Sh4rkb1t3
Member
+6|7104
Lets see here.  There is absolutely nothing that can kill jets.  They are gods.  They only die if they crash, which only happens once every 20 minutes.  If you manage to shoot one down, in 30 seconds, hes back again.  Not only that but you only get 2 measly points for it.  In my opinion, you deserve 100 points for shooting down a moving jet.

After about 3 hours in a plane, you can get an effortless 20:1 ratio.

In BF1942, the AA guns actually worked, and anyone could take out a plane with just a machine gun or assault rifle, hell even a shotgun (in some mods).  The planes go so fast now, you probably couldn't even hit them with bullets anyway.  There is no flak either, so it is impossible for them to fly into flak and take damage.

Planes aren't a team effort like in BF1942 either.  In BF1942, you could have 2-3 people in the planes, which promoted team work.  Now, you can only have 1 person (except the the laser-missle planes).

What needs to happen is a major downgrade of jets.  They need to take damage from light machine guns like in BF1942.  If you put 100 holes in a jet's wings, do you honestly still think it would fly?  The AA missles NEED TO HIT EVERY TIME.  They can't just suddenly stop following the target for no reason.  The projectiles need to go faster so they aren't outran by the planes aswell.

I always get the jet, because I always load the map faster than everyone else (dual 4800's).  I can get a lot of points flying the planes too, but I don't care about a stupid number next to my name in BFHQ.  If I get the plane, I am bored for a whole game.  If I choose not to get the plane, I get noobed the whole match.  Jets ruined my BF2 experience, how about you?
Revelstoke
The Medic Whore
+9|7121|Ontario
i agree with you 100%
theres really nothing more to say on the topic
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|7139|California

planes are very easy to take down my good sir, all you need is a dogfighter. it takes a 4 second burst (100 rounds) to get it smoking and a missile up the ass to show the bitch whos your daddy. 2 AA hits bring it down all the time. hell, a take does significant damage.

and before i go further, what the hell about the Havok? that burp gun does more splash damage than any other weapon in the game.
NOxFEAR
Member
+0|7108|Shropshire UK

stryyker wrote:

planes are very easy to take down my good sir, all you need is a dogfighter. it takes a 4 second burst (100 rounds) to get it smoking and a missile up the ass to show the bitch whos your daddy.
Nicely put
Sh4rkb1t3
Member
+6|7104
Its pretty obvious that something is unbalanced if the only thing that can take it out is one of it.  Tanks are unbalanced, but not completely, because there are so many things that can kill it.

Yeah well I don't want to be completely relyant on other planes for survival.  When I see a plane, I want to atleast CONTRIBUTE to the death of it.  What if my team lost their jet?  Now everybody should just quit because we have no hope of winning. 

Right now its like: "Oh great its a jet.  Might as well commit suicide now."  If I saw a tank or APC I could grenade it, put mines around it, or shoot it with a rocket - not completely hopeless.

And no, it isn't EASY to take out a jet, or atleast me anyway... considering I only die 2-3 times a game.

Last edited by Sh4rkb1t3 (2006-01-07 20:50:23)

Kobrakai
Weirdo
+152|7207|England
Shut up and learn how to take them down, its not hard, they are fine.
chickenmuncher
Member
+2|7170| U.S.A.
Ummm... if you wanna complain about unbalanced war fair, ask someone who serves.

Battlefield 2 is MODERN COMBAT. Stuff like this happens so really, real marines should be allow to complain on the field......but they don't.



WHY?? Because thats what they got, so shut up and just play a map without planes!
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|7115|NJ
I defintly agree with the poster on this one. The only jets you can hit with the AA are your own, and if your in the mobile AA they can lock on you and bomb you with little effort. BF needs SAS's again at least so the troops have a little move chance on it, or maybe give the mobile AA a radar so you at least have a fighting chance against the plane whores.
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|7115|NJ

chickenmuncher wrote:

Ummm... if you wanna complain about unbalanced war fair, ask someone who serves.

Battlefield 2 is MODERN COMBAT. Stuff like this happens so really, real marines should be allow to complain on the field......but they don't.



WHY?? Because thats what they got, so shut up and just play a map without planes!
Why do you think everyone loves karkland(at least I do) you don't have to worry about someone overhead constantly bombing your spawn points. 

P.S. more dugouts would be nice in the game so bombs can't get to you as much, it really pisses me off when I'm in a bunker and a bomb or arty hits the roof and I"m dead.
splixx
ChupaCABRA
+53|7158|Omaha, Nebraska
BF1942 it took a year before they fixed AA in planes your wrong
FromTheAshes
Member
+53|7124
Jets dont need a downgrade, their fine. Theres a reason they can avoid AA, THEY ARE JETS, JETS GO FAST, IN REAL LIFE THEY CANT BE DETECTED BY RADAR. Just be glad you can even shoot down the jets at all, let alone see them.

Also, you suck, I can easily shoot down a plane with stationary AA.
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|7115|NJ
In real life jets can't be Detected by radar???  That's got to be the dumbiest thing I read, how do they land them? I've seen Top Gun like anyone else, how do the other jets know which way to engage?

The problem with stationary AA is that everyone who plane whores know's where they are and instantly starts gunning at those points before they bomb.  I've shot down plenty of jets too most of which I suspect are beginner pilots, but an experianced pilot knows where to shot first if they're getting a lock.
Bert10099
[]D [] []\/[] []D
+177|7160|United States

FromTheAshes wrote:

Jets dont need a downgrade, their fine. Theres a reason they can avoid AA, THEY ARE JETS, JETS GO FAST, IN REAL LIFE THEY CANT BE DETECTED BY RADAR. Just be glad you can even shoot down the jets at all, let alone see them.

Also, you suck, I can easily shoot down a plane with stationary AA.
You also are quite good at keeping friendly aircraft out of the air.  Standing infront of jets, not allowing them to take off.  You damn idiot.
FromTheAshes
Member
+53|7124

Bert10099 wrote:

FromTheAshes wrote:

Jets dont need a downgrade, their fine. Theres a reason they can avoid AA, THEY ARE JETS, JETS GO FAST, IN REAL LIFE THEY CANT BE DETECTED BY RADAR. Just be glad you can even shoot down the jets at all, let alone see them.

Also, you suck, I can easily shoot down a plane with stationary AA.
You also are quite good at keeping friendly aircraft out of the air.  Standing infront of jets, not allowing them to take off.  You damn idiot.
What? I only did that once because he did it too me first.
Bert10099
[]D [] []\/[] []D
+177|7160|United States
I think this was in the same game.

https://img206.imageshack.us/img206/999/fromtheashes2qq.jpg

LMAO
FromTheAshes
Member
+53|7124
That was my sister...


That fucking whore...

Last edited by FromTheAshes (2006-01-07 22:51:06)

the_outsider38
Microsoft Poster Child
+83|7113|Vancouver BC Canada
Not only are planes extremely vanurable to all types of AA guns they also have a difficult time repairing (flying over the airstrip 10 times, or once really slow,which is asking to be shot down). The best weapon vs. jets happens to be those fighter jets...i wonder why they call them that?

cpt.fass1 wrote:

In real life jets can't be Detected by radar???  That's got to be the dumbiest thing I read, how do they land them? I've seen Top Gun like anyone else, how do the other jets know which way to engage?
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The F35b is actually a stealth fighter, much like the F22 raptor, the missiles are heat seeking, not radar guided and they do actually resist being picked up by radar(don't bounce back radar waves).
kilroy0097
Kilroy Is Here!
+81|7263|Bryan/College Station, TX
AA emplacements. I call them that loosely as I have never felt the Stinger missle was an effect missle against any aircraft except for slow moving ones. Passenger Jets, Props, Helicopters are the vehicles I could see a Stinger actually go against. Fast moving jets are impossible to bring down with Stingers so in truth this is accurate in BF2.

Now if they would include a SAM site with radar lock on at least at the range of the aircraft ground targeting radar (i.e. when the square appears for a ground target on the HUD) and if the missles locked and fired and kept locked on requiring flare release and if they did double the damg. of a single Stinger. Give them the ability to only launch one SAM missle every 30 seconds or so. Give it a recharge time.

A SAM should be located on the Essex instead of the sorry crap they call platform mounted missles they use now.

That might balance the air power to the ground power.

The other option of course is to have decent pilots on your team constantly dogfighting the enemy pilots. With one addition. Add the F-16 on maps that have the J-10. Give them identical speed and maneuverability. This way the J-10 will not have the obvious edge in turning radius over the F-35.

This solution does not make it unfair for the pilots. It simply makes them more aware that there is something in the game that can take them down from the ground. It makes them HAVE to maneuver and use flares to not be hit. This does not take away from the ability for pilots to bomb things on the ground it simply makes it more dangerous to do so in the AREA of the SAM site. The SAM site should be located at the Main Base establishment of each side on maps where it exists and ONLY at these bases. There should not be more than one SAM site for each team.

That's my solution.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis
Dragoon_Jett
Member
+0|7103|Canada, Ontario, Kingston
Dude, teh only reason you complain is because you can't fly, I fly, the dam BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP gives me a headach, I know flyers, it takes skill to fly kill people, and not die, the only thing they need is more SAMs the only problem is theres only like 3 stingers in 1 whole map, and if there was more there could be more people attacking it,  it's hard, contrary to what people think, the only problem is peopel dont think the SAMs don't work, theres two (eh) on the carriers, theres a blind spot on each one, but if theres one person on each theres no blind spot so if you have 2 people (I have only seen twice happen) then you could PWN a jet.  So try and fly a jet once  is awhile and see.
someone25
Member
+1|7167
100% agree!

Jets Downgrading - massiv
Choppers are good as they are

But the AA has to be upgraded - especially the AA on the carriers!!!  (Fucki*** base rapers - like Top Player #3 no chance to get a shot when he is around)
Dragoon_Jett
Member
+0|7103|Canada, Ontario, Kingston
Don't play with him, or just play like in warehouse flags no jets can bomb.
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|7139|California

what do you want as AA then? a Soviet-Era SA-2 Surface To Air Missile? a fucking 40 foot missile to blow a plane out of the air that can be hit down with a SRAW?
Superaap
Member
+0|7165
Yup, i agree. They have to downgrade the jets or they have to upgrade the AA. Choppers are good.
And yeah in real life blah blah blah  it's a GAME, people want to have fun instead of getting raped by planes.

I often spend my time in the AA or Linebacker (or whatever it's called),  against choppers the AA works reasonably well. Against jets it's another story and I agree everyone can kill a noob pilot who fly slow and low to aim his bombs. But most pilots have a little bit of skill and than they are hard to destroy with the AA.

Another problem is that people don't like to use the AA because the chance of hitting a friendly is too big.

So EA please upgrade the AA!!
kilroy0097
Kilroy Is Here!
+81|7263|Bryan/College Station, TX

stryyker wrote:

what do you want as AA then? a Soviet-Era SA-2 Surface To Air Missile? a fucking 40 foot missile to blow a plane out of the air that can be hit down with a SRAW?
I don't know about most players but I highly doubt you are hitting down jet planes, with the exception of silly hovering F-35s, with a SRAW. Or are you?

As for what kinds... I point you to here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-to-air_missile

Last edited by kilroy0097 (2006-01-08 02:00:44)

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