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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,347212,00.html

"The Internet could soon be made obsolete. The scientists who pioneered it have now built a lightning-fast replacement capable of downloading entire feature films within seconds.

At speeds about 10,000 times faster than a typical broadband connection, “the grid” will be able to send the entire Rolling Stones back catalogue from Britain to Japan in less than two seconds.

The latest spin-off from Cern, the particle physics centre that created the web, the grid could also provide the kind of power needed to transmit holographic images; allow instant online gaming with hundreds of thousands of players; and offer high-definition video telephony for the price of a local call.

David Britton, professor of physics at Glasgow University and a leading figure in the grid project, believes grid technologies could “revolutionise” society. “With this kind of computing power, future generations will have the ability to collaborate and communicate in ways older people like me cannot even imagine,” he said.

The power of the grid will become apparent this summer after what scientists at Cern have termed their “red button” day - the switching-on of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), the new particle accelerator built to probe the origin of the universe. The grid will be activated at the same time to capture the data it generates."

THIS MEANS NO LAG IN GAMING!!!

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sexecuti0ner wrote:

omg serch noob
omg i couldn't http://forums.bf2s.com/search.php

And learn to spell.

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sexecuti0ner wrote:

omg serch noob
gtfo form tech section nub. we like double posts/threads here
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And I'll say again that this is horrible journalism.

Is it really that surprising that you can throw a lot of money at something and make it good? It's like saying that because Lamborghinis are fast and get you from point A to point B faster than you could in a normal car, Lamborghinis could "soon make regular cars obsolete". Ridiculous.
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mikkel wrote:

And I'll say again that this is horrible journalism.

Is it really that surprising that you can throw a lot of money at something and make it good? It's like saying that because Lamborghinis are fast and get you from point A to point B faster than you could in a normal car, Lamborghinis could "soon make regular cars obsolete". Ridiculous.
Yeah but lambo's cant get you there cheaper, which is half the story here.

Glasgow uni ahahahaha fantastic.

Martyn
mikkel
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Bell wrote:

mikkel wrote:

And I'll say again that this is horrible journalism.

Is it really that surprising that you can throw a lot of money at something and make it good? It's like saying that because Lamborghinis are fast and get you from point A to point B faster than you could in a normal car, Lamborghinis could "soon make regular cars obsolete". Ridiculous.
Yeah but lambo's cant get you there cheaper, which is half the story here.

Glasgow uni ahahahaha fantastic.

Martyn
How do you propose that this would be cheaper than the Internet?
Bell
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mikkel wrote:

Bell wrote:

mikkel wrote:

And I'll say again that this is horrible journalism.

Is it really that surprising that you can throw a lot of money at something and make it good? It's like saying that because Lamborghinis are fast and get you from point A to point B faster than you could in a normal car, Lamborghinis could "soon make regular cars obsolete". Ridiculous.
Yeah but lambo's cant get you there cheaper, which is half the story here.

Glasgow uni ahahahaha fantastic.

Martyn
How do you propose that this would be cheaper than the Internet?
Just on the face value of

''offer high-definition video telephony for the price of a local call''

Martyn
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ReDevilJR wrote:

The power of the grid will become apparent this summer after what scientists at Cern have termed their “red button” day - the switching-on of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC)....
to me this sounds like Skynet...
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Bell wrote:

mikkel wrote:

Bell wrote:

Yeah but lambo's cant get you there cheaper, which is half the story here.

Glasgow uni ahahahaha fantastic.

Martyn
How do you propose that this would be cheaper than the Internet?
Just on the face value of

''offer high-definition video telephony for the price of a local call''

Martyn
So you think it costs money to transmit individual bits across a network medium? There's no cost to network transmission. The only cost is the cost that makes the business case for operating networks, and I can assure you that they haven't found a way to make that disappear.

These guys haven't magically found a way to make things cheaper for everyone. They just have huge volumes of data, and setting up a closed off network with very likely exactly the same sort of networking hardware that you'd find in any equally funded Internet network of a similar size is apparently a cheaper solution for them than buying transit traffic or leasing lines to connect each of their sites.

Last edited by mikkel (2008-04-08 03:25:38)

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mikkel wrote:

Bell wrote:

mikkel wrote:


How do you propose that this would be cheaper than the Internet?
Just on the face value of

''offer high-definition video telephony for the price of a local call''

Martyn
So you think it costs money to transmit individual bits across a network medium? There's no cost to network transmission. The only cost is the cost that makes the business case for operating networks, and I can assure you that they haven't found a way to make that disappear.

These guys haven't magically found a way to make things cheaper for everyone. They just have huge volumes of data, and setting up a closed off network with very likely exactly the same sort of networking hardware that you'd find in any equally funded Internet network of a similar size is apparently a cheaper solution for them than buying transit traffic or leasing lines to connect each of their sites.
I never stated that, my point was being able to transfer large volumes of data at a much great speed (supposedly), between points would work out cheaper for an organisation in terms of the hold haddiage ''time equals money''.  Using the quote of ''offer high-definition video telephony for the price of a local call'' was purely to illustrate that point.  I never stated using this would be cheaper for you and me to game on or that transfering data cost money per byte.

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ReDevilJR wrote:

sexecuti0ner wrote:

omg serch noob
omg i couldn't http://forums.bf2s.com/search.php

And learn to spell.
pwnt tbh
mikkel
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Bell wrote:

mikkel wrote:

Bell wrote:


Just on the face value of

''offer high-definition video telephony for the price of a local call''

Martyn
So you think it costs money to transmit individual bits across a network medium? There's no cost to network transmission. The only cost is the cost that makes the business case for operating networks, and I can assure you that they haven't found a way to make that disappear.

These guys haven't magically found a way to make things cheaper for everyone. They just have huge volumes of data, and setting up a closed off network with very likely exactly the same sort of networking hardware that you'd find in any equally funded Internet network of a similar size is apparently a cheaper solution for them than buying transit traffic or leasing lines to connect each of their sites.
I never stated that, my point was being able to transfer large volumes of data at a much great speed (supposedly), between points would work out cheaper for an organisation in terms of the hold haddiage ''time equals money''.  Using the quote of ''offer high-definition video telephony for the price of a local call'' was purely to illustrate that point.  I never stated using this would be cheaper for you and me to game on or that transfering data cost money per byte.

Martyn
You can already transfer large volumes of data across the Internet at immense rates of throughput. This sort of network requires a big investment, and a good number of very large companies already run networks like these. There are no technological advances involved in this, no great new idea. Technologically, this is exactly the same as the Internet, it's just an internal network built with the same components. This isn't cheaper as a replacement for the current Internet infrastructure. At all.

I'm having difficulty finding basis for any of the claims stated. Mainly because they're absolutely stupid.
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mikkel wrote:

Bell wrote:

mikkel wrote:


So you think it costs money to transmit individual bits across a network medium? There's no cost to network transmission. The only cost is the cost that makes the business case for operating networks, and I can assure you that they haven't found a way to make that disappear.

These guys haven't magically found a way to make things cheaper for everyone. They just have huge volumes of data, and setting up a closed off network with very likely exactly the same sort of networking hardware that you'd find in any equally funded Internet network of a similar size is apparently a cheaper solution for them than buying transit traffic or leasing lines to connect each of their sites.
I never stated that, my point was being able to transfer large volumes of data at a much great speed (supposedly), between points would work out cheaper for an organisation in terms of the hold haddiage ''time equals money''.  Using the quote of ''offer high-definition video telephony for the price of a local call'' was purely to illustrate that point.  I never stated using this would be cheaper for you and me to game on or that transfering data cost money per byte.

Martyn
You can already transfer large volumes of data across the Internet at immense rates of throughput. This sort of network requires a big investment, and a good number of very large companies already run networks like these. There are no technological advances involved in this, no great new idea. Technologically, this is exactly the same as the Internet, it's just an internal network built with the same components. This isn't cheaper as a replacement for the current Internet infrastructure. At all.

I'm having difficulty finding basis for any of the claims stated. Mainly because they're absolutely stupid.
So, your internet can do this:

At speeds about 10,000 times faster than a typical broadband connection, “the grid” will be able to send the entire Rolling Stones back catalogue from Britain to Japan in less than two seconds.
Fascinating.
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CrazeD wrote:

mikkel wrote:

Bell wrote:

I never stated that, my point was being able to transfer large volumes of data at a much great speed (supposedly), between points would work out cheaper for an organisation in terms of the hold haddiage ''time equals money''.  Using the quote of ''offer high-definition video telephony for the price of a local call'' was purely to illustrate that point.  I never stated using this would be cheaper for you and me to game on or that transfering data cost money per byte.

Martyn
You can already transfer large volumes of data across the Internet at immense rates of throughput. This sort of network requires a big investment, and a good number of very large companies already run networks like these. There are no technological advances involved in this, no great new idea. Technologically, this is exactly the same as the Internet, it's just an internal network built with the same components. This isn't cheaper as a replacement for the current Internet infrastructure. At all.

I'm having difficulty finding basis for any of the claims stated. Mainly because they're absolutely stupid.
So, your internet can do this:

At speeds about 10,000 times faster than a typical broadband connection, “the grid” will be able to send the entire Rolling Stones back catalogue from Britain to Japan in less than two seconds.
Fascinating.
Yes. It can.

Last edited by mikkel (2008-04-08 05:22:58)

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mikkel wrote:

Yes. It can.
so show your 10,000 times faster connection than the rest of the world has or stop talking bs...

well, at least I would love to have 10,000 faster connection... feel free to use your current one when we rest have such leet thing.

edit: technology innovations ftw... otherwise I wouldn't be here typing this with modern pc...

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2008-04-08 05:33:59)

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GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

mikkel wrote:

Yes. It can.
so show your 10,000 times faster connection than the rest of the world has or stop talking bs...

well, at least I would love to have 10,000 faster connection... feel free to use your current one when we rest have such leet thing.

edit: technology innovations ftw... otherwise I wouldn't be here typing this with modern pc...
He's got some gigabit-fiberoptical thingy, he works for some ISP or shit.

I have to agree with mikkel at most points, though, as this basically just is fiberoptic networking, which is 10 000 times faster than a "standard" megabit broadband connection. It's been like that for a long time.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
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Optics is so cheap here

        10 Megabitov / sek. simetrično    14 €
    20 Megabitov / sek. simetrično    28 €
    50 Megabitov / sek. simetrično    50 €
    100 Megabitov / sek. simetrično    100 €
    200 Megabitov / sek. simetrično    200 €
    300 Megabitov / sek. simetrično    300 €
    500 Megabitov / sek. simetrično    500 €
    1 Gigabit / sek. simetrično    1000 €

simetric means 10 down 10 up, 20 down 20 up so good upload speeds too.
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GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

mikkel wrote:

Yes. It can.
so show your 10,000 times faster connection than the rest of the world has or stop talking bs...

well, at least I would love to have 10,000 faster connection... feel free to use your current one when we rest have such leet thing.

edit: technology innovations ftw... otherwise I wouldn't be here typing this with modern pc...
I said the Internet, not my private connection. A connection 10,000 times faster than my current connection in my home would be a 250Gbps connection, and let me assure you that such a connection on a segment that far, barring multiplexing, does not exist anywhere in the world. Period.

The best you can hope for across that distance is a 10Gbps connection, and it would cost exactly the same for me to establish that sort of circuit as it would for them. There is absolutely no technological innovation involved in establishing a private network across optical links.

I'm a network engineer employed with an ISP. If we suddenly decided that there was a business case for establishing a 10Gbps link to Japan, there would be little to it beyond the investment. We have equipment with 10Gbps interfaces located in a facility that also houses a fistful of tier 1 providers that could set up a circuit from there to Tokyo, and through that we could send however many Rolling Stones catalogues, Libraries of Congress, or whatever other pointless metric through it as we saw fit.

I will repeat myself again. This is absolutely not revolutionary in anyway. There are no technological innovations involved in this. It's simply a big project with a big budget.

Last edited by mikkel (2008-04-08 05:50:09)

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but if I get cheap super fast network connection thanks to this I'm all in.edit: some ppl don't have those 100MB connection meh... mine is only 1MB...

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GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

but if I get cheap super fast network connection thanks to this I'm all in.edit: some ppl don't have those 100MB connection meh... mine is only 1MB...
How would you get that for cheap? How would you even convince anyone to lay fibre to your home? How do you think the network would perform when congested with hundreds of millions of households? I'll give you a hint on that last one. The Internet.
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mikkel wrote:

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

but if I get cheap super fast network connection thanks to this I'm all in.edit: some ppl don't have those 100MB connection meh... mine is only 1MB...
How would you get that for cheap? How would you even convince anyone to lay fibre to your home? How do you think the network would perform when congested with hundreds of millions of households? I'll give you a hint on that last one. The Internet.
LOL I think it would beat my current conenction hands down, don't you think?.... and I'll move to a big city soon so yeah. I expect to have fast connections around.

edit: and wtf is this projects goal then if not make fast connections available to "main steam"?

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GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

mikkel wrote:

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

but if I get cheap super fast network connection thanks to this I'm all in.edit: some ppl don't have those 100MB connection meh... mine is only 1MB...
How would you get that for cheap? How would you even convince anyone to lay fibre to your home? How do you think the network would perform when congested with hundreds of millions of households? I'll give you a hint on that last one. The Internet.
LOL I think it would beat my current conenction hands down, don't you think?.... and I'll move to a big city soon so yeah. I expect to have fast connections around.

edit: and wtf is this projects goal then if not make fast connections available to "main steam"?
It wouldn't beat what's available in the market today.

Geographically separated distributed computing is the purpose of this network. It's shoddy journalism that makes it sound like some sort of internetworking revolution.

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