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2006-01-09 10:06:17
Cbass
Kick His Ass!
+371|7113|Howell, Mi USA
Couldn't of said it better myself. im a tank man, always have been. it seems there is allways atleast 1 jackass that does nothing but hit me with the TV missles on the F15 or drop bombs on me for an entire game. just as i get into a firefight here comes the jet and im toast. it's fine a couple times but it gets annoying when someone is doing it the whole game. I agree jets ruin the game.
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2006-01-09 10:15:34
FrEaK
Member
+1|7202|Finland
If there would be only 1 life for each player/round,
there wouldn't be any of these raping/camping problems, but it would ruin the whole game.
2006-01-09 11:14:34
D1TAG
Member
+0|7103
LOL I must be very good when playing to have a jet come down on me just to unload a full set of bombs to take me out . That makes me feel special when I know I'm alone and a jet swoops down on me for the kill, better hide here he comes again.

Just joking with all of you but, I really don't understand why a jet would go down to bomb for 1 kill instead of trying to chase down  another enemy jet . I would have more pride taking out an enemy jet than take out 1 single grunt on the ground .

Yes it has happened more than once.
2006-01-09 11:20:12
Ub3r-ElitE
Teargas wh0re
+2|7139
I rarely play on maps with planes and if i play on them i'm about 80% of the time in choppers. So i can say i don't have any problems with planes at all...
2006-01-09 12:16:14
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7155|Salt Lake City

While I'm not sold on heavily modifying the jets, and I'm a ground pounder, I am going to reserve judgement until the next patch comes out.  This is an arcade shooter, and as such there needs be reasonable ways to bring/take down any vehicle in the game.  As it stands the jets are nearly impossible to bring down except by another jet.  I'm sure the guys here saying it is possible to bring down jets are those that spend most of their time in a jet and may have been brought down a few times, but in the overall scheme of things when you look at how many kills you have to the times you've been shot down, the jets are far too powerful given the current state of any AA tools within the game.
2006-01-09 12:35:53
D1TAG
Member
+0|7103
Thats true Agent_Dung_Bomb . I myself am like you . Yeah I think the jets maybe a bit to powerful because its suposed to be a game but , if the ground troops had an equalizer that would be at least 95 % acurate then it might not be all that bad. For now anyway everyone has to admit that the jets are a real pain to deal with ,lol.
I say leave the jets as is if you want but give the ground troops a true equalizer.
2006-01-09 12:46:39
Cbass
Kick His Ass!
+371|7113|Howell, Mi USA
Shit, if the AA vehicles had decent accuracy there wouldn't be a problem with jets. But i heard there fixing the AA locking system with the new patch so who knows.
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2006-01-09 12:56:58
Anima05
Member
+1|7179

Sh4rkb1t3 wrote:

Lets see here.  There is absolutely nothing that can kill jets.  They are gods.  They only die if they crash, which only happens once every 20 minutes.  If you manage to shoot one down, in 30 seconds, hes back again.  Not only that but you only get 2 measly points for it.  In my opinion, you deserve 100 points for shooting down a moving jet.

After about 3 hours in a plane, you can get an effortless 20:1 ratio.

In BF1942, the AA guns actually worked, and anyone could take out a plane with just a machine gun or assault rifle, hell even a shotgun (in some mods).  The planes go so fast now, you probably couldn't even hit them with bullets anyway.  There is no flak either, so it is impossible for them to fly into flak and take damage.

Planes aren't a team effort like in BF1942 either.  In BF1942, you could have 2-3 people in the planes, which promoted team work.  Now, you can only have 1 person (except the the laser-missle planes).

What needs to happen is a major downgrade of jets.  They need to take damage from light machine guns like in BF1942.  If you put 100 holes in a jet's wings, do you honestly still think it would fly?  The AA missles NEED TO HIT EVERY TIME.  They can't just suddenly stop following the target for no reason.  The projectiles need to go faster so they aren't outran by the planes aswell.

I always get the jet, because I always load the map faster than everyone else (dual 4800's).  I can get a lot of points flying the planes too, but I don't care about a stupid number next to my name in BFHQ.  If I get the plane, I am bored for a whole game.  If I choose not to get the plane, I get noobed the whole match.  Jets ruined my BF2 experience, how about you?
I agree, Jets are the only reason why I only play on Karkand, Mashtuur, Sharqi and SF maps now
2006-01-09 16:46:12
(IOC)WhiteLion
Member
+0|7139
I agree that only part of jets/helos need downgrade. For example many of us from desert combat were able to shoot down planes and helos but in this game bf2 it require 2 shots (HUH 2 shot?) but here the secert unless you already know but why does M95 was design to kill people in cockpit? I decide to use tank to see if I can make 1 shot kill fire at cockpit. So other night, pilot flying toward to me and I have perfect shot aiming cockpit and shot him. Did it kill? Yep it does so now I have few kills with planes and helos with 1 shot kill aim at cockpit. There was a guy who fly heloes started to get to know me and when he attacking me, he have his helo nose pitch up and let gunner use tv guide missile. I did shot him at the bottom but didnt kill him (what!). Yes I died but I spawn out with anti missile and kill them because they took damage from my tank. Now with AA, yes they need upgrade but I make alot of kills with AA. How the heck I do it? I just giving pilots a nerve when locking them on and they get annoy when hearing beeping sound. When I fly, it not bother me because of my deafness but I learned about beeping sound from my friend. Anyway they will became bugging and they will hunt you down.b Once you see that plane in distance just fire the missiles because it will even kill them without lock on since it heat seeking and go straight to where plane coming to me. I love AA on essex and I am skill with that (not the best top AA user but know how to use them well). AA on essex have 6 missile so use all of them if plane dive for you. Also wait for them pop their flares and then fire missiles when lock on birds. You got to use strategy how to deal it and use common sense like why the heck M(% able to kill guys in cockpit? Then aim for it. Cockpits are the weakest spot.
2006-01-09 19:31:24
Berserk_Vampire
Banned
+7|7107
They should get rid of the jets and just keep choppers.
2006-01-09 19:46:12
MrPredictable
Member
+14|7105
theyre going to be inproving the AA missle lock or somthing like that with the next patch.
2006-01-09 23:03:10
Tetrino
International OMGWTFBBQ
+200|7150|Uhh... erm...
Finally, someone who plays Madness Interactive! I think the improvements in AA in the next patch will be enough.
2006-01-10 01:50:53
kilroy0097
Kilroy Is Here!
+81|7263|Bryan/College Station, TX
I would like to point out to all those who say Jets are Hard to Shoot down in the real world by ground troops.

1. They fly at 1,000 ft or more and hence are not effected by small round fire.
2. They can acquire and fire at targets before they are even heard.
3. They fly faster than a Stinger can have time to intercept.
4. A Mobile or NonMobile AA battery does not carry stingers. They have real SAMs.
5. Flak while effect at one time is an annoyance to modern jets but still deadly to a point.
6. Dog fighting between jets in moderm warfare happens at 10,000 ft or more and is not seen by ground troops.

So in BF2 terms....

1. All jets fly at less than 1000 ft.
2. You can SEE the jet as it acquires its target and close to bomb them.
3. They still fly faster than a Stinger can have time to intercept.
4. Mobile and NonMobile AA in BF2 all carry Stinger type crappy missles.
5. Flak doesn't exist and the Cannons on the Mobile AA are a joke.
6. Dog fighting between jets takes place so close to the ground that hills, trees, towers and the such actually come into play. That's crap.

So given the constraints of this game to air power ceiling and mechanics. Ground forces CAN effect jets with small arms fire. MG can hurt Jets. So in BF2 this argument is void.

For every complaint that BF2 isn't realistic enough there is someone who complains it is.

Last edited by kilroy0097 (2006-01-10 02:02:15)

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2006-01-10 02:06:20
Kamikaze17
Over the line!
+70|7168|Mark it zero.

Berserk_Vampire wrote:

They should get rid of the jets and just keep choppers.
that would be stupid. the reason for the Battlefield series is to be able to use all types of weapons and vehicles that were used in that time period. i think jets make the game a lot more fun, even though i barely ever fly one myself and get bombed by them a lot.
2006-01-10 02:28:05
*ToRRo*cT|
Spanish Sniper-Wh0re
+199|7162|Malaga, España
well i agree a lot with Killroy above here:

1. Stingers are good versus chopper 2 rockets and u got the fucker down, but against jets u need a hell of a practice and some luck that the plane flies over the best way to hit them.
2. US ESSEX have the same missiles there Tracking is a joke...u fire and the rocket already lost the track of the plane. u need to fire almost all of them and pray that at least 1 rocket will hit the jet. if u look at the USSEX the chassis of the rocket launchers is the same as an SAM site model....why the hell dont they put their some real good heat seaking rockets the real SAM that only can be avoid by Flairs, or a neat move like going to the ground and at the last moment u pull up so the rocket will be smashed in the ground..but not that the rocket loses his freaking tracking after a 45º turn
3. the main gun of the essex isnt bad u must have a clear shot on the cockpit so u kill the pilot instead of destroying the plane...same in dogfights just try to shoot from above at the cockpit...turn on the bomber vision so the enemy jet doesnt get a locking warning so he will make crazy moves. killing the pilot is a good way to get rid of the jets.

so i think if they improve the Essex with some real SAM rockets , i think thats the way to get rid of a carrier base bomber. for the further rest in the map , just hope that the jet pilots of ur team will save ur ass from bombing.

for now just hope that u have 2 good ESSEX gunners
2006-01-10 09:41:54
Mj.Blindfisch
Bulletdrop-Buddha
+338|7116|Germany
The real problem are not the jets,it's the people who fly them.

Have you ever been in a round were your team is airfieldcamping like hell just to get a jet yet the enemy bombs the living crap out of you?
No teamwork,no dogfighting,no use of a jet for the team effort.

In BF1942 you could really mess up the day of a pilot when using the flak-cannon,he could do something against it but it was quite even.
Nowadays I see pilots strafing the minigun of the Essex dead-on and manage to fly away alive.
So the AA is not what it used to be in BF1942,that's no reason not to man those guns.
Best example is Wake 2007,what do your teammates do when they happen to get in a jet?
They wanna rack up points for kills so they fly towards the chinese airfield,the rest of the gang waits at the spawnpoint of the plane with hopes of their buddy crashing soon,nobody even thinks about taking a boat.

If there actually were some team effort all AA guns would be manned,the 2 Essex towers + the Stinger on the island,the jets would keep dogfighting the J-10s and bombing the tanks on shore so the rest of the team has some time to breathe and get their asses in a boat or a chopper and can disembark safely on Wake.
2006-01-10 09:57:22
Cbass
Kick His Ass!
+371|7113|Howell, Mi USA
yea the cannons on the AA vehicle ARE a joke. u would think they can shoot down a jet/helo but really they are more effective against troops and thats it.
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2006-01-10 10:07:11
[FIS]-Thor
Member
+0|7162|Vienna- Austria

FromTheAshes wrote:

THEY ARE JETS, JETS GO FAST, IN REAL LIFE THEY CANT BE DETECTED BY RADAR. .
Why they invented the B-2 Bomber then? O.o its invisible to RADAR.. when Jets cant be seen by Radar why they invent a Jet thats invisible to RADAR anyways...

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