotta_Drool (2008-03-22 11:28:46)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7027|132 and Bush

oug wrote:

Don't stick to the theatricals Kman.
Pssht , that's exactly why the pictures are posted in the first place. It just plain silly.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Lai
Member
+186|6578

CommieChipmunk wrote:

He offers hope.

People cling to hope.

I haven't seen much on what he actually plans to do
Yes people certainly do,.. but what exactly is hope?

Isn't hope believing in something whilst knowing better? Fake? Empty words?



/popup image of H.G. Wells's artillery man
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6750|New Haven, CT

Lai wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

We really need to go back to US of 1910-1920, minus the stupid laws and social inequality.

Edit: And poor technology.
Let's tuck all our women in long gay dresses:

/me starts dancing the charleston
Good reading.

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