BF2S Forums Show Depicting Children Killing Muslims in Name of Christianity

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Korny09 wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Watch the video on the following link.

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1729.htm

Discuss what is wrong with Christians that they would make such hateful videos.

Well...some "Christians" have done this and worse. 
HOWEVER, Christianity is not about Christians, it is about Jesus.  What was his example?  What did he say & more importantly do? 

Ghandi was asked why he didn't become a Christian. His response,"I love your Christ, but do not care for your Christians."  Christianity is about following Christ.

Me as a Christian, I admit I am not a perfect example of Jesus either, but I strive to become like him in my action & character.  Not so I receive eternal life, but because I desire to obey Him.

Yeah, Christianity is pretty fuckin retarded too, but my point is that islam is way more fucked up.

Don't be so hard on yourself, the belief in the invisibleman to help people cope with reality already shows an inability to cope with life, but don't be so down on christianity to equate christians with people that are willing to buy into a belief system that is used widely in the world to repress women and infidels through the use of violence.

I wouldn't say it's used widely, used by a minority.

Last edited by Braddock (2008-04-03 15:52:41)

Turquoise wrote:

I wouldn't say it's used wisely either...   Freudian slip, eh? 

Must have been!

Lotta_Drool wrote:

What would you consider widely?

When more than 50% of the Muslim world partake in such activity... until that point they're in the minority. I'd seriously doubt that anywhere near that amount advocate or condone violent mistreatment of women and/or infidels.

Turquoise wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

What would you consider widely?

When more than 50% of the Muslim world partake in such activity... until that point they're in the minority. I'd seriously doubt that anywhere near that amount advocate or condone violent mistreatment of women and/or infidels.

What if, instead, over 50% of the governments of predominantly Islamic countries support such things?  For example, Saudi Arabia has oppressive religious police that make life quite shitty for non-Muslims and women in general.

We did the maths in another thread. 8 out of 34 predominantly Islamic countries have retarded legal systems.

CameronPoe wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Braddock wrote:

When more than 50% of the Muslim world partake in such activity... until that point they're in the minority. I'd seriously doubt that anywhere near that amount advocate or condone violent mistreatment of women and/or infidels.

What if, instead, over 50% of the governments of predominantly Islamic countries support such things?  For example, Saudi Arabia has oppressive religious police that make life quite shitty for non-Muslims and women in general.

We did the maths in another thread. 8 out of 34 predominantly Islamic countries have retarded legal systems.

24% is pretty bad, no?  I consider 24% widely myself.

Turquoise wrote:

24% is pretty bad, no?  I consider 24% widely myself.

Some people have low expectations when it comes to Islam.  Human rights aren't that big of a deal, why would anyone expect more than 3 out of 4 people not to be sexist bigots?

If 24% of European countries still treated women as second class citizens due to some interpretation of Christianity, wouldn't it bother you and justify a certain amount of prejudice toward Christianity in general?

Turquoise wrote:

If 24% of European countries still treated women as second class citizens due to some interpretation of Christianity, wouldn't it bother you and justify a certain amount of prejudice toward Christianity in general?

The thing is I myself (and I think Cam is the same on this) don't have very much time for the Islamic faith (being that it's a religion and all religion is quite frankly stupid) and don't in any way condone or agree with the attitudes of these hardline Islamic States, so you won't find any argument on that front. What I argue against in these forums is the attitudes being held by many towards all Muslim people, whether they're extremist or not, based purely on the despotic regimes of the Middle East.

Furthermore it boils down to what business is it of ours how they conduct their affairs. Fair enough we all have a right to get annoyed if they're demanding changes in our States when they move over here or attacking buildings with planes but when it's their own business in their own backyard we should mind our beeswax. For example I don't agree with the death penalty but it's up to you guys in the US if you wanna have it or not.

Turquoise wrote:

What Islamic states do becomes our business when terrorism is involved.  In addition to this, much of Europe is seeing an influx of Muslims, some of whom desire to change the West to a Sharia Law design.  Again, when an immigrant group becomes numerically significant enough to affect the general perceptions of the public in a Western country, then it becomes the business of that country to examine more closely what the implications are.   The first change on the agenda would seem to be the freedom of speech.

When a large portion of European politicians are spineless enough to give in to the violent demands of an ethnic minority, then you know that things are headed in the wrong direction.  If the Netherlands completely caves to censoring Fitna, then the only people that truly benefit are the extremists.  Denmark at least stood up more for itself.

'large proportion'

'give in to violent demands'

Turquoise. Please enlighten yourself. The film was never banned in the Netherlands or elsewhere in the EU. Neither were the Danish cartoons. We have free speech here. Be accurate.

PS As regards Arab nations hating us there is somewhat of a chicken and egg thing there: Israel and interference for decades = resentment.

Turquoise wrote:

When an immigrant group becomes numerically significant enough to affect the general perceptions of the public in a Western country, then it becomes the business of that country to examine more closely what the implications are.   The first change on the agenda would seem to be the freedom of speech.

When a large portion of European politicians are spineless enough to give in to the violent demands of an ethnic minority, then you know that things are headed in the wrong direction.  If the Netherlands completely caves to censoring Fitna, then the only people that truly benefit are the extremists.  Denmark at least stood up more for itself.

Kosovo has been the most dangerous development of late in terms of external parties coming into a region and changing shit around to suit themselves, that has created a very real precedence for any bunch of immigrants to go seeking their own little system in a land that is not theirs and the US wholeheartedly endorsed this new pirate state.

Also, as Cam pointed out, we never censored anything over here, we have freedom of speech in Europe.

Turquoise wrote:

Eh...  Well, that's a very good point.  I forgot about Kosovo....   I suppose that makes it difficult for me to address this issue without looking hypocritical in my support for Kosovo's independence.  With that being said, I concede on the Islamic influence thing (especially since Kosovo is a direct example of Muslims carving out their own country from another).

You have to admit though...   Kosovo's recent actions do pose an interesting question though: Is it possible that, if Pakistanis became a large enough group in certain sections of the U.K., would they attempt to break away from the rest of the country like Kosovo has done to Serbia?

It does pose a very interesting question and it is one of the principle reasons I oppose the formation of Kosovo as a new state. It's a dangerous precedent. I have read there is an important oil pipeline in the Kosovo region, I sure hope US support of this pirate state is not another case of short-sightedness in the hunt for securing oil resources.

Go to usmarine's karma. http://forums.bf2s.com/karma.php?sid=5091

I hate Islam too, kill the Albanian Muslims --- blademaster

Oh, yeah. Let's solve violence from a minority of a religion with genocide!

It's getting really sad.

Last edited by Poseidon (2008-04-04 21:50:00)