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If you heard McCain on Letterman last night you would have swore he was a Dem. Maybe he was playing to the audience.

ATG wrote:

I am gay on Obama.

He has a tendency to do that. Handsome, young male with an empowering presence.
I, however, am still not quite sure about this election. But I'm pretty sure I'll end up voting Obama in the primary, and then again if he beats Hillary.

ATG-

#1 All Republicans and Democrats are screwing over this country.

#2 Why obcess on Bush and use that as a reason to vote for someone who is just as bad or worse because they have a (D) behind their name on the ballot.  If Clinton controlled both houses he would have fucked us over just as bad.  After 9-11 (remember that) the stock market crashed and the US was IN A REAL RECESSION unlike now.  Remember the end of the Clinton administration, that was a real recession.  Now you notice how fucked the economy is when a Republican is in the white house so you want to vote for a Democrat thinking that is the solution????  WTF, you are smarter than that.  You are going to let the 2 party system play you for a fool.  shit yeah, obama is different, yeah fucking right they are all for change and not part of the system during election year.  Jesus fucking christ he is a senator from Illinios in the Dem party, you can't be more of the problem than that.  Great, now you can give the Dems the House, Senate, and Presidency so they can fix every fucking thing just like bush did and Carter did!!!!!!  Way to enforce the STATUS QUO of the TWO PARTY SYSTEM.

3.  You just now realized how fucked the economy and housing market is in California?  So now you are pissed, you are about to have your ass handed to you and realized this is a country of haves and havenots.  Well, get the fuck out of California because that is the problem.  California politics are ground zero for liberal stupidity AND the fleecing of America by the powerful.  Look around, you made a mistake and bought into the Idea that a roof over your head was worth indebting yourself at the rate of $2500 a month for the rest of your life.  Well fuck me up a pole you are not the only one and now many many people are fucked by the powerful in the banking institutions that write the rules with their puppets in the Republican AND Democratic parties.

4.  You are smart.  Research ways to unscrew yourself and get out of California.  It rains for 8 months out of the fucking year here in Oregon and I need new gutters dammit.  Why the fuck are you selling gutters in a place where it doesn't rain anyway????

ATG wrote:

usmarine wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Why, coz you are better now?

no, coz his actions helped lead to this mess.  now go away clinton fanboi

Ah marine.
You blame all ills on the ' failure ' of the Clinton years to address the Islamic terrorist when in fact the republicans have used the threat of that group to explode the size and powers of the government. The economy is shit because of George Bushs hand in deflating the dollar by cutting taxes while almost doubling non military discretionary spending , printing money like toilet paper and failing to make the Iraqis pay for their own liberation by seizure of oil to compensate the U.S. tax payer.

While oil companies report record profits, not gross revenues, the average American is being squeezed in the wallet at the pump and at the grocery stores because of jackassed ethonal policies that are creating havok worldwide, while home values plummet and mortgages becoming unworkable for hundreds of thousands because of shady bank dealings under W's watch.

Bill Clinton didn't have much of anything to do with any of the above and until so called republicans reject and renounce the empire building and reckless spending they are doomed to failure. George Bush outspent every president up and possibly including FDR on social programs and such.
His a liberal and a war monger. who needs both?

If the republicans consider George Bush a conservative and McCain is the best they got to offer I'll take my chances on a radical bro.

The primary reason the dollars has been deflating is the trade imbalance. The fed (which is not the President) cutting interest rates contributes as well. Historically the economy is cyclical. We had a housing boom from 2002-2006 after coming out of a recession. It is when the government interferes that they create a worse situation (see the great Depression). If they stuck to their role they wouldn't exacerbate the troubled economy. Both lenders and owners acted irresponsible when things were great. Instead of allowing the market to correct we now have the people who have been responsible being penalized by force. Stimulus plans are not funded by people who don't pay their mortgage. The original tax cuts created record revenue for the government (while fighting two wars, handling major hurricanes, and dealing with corporate scandals). Inflation and unemployment were also very low. The problem with Bush, and why he is a Neo-Con and not a Conservative, is that he spent without consequence. He increased the role of government and bureaucracy in Washington instead of paying attention to the repercussion. It's really the worst of both worlds. I can make a reasonable argument supporting tax cuts with fiscal responsibility. However when your President spends the way Bush has it is a completely self destructive concept all together. McCain is very similar to George in this way.

Oil companies are right inline with every other major industry when it comes to profit. If you look at how they have performed against the Dow average it's not much better. If a company doesn't have a "record profit year" every once in awhile they go out of business. Usually when they talk about record profits they use a currency amount, not a percent. So in order to keep pace with inflation and the increasingly higher cost of operating they must continuously set a higher goal. They have their profits built in years in advance. The greatest impacter, the price of oil per barrel is controlled overseas, not by them. If the profits were not a fixed number you would never see the prices come down (ever). It's easy to blame the logo you see starring you in the face as you dump your earned income into your gas tank. The truth of the matter is that it is much more complicated than that. I would however like to see them reinvest more of those profits into finding other places for renewable energy though.

I would say Obama was my favorite..........................till now.  No vote for you.

"Obama: I'd hire Gore"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080402/ap_ … obama_gore

It's not my fault that things are the way they are.

If McCain would be serious about the border I'd jump on the bandwagon.
He and Kennedy teamed up for  a sickening amnesty bill a few yearss back.
God only knows what he'd do as president.

My mistake...  sorry

Lotta_Drool wrote:

ATG wrote:

It's not my fault that things are the way they are.

If McCain would be serious about the border I'd jump on the bandwagon.
He and Kennedy teamed up for  a sickening amnesty bill a few yearss back.
God only knows what he'd do as president.

Don't give me that shit.  The Dems and Repubs are both courting the illegal vote and neither will do anything that might positively effect this country.  Notice I no longer refer to either party members by name, this is because they are just party robots that dress differently to confuse us.  It don't matter what they individually say, ( John Fucking Kerry said lots of shit depending on who he talked too ), it is all a fucking head game and you have been had by the oldest good cop bad cop routine ever.

Now go write " I will not be a sheeple in 2008 "  10 times in a post.  And no cutting and pasting!

Who are you voting for?  I'll admit that I'm not going to vote for any of the major candidates either, but I'm just curious if there's anyone you prefer outside of the big shots.

^^^^ It don't really fucking matter.  I will be voting Constitution Party and for President I will write in Ross Perot.

Constitution Party Mission Statement

The mission of the Constitution Party is to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity through the election, at all levels of government, of Constitution Party candidates who will uphold the principles of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States. It is our goal to limit the federal government to its delegated, enumerated, Constitutional functions and to restore American jurisprudence to its original Biblical common-law foundations.

Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2008-04-02 17:00:27)

Well, you've seen what law based on religion has done to the Middle East.  I can't say I'd want us to Christianize our law further anymore than I'd want Sharia Law.

usmarine wrote:

usmarine wrote:

I would say Obama was my favorite..........................till now.  No vote for you.

"Obama: I'd hire Gore"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080402/ap_ … obama_gore

This does not bother the obama supporters?  wow

Gore is a lot better than Karl Rove or Richard Perle.