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2006-01-08 02:04:28
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|7139|California

kilroy0097 wrote:

stryyker wrote:

what do you want as AA then? a Soviet-Era SA-2 Surface To Air Missile? a fucking 40 foot missile to blow a plane out of the air that can be hit down with a SRAW?
I don't know about most players but I highly doubt you are hitting down jet planes, with the exception of silly hovering F-35s, with a SRAW. Or are you?

As for what kinds... I point you to here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-to-air_missile
still on the ground, i fudged the truth a tad :8
just slap a minigun on a truck, thattl make a rather effective AA vechile
2006-01-08 02:07:11
kilroy0097
Kilroy Is Here!
+81|7263|Bryan/College Station, TX

stryyker wrote:

kilroy0097 wrote:

stryyker wrote:

what do you want as AA then? a Soviet-Era SA-2 Surface To Air Missile? a fucking 40 foot missile to blow a plane out of the air that can be hit down with a SRAW?
I don't know about most players but I highly doubt you are hitting down jet planes, with the exception of silly hovering F-35s, with a SRAW. Or are you?

As for what kinds... I point you to here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-to-air_missile
still on the ground, i fudged the truth a tad :8
just slap a minigun on a truck, thattl make a rather effective AA vechile
Have you attempted to fire a mini-gun or any gun at all at a passing jet? The vulcans on the Essex aren't even fast enough to put a dent in passing jets. The AA vehicles can't do the job even with missles. What can a mini-gun on a vehicle on the ground do against jets? Except maybe present yet another bombing target to them? However it would be on hell of an anti-infantry weapon on the ground.

Last edited by kilroy0097 (2006-01-08 02:08:09)

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2006-01-08 02:39:16
Emetchar
Member
+0|7131
AA turrets are ineffective almost 100% of the time, 100% if they use flares, even against blackhawks hovering over a flag (in my experience). Don't give me anything about how I'm doing something wrong. You listen for the solid tone, you fire the missile, end of user input.
The lock-on is meaningless. If it doesn't simply refuse to heat-seek the guy you aimed it at, it will veer off in some random direction and hit a friendly craft. About 3/4 of my TKs are because of shortbus missiles.

Stinger missiles travel at over mach 2, much faster than any combat craft traveling at sea level. The IR guidance packages weren't contracted from wal-mart, there's no excuse for it missing a single, giant, blob of heat right in front of it's nose several times.

I don't care how good you are, you shouldn't be able to dodge about 5 guys shooting at you and come away with a 20 K: D ratio. This is not "war," this is a multiplayer game, and should be balanced accordingly.

End of rant.

Last edited by Emetchar (2006-01-08 02:49:15)

2006-01-08 03:19:11
Hyper
Banned
+154|7170

FromTheAshes wrote:

That was my sister...


That fucking whore...
if i was your father id fucking bitch slap you
show some class?
2006-01-08 04:44:56
(HUN)Rudebwoy
Member
+45|7174
It is true, that only a fighter jet can take down another jet....
But what I experience is that people dont care, they use fighter jets to bomb, they wont fire one goddamned missile at an enemy plane.
I haven't spent much time in jet, and when I did I was a copilot( I hate flying, and Im probably the most unskilled person in the world), but my brother uses it a lot, and I usually watch him flying, that's why I can make the statements above (just to avoid flaming)...

The jets should not be downgraded, a freakin big bomb is a freakin big bomb, and it will wipe out everything it hits.As for the damage a jet can take: it is good as it is now.Of course in real life you could bring down a jet with ONE bullet, if placed correctly, but it would not be a balanced game.Not to mention, that then helos could be brought down with one shot to the rotors...
AA missiles should be more accurate, and that's all. They shouldn't be more powerful (two hits to anything is okay I guess), and somehow it needs to be fixed to hit LESS friendly targets.
(have it happened to anyone else, that you just fired the two stingers in the skyes, with no enemy and friendly in sight,and got a teamvehicle damage? )
2006-01-08 06:18:17
someone25
Member
+1|7167

stryyker wrote:

what do you want as AA then? a Soviet-Era SA-2 Surface To Air Missile? a fucking 40 foot missile to blow a plane out of the air that can be hit down with a SRAW?
no - i remember the demo version of bf2 - the aa was strong - omg the aa was beautiful... after the first patch the missles didnt hit any more...

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i thought of longer range to get a lock on aircrafts
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faster reloads of the missles
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more time to fire the gatling (till it gets hot)
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more accurate missles
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2006-01-08 08:27:51
Sh4rkb1t3
Member
+6|7104

Kobrakai wrote:

Shut up and learn how to take them down, its not hard, they are fine.
I can take them down easy when I have a plane.  Except most of the time I do not.
2006-01-08 08:29:00
Sh4rkb1t3
Member
+6|7104

chickenmuncher wrote:

Ummm... if you wanna complain about unbalanced war fair, ask someone who serves.

Battlefield 2 is MODERN COMBAT. Stuff like this happens so really, real marines should be allow to complain on the field......but they don't.



WHY?? Because thats what they got, so shut up and just play a map without planes!
Gameplay > Realism

And besides, BF2 is an arcade shooter, not a combat simulation.
2006-01-08 08:36:47
polarbearz
Raiders of the Lost Bear
+-1,474|7208|Singapore

stryyker wrote:

planes are very easy to take down my good sir, all you need is a dogfighter. it takes a 4 second burst (100 rounds) to get it smoking and a missile up the ass to show the bitch whos your daddy. 2 AA hits bring it down all the time. hell, a take does significant damage.
100 rounds?! 50 is much much more than enough!
2006-01-08 08:38:14
Sh4rkb1t3
Member
+6|7104

Dragoon_Jett wrote:

Dude, teh only reason you complain is because you can't fly, I fly, the dam BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP gives me a headach, I know flyers, it takes skill to fly kill people, and not die, the only thing they need is more SAMs the only problem is theres only like 3 stingers in 1 whole map, and if there was more there could be more people attacking it,  it's hard, contrary to what people think, the only problem is peopel dont think the SAMs don't work, theres two (eh) on the carriers, theres a blind spot on each one, but if theres one person on each theres no blind spot so if you have 2 people (I have only seen twice happen) then you could PWN a jet.  So try and fly a jet once  is awhile and see.
I already said that I get 20:1 ratios in my first post.

The surface to air missles are crap.  Even if you STAY locked on to them, they don't go beyond viewing distance, and they don't use chaff, the chances of the missle hitting are about 10%.  Not only that, but you need to hit them with 2 of them.

If the stingers were more consistant, then I would be happier.  And of course light machine guns should do damage to planes... because planes can't fly if they have holes in their wings.  Then planes could be countered by the supports.
2006-01-08 09:08:14
Ryan
Member
+1,230|7262|Alberta, Canada

sorry, but things can destroy a jet.... one freaking hand grenade.
2006-01-08 09:10:48
Kobrakai
Weirdo
+152|7207|England
Yes its true, jets = weaker than transport.

Got one thread saying sniper rifles should be 1 shot kill because its more realistic, and this thread saying jets should be easier to take down. Well make your mind up, do you want realism or not? because if you want the game to be realistic then infantry should not have a chance against a jet.
2006-01-08 09:15:09
Aegis
Sailor with no BF2 Navy
+19|7164|I'm worldwide, beotch
You all keep bitching and bitching about the jets, yet EVERYONE conceeds one point - jets are effective against jets.

The problem is that people (like you) want an easy way to dispose of them from the ground. Unfortunately, the purpose of a close air support jet is to be impervious to the common ground-pounder with a rifle (that is, hard to shoot down). If this is where I get the standard "it's not supposed to be realistic!" bullshit, save it. Your little pea-shooter M-16 isn't a magic stick that can pick jets out of the sky at will. The people who think shit like that are probably the same ones you see shooting at tanks with pistols.

If half of you would stop complaining for 2 seconds, you'd see that AA missile lock is being improved in 1.3 and HP are being reduced on all aircraft. Don't like jets at all? Go play SF or CounterStrike until the new pacth comes out.


Sh4rkb1t3 wrote:

Dragoon_Jett wrote:

Dude, teh only reason you complain is because you can't fly,
If the stingers were more consistant, then I would be happier.  And of course light machine guns should do damage to planes... because planes can't fly if they have holes in their wings.  Then planes could be countered by the supports.
Hey, smart ones. If 1 M-16 can't shoot down a jet, it makes sense to suppose neither could 100 M-16s.
Close air support planes are specifically designed to be able to fly with MANY holes in their wings.
The damage in pictures below was caused mostly by MISSLES or OTHER jets. Small arms are are out of the question, save freak circumstances.

https://airpower.callihan.cc/images/Misc/A10/A10pow.jpg
https://usaattacked.com/IraqWar/damage42.jpg
https://home.cinci.rr.com/planenuts/im/F15%20F18.gif

Yeah, and your pussy little assault rifle is gonna bring down a fast mover.

Last edited by Aegis (2006-01-08 09:19:39)

2006-01-08 09:27:00
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7185|UK
Most people may not know this but the British Navy dont try to take down planes with missles. If a plane attacks automatic miniguns literally put up a wall of bullets which completly shreds the planes. That is all u need to do in this game. You have to aim infront of the enemy plane not at it.
2006-01-08 09:38:27
washow
Get out of MY JET!!!
+23|7131
people seriously need to stop bitching about jets

let me say this from the pilots view

UNLESS you are in j 10, the jets are EASY to take down with AA or the other jets

AND IF you are in j 10, it's bit harder but it still is possible to take them down with AA/jet

god! all these guys bitching are noobs who get bombed/MG'd to death because they are sitting in AA all the freaking time making them biggest target in the game

LEARN HOW TO AVOID

EDIT: let me add one thing...

these guys whine about jets cuz they can't fly jack shit
sigh.. we'r getting pwnt by 1.3 patch anyway

Last edited by washow (2006-01-08 09:41:06)

2006-01-08 09:42:23
D1TAG
Member
+0|7103
I would really like to see Stingers brought into the game. After all are they not part of MODERN WARFAIR ?

Think about it , your in a 32 or 64 player server and 5 people per side have stingers, do you think the jets would be as hard to bring down ? Anyway I know that stingers are part of MW and should be added.
2006-01-08 09:43:42
Aegis
Sailor with no BF2 Navy
+19|7164|I'm worldwide, beotch
The mounted AA are Stingers.
2006-01-08 10:22:04
idiotofwar
Jet Rammer
+4|7146|Debris From Space

D1TAG wrote:

I would really like to see Stingers brought into the game. After all are they not part of MODERN WARFAIR ?

Think about it , your in a 32 or 64 player server and 5 people per side have stingers, do you think the jets would be as hard to bring down ? Anyway I know that stingers are part of MW and should be added.
Do you mean a hand held stinger missle launcher? Because that isn't a bad idea. It would really make the black hawk on Mashtur easier to stop. Once they fix the AA you could probably take down jets with a handheld stinger.
2006-01-08 10:27:42
TheCaptn
Member
+0|7103
I'd be willing to bet that all these people complaining about jets never actually bother to -spot- them whenever they see them.

I love to fly when I get the chance, and I prefer to just hop in a fighter and fly CAP. It's a lot more rewarding to splash a hostile jet than it is to just bomb or strafe ground targets. And it's really not that difficult once you get the technique down... Sneak in behind, wait until they straighten up to bomb, then have at them.
The thing is though, the planes lack any kind of air-to-air radar system, so we can't just circle around hunting for targets. Generally you'll find a hostile jet either by luck, or when the damn thing locks on to you (and reversing that position can be tricky)... If more people on the ground would bother to spot planes in the air for us, we'd have a much easier time tracking them down and shooting at them.
And hell, even without getting a kill, an aircraft which is busy dogfighting isn't bombing ground targets anymore.

In short, if you're sick of getting bombed then spot the damn hostile. If you want to be really nice you can hop in an AA launcher just long enough to make him drop his flares... Your jets will have an even easier time of it then.
2006-01-08 10:47:43
D1TAG
Member
+0|7103
Yes I do mean hand held shoulder stingers.

The problem with air fighting is that not a lot of people do it cause they can't dog fight do to lack of pratice besides, its much easier to strafe gound troops than dogfight,lol.

I myself , I am not a very good pilot due to lack of experince so I leave the jets to the people who are better than I am unless there is not a lot of people flying , I will take my chances. When i do take my chance at flying, I will try going after other jets and try dogfighting. I tend to ignor ground troops and let them do their thing on the ground.
Thats just me.
But I do not put blame on the people who can fly . BF2 just has to come up with shoulder guided stingers to help out the ground troops.

It would also be a good idea to have the jets have air to air radar systems to be able to spot and chase down other fighter jets.

Last edited by D1TAG (2006-01-08 10:52:42)

2006-01-08 10:58:04
Aegis
Sailor with no BF2 Navy
+19|7164|I'm worldwide, beotch

D1TAG wrote:

Yes I do mean hand held shoulder stingers.
What good will that do? Everyone bitches that the stationary Stingers suck, they'll just complain that the mobile ones do too. It's the same shit, people.
2006-01-08 11:10:09
D1TAG
Member
+0|7103
We each have our own ideas and thoughts . With all due respect ,I respect yours and hope you respect mine. If implemented and you wish not to use them then don't, I myself at times may not use them and then again in certain times I would. If it means having an extra chance at taking a jet down then why not .

There will always be people who complain about one aspect of the game or another. I however , I am not complaining but simply trying to add to my chances and everyone elses chances and adding to the ground troops capability of defending themselves while trying to capture a base spawn.

Last edited by D1TAG (2006-01-08 11:13:40)

2006-01-08 11:30:12
Mj.Blindfisch
Bulletdrop-Buddha
+338|7116|Germany

the_outsider38 wrote:

Not only are planes extremely vanurable to all types of AA guns they also have a difficult time repairing (flying over the airstrip 10 times, or once really slow,which is asking to be shot down).
Have you ever tried flying close to your wingman who happens to be an engineer?

It works with tanks,it also works with jets.... ;-)
2006-01-08 11:33:45
.:ronin:.|Patton
Respekct dad i love u always
+946|7228|Marathon, Florida Keys

Mj.Blindfisch wrote:

the_outsider38 wrote:

Not only are planes extremely vanurable to all types of AA guns they also have a difficult time repairing (flying over the airstrip 10 times, or once really slow,which is asking to be shot down).
Have you ever tried flying close to your wingman who happens to be an engineer?

It works with tanks,it also works with jets.... ;-)
Thats what me and my freind do, its the freaking win
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2006-01-09 09:45:42
he_who_says_zonk
Member
+17|7139
Jets are hard to shoot down.. yes.. they're DESIGNED to be hard to shoot down. They're designed to be able to evade things that are designed to kill them. On the modern battlefield aircraft are the dominant power. It's realistic that it would feel like that ingame.

As for people saying you can just hop in a jet and get a 20:1 ratio.... go for it! You'll realise the awful truth: FLYING A JET TAKES SKILL

 

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