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2008-04-03 16:50:36
Scorpion0x17
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Turquoise wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Funny how other countries immigrant populations don't cause half as much trouble.
I seriously hope you were being sarcastic.
Nope.

IRONCHEF wrote:


And how do you know what other country's tolerance is of neighboring country's immigrants is?  Oh that's right, you couldn't POSSIBLY know such a thing unless you lived in those countries, read their press paying attention to articles regarding immigration.  For a start, try checking out the western neighboring countries of Sudan.
Well, I was talking about the country I do know something about, from living here.
I'd say that Green Lane Mosque is a can of worms in and of itself.  As Wahhabism grows in your country, you may feel differently later.
[sarcasm]you couldn't POSSIBLY know such a thing unless you lived in this country, read our press paying attention to articles regarding green lane mosque[/sarcasm]

And even then, you probably wouldn't get a true picture - IMO, the 'Green Lane Mosque issue' is mostly a 'tabloid bullshit fuelled propaganda issue'.
2008-04-03 16:52:26
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6831|North Carolina

IRONCHEF wrote:

The problem with vigilantes on the border (what is that group called, "minutemen?") or minefields or walls...is the friggen peta goobs (peta, but for humans) who go out there with water and food to feed the poor, starving, famished human traffickers..and get stabbed after providing water.  If they get shot or blown up by a mine...then it gets worse.  They should get aiding and abetting terrorists and thrown in Mexican prison.
Pretty much...  anyone stupid enough to aid people that are burdening our systems deserve charges of treason.
2008-04-03 16:54:23
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6917|Northern California

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

[sarcasm]you couldn't POSSIBLY know such a thing unless you lived in this country, read our press paying attention to articles regarding green lane mosque[/sarcasm]

And even then, you probably wouldn't get a true picture - IMO, the 'Green Lane Mosque issue' is mostly a 'tabloid bullshit fuelled propaganda issue'.
Hey, hey, hey there..don't be misquoting me.  I didn't say "this" country, I said "those" countries which you claimed didn't have immigration problems.

We all know what would happen if you guys had real immigration problems..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NikEQy1XxDE

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2008-04-03 16:55:15
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6831|North Carolina

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

[sarcasm]you couldn't POSSIBLY know such a thing unless you lived in this country, read our press paying attention to articles regarding green lane mosque[/sarcasm]

And even then, you probably wouldn't get a true picture - IMO, the 'Green Lane Mosque issue' is mostly a 'tabloid bullshit fuelled propaganda issue'.
Hey, I understand why you brought up Ironchef's quote, but seriously...  I watched that episode of Dispatches and did some research.  The general gist of what I've read seems to suggest that your government may be watching these extremists closely, but publicly, it's like they are apologizing for noticing.
2008-04-03 17:01:04
Scorpion0x17
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+691|7192|Cambridge (UK)

IRONCHEF wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

[sarcasm]you couldn't POSSIBLY know such a thing unless you lived in this country, read our press paying attention to articles regarding green lane mosque[/sarcasm]

And even then, you probably wouldn't get a true picture - IMO, the 'Green Lane Mosque issue' is mostly a 'tabloid bullshit fuelled propaganda issue'.
Hey, hey, hey there..don't be misquoting me.  I didn't say "this" country, I said "those" countries which you claimed didn't have immigration problems.
"other countries" as in "this country in which I live" as opposed to "that country in which you live".

IRONCHEF wrote:

We all know what would happen if you guys had real immigration problems..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NikEQy1XxDE
EH?

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2008-04-03 17:01:17
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6955|Global Command

IRONCHEF wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

[sarcasm]you couldn't POSSIBLY know such a thing unless you lived in this country, read our press paying attention to articles regarding green lane mosque[/sarcasm]

And even then, you probably wouldn't get a true picture - IMO, the 'Green Lane Mosque issue' is mostly a 'tabloid bullshit fuelled propaganda issue'.
Hey, hey, hey there..don't be misquoting me.  I didn't say "this" country, I said "those" countries which you claimed didn't have immigration problems.

We all know what would happen if you guys had real immigration problems..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NikEQy1XxDE
imbed ftw noob
2008-04-03 17:04:49
Scorpion0x17
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Turquoise wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

[sarcasm]you couldn't POSSIBLY know such a thing unless you lived in this country, read our press paying attention to articles regarding green lane mosque[/sarcasm]

And even then, you probably wouldn't get a true picture - IMO, the 'Green Lane Mosque issue' is mostly a 'tabloid bullshit fuelled propaganda issue'.
Hey, I understand why you brought up Ironchef's quote, but seriously...  I watched that episode of Dispatches and did some research.  The general gist of what I've read seems to suggest that your government may be watching these extremists closely, but publicly, it's like they are apologizing for noticing.
They're watching but they're doing nothing - does that not tell you something about how worried they are (not)?

I also saw that episode of Dispatches, I've also seen and read lots of other stuff about this apparent 'problem'.

And, from what I see, the tabloids are stirring up shit. 'Cos that's what our tabloids do.

Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2008-04-03 17:05:22)

2008-04-03 17:07:03
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6917|Northern California
can't figure out how to embed youtube.  i tried [youtube][/youtube] but didn't work.

And dammit scorpion, you've changed what I've said.

YOU said that other countries don't have half as much immigration problems or don't make half as much complaint as americans..(too lazy to look).

I SAID you couldn't possibly know that unless you've lived in those countries (meaning ALL countries of the world) and saw it...

I see now that you're only claiming to know of your UK immigration problems, and left alone what I was really saying because i was right..you, or anyone, could not possibly know what other countries go through regarding immigration problems unless you lived there, etc.

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2008-04-03 17:08:03
HurricaИe
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Also, before people start pulling out this card... I'm not saying IMMIGRATION is bad. This country was built on immigrants by immigrants. Shit, I'm an immigrant.

But I mean legal immigrants. Chances are if you want to go through the process legally, you don't want to break the laws once you're in the country. If someone wants to make an honest living here, to chase that American Dream, then we should let them be able to. I can speak from first hand experience that the current system has failed. As I said in another topic, I'm a 16 year old Canadian boy. If you wiretapped me, you'd see me talking about "lulz" and "mup da doo didda po mo gub be dat tum muhfugen bix nood." By anyone's standards I'm not a threat to this country and I should be admitted.

But instead it's taken me over a year (and a thousand or so dollars) to go through this process. And I still don't have my green card. I can't imagine that work visas are much different. Asides from securing our borders, we need to make the immigration process faster, cheaper, and at the same time safer for us.
2008-04-03 17:09:46
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6831|North Carolina

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

[sarcasm]you couldn't POSSIBLY know such a thing unless you lived in this country, read our press paying attention to articles regarding green lane mosque[/sarcasm]

And even then, you probably wouldn't get a true picture - IMO, the 'Green Lane Mosque issue' is mostly a 'tabloid bullshit fuelled propaganda issue'.
Hey, I understand why you brought up Ironchef's quote, but seriously...  I watched that episode of Dispatches and did some research.  The general gist of what I've read seems to suggest that your government may be watching these extremists closely, but publicly, it's like they are apologizing for noticing.
They're watching but they're doing nothing - does that not tell you something about how worried they are (not)?

I also saw that episode of Dispatches, I've also seen and read lots of other stuff about this apparent 'problem'.

And, from what I see, the tabloids are stirring up shit. 'Cos that's what our tabloids do.
I understand your tabloids probably make ours look tame, but then again, I think maybe your government just likes to be more discrete than ours.  This is a good thing for the most part.  I just wish they'd be a little more vocal in their condemnation of extremism.
2008-04-03 17:10:16
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
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HurricaИe wrote:

Shit, I'm an immigrant
go back
2008-04-03 17:14:36
Poseidon
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+3,253|6964|Long Island, New York
Huge wall ain't gonna do shit. You can ask the Germans about the Maginot Line. Didn't stop them!

I like what I heard was planned - high tech radar, electric fields and other high tech plans that will be used to track infrared signals passing over the border.

Sounds like it'd work best.
2008-04-03 17:16:34
HurricaИe
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Poseidon wrote:

Huge wall ain't gonna do shit. You can ask the Germans about the Maginot Line. Didn't stop them!

I like what I heard was planned - high tech radar, electric fields and other high tech plans that will be used to track infrared signals passing over the border.

Sounds like it'd work best.
Use that as well in addition to a wall? With a properly reformed immigration process, it'd probably be easier to wait out a few months than try digging a hole under a wall, then trying to evade some sort of guard.

@GS I once got in a bit of an argument with la migra

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2008-04-03 17:23:52
KEN-JENNINGS
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MS-13 are notorious for entering illegally and/or getting deported on purpose.  It is a problem, but then again, when you have 13 tattooed on your face it doesn't make it very hard to identify you - although I read some time ago that MS-13 was moving from blue-collar street crime to extortion and more white-collar crimes, and part of that process was dressing and acting more inconspicuous.

I've crossed the Mexican border more times than I can count.  I've been stopped once, and I had illegal fireworks in the trunk that they didn't even take.  Thousands of containers and trucks pass through our ports and checkpoints daily, and a small fraction of those are searched.  The whole notion of border security is a joke, and rhetoric most any politician spouts about securing the border is nonsense.  Too many people at the top (power elite) benefit from illegal immigration and lax border security for any significant change to happen on a federal level.  This is going to be a state issue, with border states leading the charge.

It's spelled "moat".  A "mote" is a small piece of something.

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2008-04-03 17:29:57
Scorpion0x17
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IRONCHEF wrote:

dammit scorpion, you've changed what I've said.
Yes, I did, that's why I didn't quote it. I was, what we brits call 'taking the piss'.

IRONCHEF wrote:

YOU said that other countries don't have half as much immigration problems
That is correct. As I said before, and I think you now get, 'other countries' as in 'my country'.

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2008-04-03 17:49:40
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7027|132 and Bush

Lotta_Drool wrote:

^^^^  Are you voting for a Dem or Republican this year.  You know neither party will secure the borders and the Dems want to make things worse.
Here is an interesting take.
http://media.putfile.com/Phil-Politics
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-04-03 17:59:59
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7047|London, England

jord wrote:

Yeah... Erm... No.

I live on an Island. My wall is miles and miles of sea. It doesn't stop someone set on entering your country... You'd have to make the wall 50 feet underground, 100 feet above ground and 10 feet thick. Then you might see a reduction in illegals, not a complete stop.
Most immigration here is legal, becuase we're practicality open to anyone and have extremely relaxed nulab/EU  immigration laws. So everyone comes here legally through air/sea ports.

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2008-04-03 18:00:10
GorillaKing798
Too legit to quit
+48|6541|Tampa, Florida

Turquoise wrote:

GorillaKing798 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

*shrugs*  We could just issue a federal order saying feds and police have the right to shoot and kill all MS-13 members on sight.  It wouldn't end the problem, but it would certainly scare the shit out of them.  If INS was authorized to defend the border with an all-encompassing lethal force, half of the thugs wouldn't even make it into the U.S.

Note also that a minefield stretching across the Mexican border would be cheaper and more effective than a wall.
How true is that, we continue to try and be ethical and it produces no results. When we do find an illegal immigrant, we put them on a bus *sarcasm* hand them a bag lunch /sarcasm and see them on their way so they can try again later. Unethical solutions  are sometimes the most practical and effective to ending our issues. However would the minefield idea hold up when gang members start using women and children to be scouts and what not?
Well, that depends on how much brutality we can stomach.  Sometimes it becomes a matter of brutality vs. brutality...  kill or be killed.  Since most people don't like to admit that, I'm pretty sure the minefield thing wouldn't happen.  I mentioned it in a half-jesting way.
I understood the sarcasm, but really it is a viable solution if people could as you said "stomach it"
2008-04-04 10:20:18
The#1Spot
Member
+105|6966|byah
I really doubt Texans are willing to pay a massive increase in taxes to fund for a wall.
2008-04-04 10:55:09
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
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HurricaИe wrote:

This makes me want a large wall on the border, possibly with a mote
Moat.
2008-04-04 11:11:36
topal63
. . .
+533|7145

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

MS-13 are notorious for entering illegally and/or getting deported on purpose.  It is a problem, but then again, when you have 13 tattooed on your face it doesn't make it very hard to identify you - although I read some time ago that MS-13 was moving from blue-collar street crime to extortion and more white-collar crimes, and part of that process was dressing and acting more inconspicuous.

I've crossed the Mexican border more times than I can count.  I've been stopped once, and I had illegal fireworks in the trunk that they didn't even take.  Thousands of containers and trucks pass through our ports and checkpoints daily, and a small fraction of those are searched.  The whole notion of border security is a joke, and rhetoric most any politician spouts about securing the border is nonsense.  Too many people at the top (power elite) benefit from illegal immigration and lax border security for any significant change to happen on a federal level.  This is going to be a state issue, with border states leading the charge.

It's spelled "moat".  A "mote" is a small piece of something.
Another tragedy is the waste. All those kids with no direction in life turning to gangs as a replacement/substitute/fulfillment of: family, a reason to be/live, social acceptance into a group, and the like.

A directionless life + not identifying with or being accepted by the larger majority group + poor reading skills/English skills + a general lack of education + poor supervision/parental support + bleak economic outlook/future/pessimism about the future = easy pickings; easy recruitment; indoctrination into a gang.

PS: Motes most famous use, I think? "And why does thou beholdest the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the plank that is in thy own?"

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2008-04-04 11:21:02
loubot
O' HAL naw!
+470|7005|Columbus, OH
Is deporting to Australia still a viable option?
2008-04-05 02:45:38
BVC
Member
+325|7122

jord wrote:

Yeah... Erm... No.

I live on an Island. My wall is miles and miles of sea. It doesn't stop someone set on entering your country... You'd have to make the wall 50 feet underground, 100 feet above ground and 10 feet thick. Then you might see a reduction in illegals, not a complete stop.
Even being on an island at the arse-end of nowhere doesn't completely eliminate it.

 

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