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Kmarion wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I thought we were talking about accepting diversity in our society. If you are going to expand it to wrongful actions in general than yes, we are very similar. I'm saying that America would have never become the power it is if our ancestors didn't quickly relinquish the old world ideology. Our willingness to accept each other (on the whole) was expedited... out of necessity mind you. It is the only way we could have competed against the established superpowers at the time.

Europeans hold their history, culture, heritage and differences dear to their heart and rejoice in them. We value them and we will always value them. The culture of America is one of diversity by necessity as you stated - but it did not arrive there easily. America did have to cross that bridge of pummelling fellow American into submission in your civil war to mould the modern America. You just crossed that bridge about 80 years before Europe did.

The US seems intolerant of political positions whereas Europe tends to be intolerant of ethnic minorities getting too large or influential (politically/economically).

It was actually around the civil war that we had the first confrontations with the influx of immigrants. This is about the time Americans started to take issue with the continuous flood of immigrants. The civil war actually detracted from (the native) cause. The Irish and others were literally taken off the ships in New York and told to sign (or mark) two papers. One for citizenship, and one to enlist in the Union. They were immediately shipped to the front lines. Watch Gangs of New York if you ever get the chance. It contains a good amount of historical accuracy tbh.

Or better yet: http://www.amazon.com/Five-Points-Tyler … y_b_text_b
http://www.amazon.com/Gangs-New-York-In … 1560252758

Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2008-04-07 13:09:40)

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Europeans hold their history, culture, heritage and differences dear to their heart and rejoice in them. We value them and we will always value them. The culture of America is one of diversity by necessity as you stated - but it did not arrive there easily. America did have to cross that bridge of pummelling fellow American into submission in your civil war to mould the modern America. You just crossed that bridge about 80 years before Europe did.

The US seems intolerant of political positions whereas Europe tends to be intolerant of ethnic minorities getting too large or influential (politically/economically).

It was actually around the civil war that we had the first confrontations with the influx of immigrants. This is about the time Americans started to take issue with the continuous flood of immigrants. The civil war actually detracted from (the native) cause. The Irish and others were literally taken off the ships in New York and told to sign (or mark) two papers. One for citizenship, and one to enlist in the Union. They were immediately shipped to the front lines. Watch Gangs of New York if you ever get the chance. It contains a good amount of historical accuracy tbh.

Or better yet: http://www.amazon.com/Five-Points-Tyler … y_b_text_b
http://www.amazon.com/Gangs-New-York-In … 1560252758

youre right.  But I would find problems with immigration were going on a bit before the civil war.   The Irish were considered as low as the African American in terms of value to society, before 1861.   


even california had something called the "greaser act"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greaser_Act


also,  mormon travel west wasnt because of assimilation with normal, protestant, American society.  but thats more to do with religious persecution than immigration concerns, although I think they might share the same root of hatred.


in fact, could you not say the anger towards the irish had a lot to do with catholicism

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

do you think it was more of a persecution of catholics than it was a persecution of irish?  wondering what your thoughts are.

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

do you think it was more of a persecution of catholics than it was a persecution of irish?  wondering what your thoughts are.