the turtlenecked arrogance of the Macman...

2008-03-26 03:50:21

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unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,054|7044|PNW

I make it a habit to scan Newegg every now and then for new deals on stuff (I'm a big collector of stuff). So I see an Apple MacBook Pro sitting proudly on the front page. I'm easy, so I click on it to check out the specifications. 2GB DDR2-667, Core 2 Duo and an 8600M GT. Fair enough, right? Wrong...

From the comments:

...classic Apple perfection... [orly]

When your friends take out their honkin' Dell XPSs and the neon lights turn on and the machine sort of hums and powers up Windows XP, you can kind of smile a bit and pull out your inch-thin MacBook Pro and be confident that despite the subtle and extremely tasteful design, yours will outperform in each and every way.... [so...I take it that this machine will outperform a 45nm CPU rig with 8GB RAM and a 9800 GX2.]

...and the new 8600GT runs every modern game out there at great settings. [not exactly Mac-ish, but a joke nonetheless; then again, by 'modern games,' we're talking Macs, here]

Are these guys for real? For real-real? I think I would rather smile and watch Crysis grind along on a honkin' Dell XPS with its neon lights (don't actually have one, but all due respect to the series) than be the poor Mac dedicate with the 'subtle design' (no mention of the enormous Apple logo) notebook act proud that it can run Doom 3 at great settings.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6834100025

I can hardly fault the machine. It's a great laptop; just not boast-worthy.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-03-26 06:16:17)

2008-03-26 04:15:24

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Gawwad: My way or Haddaway!; +212|6957|Espoo, Finland

Now bundled with free iAttitude^tm

What were they thinking?

2008-03-26 04:21:13

#3

DUnlimited: got any popo lolo intersting?; +1,160|6735|cuntshitlake

Gawwad wrote:
Now bundled with free iAttitude^tm

That's it! You, my sir, win at life.

Get a mac if you want, but don't try to tell it performs better than a pc, in any ways. Might look cool and be thin and everything, but not better performing (unless you pay much more). iAttitude, really.

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2008-03-26 04:21:25

#4

max: Vela Incident; +1,652|6839|NYC / Hamburg

and that's the reason why everyone hates macs

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2008-03-26 09:10:16

#5

SpIk3y: Minister of Silly Walks; +67|6411|New Jersey

Notice they both listed their "tech level" as high. iAttitude is right.

2008-03-26 12:27:42

#6

konfusion: mostly afk; +480|6822|CH/BR - in UK

Apple would be a great thought for what I do...
Wait, lemme correct myself: OSX would be great. Apple is way too expensive

-konfusion

2008-03-26 12:37:44

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Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6810|Long Island, New York

Mac users are almost always completely arrogant and full of themselves. Every one I've talked to is INSISTANT that PCs suck and Macs are the way to go.

Sure. For a leisure laptop, the MacBook is pretty good. Overpriced? Yup. But saying that Macs outperform or are better than PCs is 1) Ignorant and 2) Just fucking stupid.

Edit: Spelling hax

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2008-03-26 12:40:58

#8

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|7004|St. Andrews / Oslo

Poseidon wrote:
Mac users are almost always completelt arrogant and full of themselves. Every one I've talked to is INSISTANT that PCs suck and Macs are the way to go.

I can say the same about PC users on these forums.

Everyone is INSISTANT that Macs suck and PCs are the way to go.

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2008-03-26 12:44:03

#9

DUnlimited: got any popo lolo intersting?; +1,160|6735|cuntshitlake

Jenspm wrote:
Poseidon wrote:
Mac users are almost always completelt arrogant and full of themselves. Every one I've talked to is INSISTANT that PCs suck and Macs are the way to go.
I can say the same about PC users on these forums.

Everyone is INSISTANT that Macs suck and PCs are the way to go.

Hey, hey, hey. We never said that. But do you honestly not laugh when you read those texts at newegg?

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2008-03-26 12:44:58

#10

VicktorVauhn: Member; +319|6664|Southern California

Poseidon wrote:
Mac users are almost always completelt arrogant and full of themselves. Every one I've talked to is INSISTANT that PCs suck and Macs are the way to go.

Sure. For a leisure laptop, the MacBook is pretty good. Overpriced? Yup. But saying that Macs outperform or are better than PCs is 1) Ignorant and 2) Just fucking stupid.

Almost everyone here will INSIST that macs suck and PC are the way to go. The fact that we are right doesn't mean we are any more close minded on the subject.

DAMNIT Jenspm...I noticed your post right after I typed this.

2008-03-26 12:46:03

#11

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|7004|St. Andrews / Oslo

DeathUnlimited wrote:
Jenspm wrote:
Poseidon wrote:
Mac users are almost always completelt arrogant and full of themselves. Every one I've talked to is INSISTANT that PCs suck and Macs are the way to go.
I can say the same about PC users on these forums.

Everyone is INSISTANT that Macs suck and PCs are the way to go.
Hey, hey, hey. We never said that. But do you honestly not laugh when you read those texts at newegg?

Yeah, of course, but you can find those type of coments on all kind of products at newegg.

My point is, Macs aren't as bad as everyone says. In my experience, they are definately more stable and trust-worthy than PCs.

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2008-03-26 12:46:51

#12

Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6810|Long Island, New York

VicktorVauhn wrote:
Poseidon wrote:
Mac users are almost always completelt arrogant and full of themselves. Every one I've talked to is INSISTANT that PCs suck and Macs are the way to go.

Sure. For a leisure laptop, the MacBook is pretty good. Overpriced? Yup. But saying that Macs outperform or are better than PCs is 1) Ignorant and 2) Just fucking stupid.
Almost everyone here will INSIST that macs suck and PC are the way to go. The fact that we are right doesn't mean we are any more close minded on the subject.

DAMNIT Jenspm...I noticed your post right after I typed this.

Difference is...they ARE right. Because most of the time, they're referring to it's gaming capabilities. And there is NO way in hell that a Mac will out-perform a PC in a game like...I dunno, Company of Heroes.

2008-03-26 13:04:53

#13

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6469|Winland

Jenspm wrote:
DeathUnlimited wrote:
Jenspm wrote:

I can say the same about PC users on these forums.

Everyone is INSISTANT that Macs suck and PCs are the way to go.
Hey, hey, hey. We never said that. But do you honestly not laugh when you read those texts at newegg?
Yeah, of course, but you can find those type of coments on all kind of products at newegg.

My point is, Macs aren't as bad as everyone says. In my experience, they are definately more stable and trust-worthy than PCs.

*Ahem*

It's the exact same hardware. And talking OS', I haven't had one single BSOD in XP SP2 the last two years, that hasn't been because of excessive overclocking. Of course, that's a problem you won't have on a Mac

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2008-03-26 13:14:24

#14

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|6854|SE London

Jenspm wrote:
DeathUnlimited wrote:
Jenspm wrote:
I can say the same about PC users on these forums.

Everyone is INSISTANT that Macs suck and PCs are the way to go.
Hey, hey, hey. We never said that. But do you honestly not laugh when you read those texts at newegg?
Yeah, of course, but you can find those type of coments on all kind of products at newegg.

My point is, Macs aren't as bad as everyone says. In my experience, they are definately more stable and trust-worthy than PCs.

Your experience is wrong.

I work for Apple and I know how shoddy the quality of the hardware in Macs is far better than most. They are shit, they break all the time - then I have to fix them. When they do break (and hardware faults are almost twice as common on Macs as on PCs) they cost SERIOUS money to repair and the parts can only be obtained from Apple by an AASP who will put a mark up on it and charge you labour at extortionate rates.

Freezer7Pro wrote:
It's the exact same hardware. And talking OS', I haven't had one single BSOD in XP SP2 the last two years, that hasn't been because of excessive overclocking. Of course, that's a problem you won't have on a Mac

It's not the same hardware. Mac logic boards, particularly on the MacBook Air and iMacs (I know one guy who got through 12 logic boards on his iMac G5 in the 3 years of his APP, although eventually Apple did replace it with a brand new machine) are really, really shit. In fact most of the components they use are substantially lower grade than parts you would find in your average cheap pre-built PC and are not even comparable to hardware you could get for the same money.

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2008-03-26 13:22:55

#15

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|7004|St. Andrews / Oslo

Bertster7 wrote:
Jenspm wrote:
DeathUnlimited wrote:

Hey, hey, hey. We never said that. But do you honestly not laugh when you read those texts at newegg?
Yeah, of course, but you can find those type of coments on all kind of products at newegg.

My point is, Macs aren't as bad as everyone says. In my experience, they are definately more stable and trust-worthy than PCs.
Your experience is wrong.

I work for Apple and I know how shoddy the quality of the hardware in Macs is far better than most. They are shit, they break all the time - then I have to fix them. When they do break (and hardware faults are almost twice as common on Macs as on PCs) they cost SERIOUS money to repair and the parts can only be obtained from Apple by an AASP who will put a mark up on it and charge you labour at extortionate rates.

I don't know, but you might have a different view as you work for the repair department (I think?)

My friend and I tested this with his Macbook.

It had an uptime for 1.5 months straight. He only rebooted to install an update. After that reboot it's been turned on for another 1 month straight.

My machines worked for a maximum of 1.5 weeks straight.

I've had trouble with every single one of my Windows laptops - tons of crashes, blue screens, Graphics cars going to hell, etc.

I've never experienced any problems with any macs I've tried. (though they aren't that many - 1xiMac, 1xMacbook, 1xMacbook Pro). Only one crash compined on all three.

And as for the expensive repairing, I dunno about the US, but in Norway, the law says that PC repairs have to be free of charge in the first 3 years, unless it is the users fault.

2008-03-26 13:42:47

#16

-Whiteroom-: Pineapplewhat; +572|6931|BC, Canada

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LOL that made me smile.

2008-03-26 13:49:54

#17

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|6854|SE London

Jenspm wrote:
Bertster7 wrote:
Jenspm wrote:

Yeah, of course, but you can find those type of coments on all kind of products at newegg.

My point is, Macs aren't as bad as everyone says. In my experience, they are definately more stable and trust-worthy than PCs.
Your experience is wrong.

I work for Apple and I know how shoddy the quality of the hardware in Macs is far better than most. They are shit, they break all the time - then I have to fix them. When they do break (and hardware faults are almost twice as common on Macs as on PCs) they cost SERIOUS money to repair and the parts can only be obtained from Apple by an AASP who will put a mark up on it and charge you labour at extortionate rates.
I don't know, but you might have a different view as you work for the repair department (I think?)

Yup, I mostly do repairs and some contract stuff and some other stuff. I also get to see the figures for how many Macs are sold and how many of them break. Lots of them break. Their figures are far worse than Dell for example.

Jenspm wrote:
My friend and I tested this with his Macbook.

It had an uptime for 1.5 months straight. He only rebooted to install an update. After that reboot it's been turned on for another 1 month straight.

My machines worked for a maximum of 1.5 weeks straight.

Which shows what?

You can't (or haven't bothered to) configure your PC properly. That is far more likely software related than anything else (hardware related crashes typically happen repeatedly rather than occasionally). My Athlon 64 based server at home has been running 24/7 for nearly 16 months now without being rebooted at all. No issues there. My main PC hasn't crashed since I stopped trying to overclock it way too high (though it might soon if I don't replace the dying hard drives in it) nor have any of my other (4) PC systems crashed in the past 6 months. My Apple laptop on the other hand, that's kernel panicked a couple of times since I got it in November and the bluetooth now only works one way (will only send not receive).

Jenspm wrote:
I've had trouble with every single one of my Windows laptops - tons of crashes, blue screens, Graphics cars going to hell, etc.

I've never experienced any problems with any macs I've tried. (though they aren't that many - 1xiMac, 1xMacbook, 1xMacbook Pro). Only one crash compined on all three.

Crashes are usually not hardware related. Badly configured installs of Windows can crash all the time. On Macs everything is done for you so you don't have to worry so much, until 2-3 years down the line your CPU melts (average load temp of a Conroe based Mac = 82C).

Jenspm wrote:
And as for the expensive repairing, I dunno about the US, but in Norway, the law says that PC repairs have to be free of charge in the first 3 years, unless it is the users fault.

Well, you're lucky. In the UK and US there are no such laws and you get a 1 year warranty and can purchase a 3 year warranty for loads of money.

2008-03-26 20:40:22

#18

Defiance: Member; +438|6943

Apple's are not the devil. Now that that's out of the way, their advertising department is either completely retarded or maniacal geniuses who prey on the PC illiterate sect of society (What's Apple's market share? The percentage ought to be similar).

2008-03-26 20:43:54

#19

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6873|132 and Bush

Reminded me of this classic.

Mac, the ultimate gaming machine ..lol.

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2008-03-26 22:36:28

#20

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,054|7044|PNW

Bertster7 wrote:
I work for Apple and I know how shoddy the quality of the hardware in Macs is far better than most. They are shit, they break all the time - then I have to fix them. When they do break (and hardware faults are almost twice as common on Macs as on PCs) they cost SERIOUS money to repair and the parts can only be obtained from Apple by an AASP who will put a mark up on it and charge you labour at extortionate rates.

Ain't that the truth.

But at least you won't be a chubby, half-confused bespectacled guy in a business suit...

2008-03-26 23:35:43

#21

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|7004|St. Andrews / Oslo

sure, I may be using it wrong, but that's my point.

With a mac, I don't have to "configure" it to make it work properly. I've had countless problems with windows:

So yeah, maybe what i mean is that their OS is awesome.

2008-03-26 23:45:08

#22

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6469|Winland

Bertster7 wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:
It's the exact same hardware. And talking OS', I haven't had one single BSOD in XP SP2 the last two years, that hasn't been because of excessive overclocking. Of course, that's a problem you won't have on a Mac
It's not the same hardware. Mac logic boards, particularly on the MacBook Air and iMacs (I know one guy who got through 12 logic boards on his iMac G5 in the 3 years of his APP, although eventually Apple did replace it with a brand new machine) are really, really shit. In fact most of the components they use are substantially lower grade than parts you would find in your average cheap pre-built PC and are not even comparable to hardware you could get for the same money.

Well, architecturally speaking. Both are X86-based nowdays.

EDIT: As with most things, I prefer to remain neutral about the Mac/PC debate. I'm that kinda guy who sees it from both sides with everything (Which causes all my friends to believe I have every last fetish and/or sexuality there is ). Macs are known for their design, and sure, they look kinda nice, but in all honesty, the only one I find even slightly appealing is the iMac, because of the concept. I think my HP Compaq nx7010 looks way better than the MacBook, any of them. I like that more effective "industrial" look. And the great speakers/placement.

Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2008-03-26 23:49:13)

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2008-03-26 23:47:47

#23

Scorpion0x17: can detect anyone's visible post count...; +691|7038|Cambridge (UK)

Jenspm wrote:
sure, I may be using it wrong, but that's my point.

With a mac, I don't have to "configure" it to make it work properly. I've had countless problems with windows:

So yeah, maybe what i mean is that their OS is awesome.

Never had to 'configure' windows to make it work properly here. Install and away you go.

2008-03-26 23:50:23

#24

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6469|Winland

Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Jenspm wrote:
sure, I may be using it wrong, but that's my point.

With a mac, I don't have to "configure" it to make it work properly. I've had countless problems with windows:

So yeah, maybe what i mean is that their OS is awesome.
Never had to 'configure' windows to make it work properly here. Install and away you go.

Yeah. Mac OS just seems simple, because every Mac is virtually the same, and doesn't really need any drivers but those supplied on the disc.

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2008-03-27 01:45:28

#25

TimmmmaaaaH: Damn, I... had something for this; +725|6712|Brisbane, Australia

Freezer7Pro wrote:
Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Jenspm wrote:
sure, I may be using it wrong, but that's my point.

With a mac, I don't have to "configure" it to make it work properly. I've had countless problems with windows:

So yeah, maybe what i mean is that their OS is awesome.
Never had to 'configure' windows to make it work properly here. Install and away you go.
Yeah. Mac OS just seems simple, because every Mac is virtually the same, and doesn't really need any drivers but those supplied on the disc.

Exactly. One of the reasons that Macs run so "stable" is because OSX only has to be written for a maximum of x configurations - not the millions of different possible combinations of PCs.

I am not taking away from OSX here, it is a great OS. But bear in mind that probably at least 50% of all PC's are different configurations, and the rest would be different in some tiny way.

Mac's? They are either a Macbook, Macbook Pro, iMac, Macbook Air, and others I cant remember - well under even 50 different machines (ignoring 3gb RAM vs 2gb RAM for example).

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