Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2008-03-23 19:43:50)
I'd like to see some proof for some of the allegations he makes.ATG wrote:
Not much to argue with now, is there?
/facepalm.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I'd like to see some proof for some of the allegations he makes.ATG wrote:
Not much to argue with now, is there?
Last edited by David.P (2008-03-23 20:10:26)
Why facepalm? he makes some serious alegations, I'd like to see some proof - for example the claim that the proposed mosque will be run "by extremists for extremists" - he may well be right, but I'd like to see the proof.David.P wrote:
/facepalm.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
I'd like to see some proof for some of the allegations he makes.ATG wrote:
Not much to argue with now, is there?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl … 011120.stmScorpion0x17 wrote:
I'd like to see some proof for some of the allegations he makes.ATG wrote:
Not much to argue with now, is there?
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It's that last one that I question - he claims that it will be "run by extremists for extremists" - where's the proof of that?{M5}Sniper3 wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl … 299037.stmScorpion0x17 wrote:
I'd like to see some proof for some of the allegations he makes.ATG wrote:
Not much to argue with now, is there?
Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2008-03-23 20:28:34)
Are you a Christian?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
if that jew worked at a place where pork is served, yes.
You wanted proof and there it is. Some of that speech is opinion though, you know, freedom of speech and all.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
It's that last one that I question - he claims that it will be "run by extremists for extremists" - where's the proof of that?{M5}Sniper3 wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl … 299037.stmScorpion0x17 wrote:
I'd like to see some proof for some of the allegations he makes.
All the other things - so what - we live in a free society - if they don't want to serve alcohol, and so on, fine.
If they wanted to work as a butcher, or any other meat-handling job, yes.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Would you force a Jew to handle pork?
If someone wanted to wear the Cross of St. Peter I'd sell it to them. It is a symbol of humility and unworthiness in comparison to Christ.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Are you a Christian?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
if that jew worked at a place where pork is served, yes.
If so, if you worked in a jewelers, would you be happy selling an inverted cross on a chain?
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if I were a christian that felt so strongly about a crucifix, I would choose to work at a place I knew I would be around such offending things. Good thing Im not christian. I dont see how the hell you defend tha., at all. He's a dentist.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Are you a Christian?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
if that jew worked at a place where pork is served, yes.
If so, if you worked in a jewelers, would you be happy selling an inverted cross on a chain?
motherdear wrote:
i don't know why but I just love this guy, most of all his episodes make sense.
Right on. And so is he. This is why I think that the most left of any nationality, is going to appease our freedom in to a few chapters in books. Yeah call the doctors Ive completely lost my mind... Sorry but my sarcasm is hiding the anger, in seeing this happen in the world. FFS it's our world either you fight for it or you lose. If you dont, you will not have any freedom to fight for. ~TeflonATG wrote:
Not much to argue with now, is there?
Freedom of speech is fine. But so is my asking for proof of his allegation that the planned mosque will be "run by extremists for extremists" - which none of the links you provided give.{M5}Sniper3 wrote:
You wanted proof and there it is. Some of that speech is opinion though, you know, freedom of speech and all.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
It's that last one that I question - he claims that it will be "run by extremists for extremists" - where's the proof of that?
All the other things - so what - we live in a free society - if they don't want to serve alcohol, and so on, fine.
Why? Should the Jewish not be allowed to have kosher butchers? Because "If they wanted to work as a butcher, or any other meat-handling job, [they should handle pork]"?{M5}Sniper3 wrote:
They won't touch alcohol, let alone serve it. They should get a job that doesn't handle/serve alcohol.If they wanted to work as a butcher, or any other meat-handling job, yes.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Would you force a Jew to handle pork?
As you know full well, I was referring to an inverted cross as a satanic symbol - so, would you sell them an inverted cross as a satanic symbol?{M5}Sniper3 wrote:
If someone wanted to wear the Cross of St. Peter I'd sell it to them. It is a symbol of humility and unworthiness in comparison to Christ.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Are you a Christian?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
if that jew worked at a place where pork is served, yes.
If so, if you worked in a jewelers, would you be happy selling an inverted cross on a chain?
Because we have the right to choose who we serve.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
if I were a christian that felt so strongly about a crucifix, I would choose to work at a place I knew I would be around such offending things. Good thing Im not christian. I dont see how the hell you defend tha., at all. He's a dentist.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Are you a Christian?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
if that jew worked at a place where pork is served, yes.
If so, if you worked in a jewelers, would you be happy selling an inverted cross on a chain?
Again. Fine. If they want to restrict their customer base, that's their decision.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
and that place will lose business.
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A dentist should give the same, hopefully high, standard of care to everyone he treats, sure, but that doesn't mean he should have to treat everyone.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
I think in a profession as important as a dentist, you should be able to have some kind of standard care. If he wanted to to work on patients that kept their faces covered, he should have opened up shop in a country where that kind of things is more accepted by the culture.
Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2008-03-23 21:24:21)
If they want to start their own business which doesn't not sell alcohol (or pork) all the luck to them. But if they are in the employee of someone else, then they are expected to do the job of what the owners want. If the employees don''t want to serve some item they are then doing less then what they were hired for.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
All the other things - so what - we live in a free society - if they don't want to serve alcohol, and so on, fine.
Would you force a Jew to handle pork?
Again, if you owned the jewellers then that's your prerogative, but if you are just an employee then you have no say in what you can and can not sell.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Are you a Christian?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
if that jew worked at a place where pork is served, yes.
If so, if you worked in a jewelers, would you be happy selling an inverted cross on a chain?
You did not have the "right, and the clearance from management, to refuse to serve anyone I chose to refuse to serve, for ANY reason." I'm sure when management comes to you at the end of the day and asks you why you didn't serve anyone for the entire day and you answer "because none of them were my mother" you would not have a job the following day. The company has the right to refuse service but the employees do not.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Because we have the right to choose who we serve.
I worked as a 'sales assistant' (till jockey) in a garage for a while - I had the right, and the clearance from management, to refuse to serve anyone I chose to refuse to serve, for ANY reason. That right should extend to everyone.
One of the things the guy in the video said that I do agree with is we're too damn PC in this country - so what if they refuse to serve you?
Fine. Go somewhere else.
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