usmarine
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Secondly, part of having good debating skills is quoting one's sources, whatever sources they may be.
well duh.  but not just cut and paste in order to prove something.  which is all we do here anyway.

Last edited by usmarine (2008-04-10 12:40:12)

jord
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Phrozenbot wrote:

jord wrote:

Phrozenbot wrote:


Some people need new hobbies. Seems like all they do is troll on D&ST. If people talked the way they do around here in the BF2 section I could imagine a lot more bans being handed out.
What does that shitty section have to do with anything?


Also, if you can't handle the cold then get out of Siberia.
What does it have to do? It's one reason why BF2s has BF2 in its name.

Apparently some of you didn't see my point. Spam is spam in the BF2 section. Spam is not spam in D&ST. Insults are insults in the BF2 section. Insults are not insults in this section. Get it? I may not post as much as I read here, but this is just my observation. Personally I try to take what a lot of people say with a grain of salt around here, but should we take the rules with a grain of salt too? Not suggesting we should be strict nazis.

Rules.
I guess there's a slightly laxer policy here being... Well supposed to be a mature section, in which pretty much everyone can accept insults and carry on. I don't go in the bf2 section anyway.

I also don't need a link to the rules, I think I've been here long enough to know them like the top of my Dick.
usmarine
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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

I just like talking shit.  ban me.
no boom boom soul brotha
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
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usmarine wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

I just like talking shit.  ban me.
no boom boom soul brotha
too buku eh
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Scorpion0x17
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usmarine wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Secondly, part of having good debating skills is quoting one's sources, whatever sources they may be.
well duh.  but not just cut and paste in order to prove something.  which is all we do here anyway.
You might. I, for one, don't. I, and I believe others, use quotes where and as appropriate, not just in a slap-dash cut-and-paste manner.
usmarine
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Secondly, part of having good debating skills is quoting one's sources, whatever sources they may be.
well duh.  but not just cut and paste in order to prove something.  which is all we do here anyway.
You might. I, for one, don't. I, and I believe others, use quotes where and as appropriate, not just in a slap-dash cut-and-paste manner.
no, not really.

You cant debate when you have infinite access to the web, that proves nothing.  Verbal debate, which is a real debate, makes you actually study about a subject.
Lotta_Drool
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" Fuck all you Muslim Bitchers " is the title of a thread here.

I think all thread titles should be labeled clearly like this one.  Notice how it becons me to enter it while driving away the more sensitive people in the forum that fear getting their feelers hurt.

and of course I busted in the door of this thread only to be let down by the OP, that reminds me I need to go back in that thread and flame him for the weak post.
Shocking
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Lotta_Drool wrote:

" Fuck all you Muslim Bitchers " is the title of a thread here.

I think all thread titles should be labeled clearly like this one.  Notice how it becons me to enter it while driving away the more sensitive people in the forum that fear getting their feelers hurt.

and of course I busted in the door of this thread only to be let down by the OP, that reminds me I need to go back in that thread and flame him for the weak post.
muslims will take over the world
inane little opines
Lotta_Drool
Spit
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dayarath wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

" Fuck all you Muslim Bitchers " is the title of a thread here.

I think all thread titles should be labeled clearly like this one.  Notice how it becons me to enter it while driving away the more sensitive people in the forum that fear getting their feelers hurt.

and of course I busted in the door of this thread only to be let down by the OP, that reminds me I need to go back in that thread and flame him for the weak post.
muslims will take over the world
They're hiding under my bed stealing my socks.
Scorpion0x17
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usmarine wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

usmarine wrote:


well duh.  but not just cut and paste in order to prove something.  which is all we do here anyway.
You might. I, for one, don't. I, and I believe others, use quotes where and as appropriate, not just in a slap-dash cut-and-paste manner.
no, not really.

You cant debate when you have infinite access to the web, that proves nothing.  Verbal debate, which is a real debate, makes you actually study about a subject.
Access to the web just makes it easier, it doesn't invalidate the debate.

It's peoples attitude and approach to the debate that invalidates it.
usmarine
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:


You might. I, for one, don't. I, and I believe others, use quotes where and as appropriate, not just in a slap-dash cut-and-paste manner.
no, not really.

You cant debate when you have infinite access to the web, that proves nothing.  Verbal debate, which is a real debate, makes you actually study about a subject.
Access to the web just makes it easier, it doesn't invalidate the debate.

It's peoples attitude and approach to the debate that invalidates it.
if you say so
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:


You might. I, for one, don't. I, and I believe others, use quotes where and as appropriate, not just in a slap-dash cut-and-paste manner.
no, not really.

You cant debate when you have infinite access to the web, that proves nothing.  Verbal debate, which is a real debate, makes you actually study about a subject.
Access to the web just makes it easier, it doesn't invalidate the debate.

It's peoples attitude and approach to the debate that invalidates it.
I see debating as something in which you can test your knowledge and conversational skills. You're not supposed to have a whole library next to you when debating about stuff.
inane little opines
Scorpion0x17
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usmarine wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

usmarine wrote:


no, not really.

You cant debate when you have infinite access to the web, that proves nothing.  Verbal debate, which is a real debate, makes you actually study about a subject.
Access to the web just makes it easier, it doesn't invalidate the debate.

It's peoples attitude and approach to the debate that invalidates it.
if you say so
We're managing to have a civilised debate here, in between the children, aren't we?

Yet we both, clearly, have access to the web and could be 'copy-pasting' to back up our points.

So, you see, it can be done.
jord
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dayarath wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

usmarine wrote:


no, not really.

You cant debate when you have infinite access to the web, that proves nothing.  Verbal debate, which is a real debate, makes you actually study about a subject.
Access to the web just makes it easier, it doesn't invalidate the debate.

It's peoples attitude and approach to the debate that invalidates it.
I see debating as something in which you can test your knowledge and conversational skills. You're not supposed to have a whole library next to you when debating about stuff.
It's not something you can really control on the internet. I rarely copy and paste sources unless I make a thread, I go off personal feelings and experiances as well as common sense.
Scorpion0x17
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dayarath wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

usmarine wrote:


no, not really.

You cant debate when you have infinite access to the web, that proves nothing.  Verbal debate, which is a real debate, makes you actually study about a subject.
Access to the web just makes it easier, it doesn't invalidate the debate.

It's peoples attitude and approach to the debate that invalidates it.
I see debating as something in which you can test your knowledge and conversational skills. You're not supposed to have a whole library next to you when debating about stuff.
I see debating as something in which it's not a competition, but rather a journey, an exploration, if you will, of the subject matter as viewed from two or more points of view.
Pug
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:

I see debating as something in which it's not a competition, but rather a journey, an exploration, if you will, of the subject matter as viewed from two or more points of view.
*cough cough* lemme have some of that
Phrozenbot
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jord wrote:

Phrozenbot wrote:

jord wrote:

What does that shitty section have to do with anything?


Also, if you can't handle the cold then get out of Siberia.
What does it have to do? It's one reason why BF2s has BF2 in its name.

Apparently some of you didn't see my point. Spam is spam in the BF2 section. Spam is not spam in D&ST. Insults are insults in the BF2 section. Insults are not insults in this section. Get it? I may not post as much as I read here, but this is just my observation. Personally I try to take what a lot of people say with a grain of salt around here, but should we take the rules with a grain of salt too? Not suggesting we should be strict nazis.

Rules.
I guess there's a slightly laxer policy here being... Well supposed to be a mature section, in which pretty much everyone can accept insults and carry on. I don't go in the bf2 section anyway.

I also don't need a link to the rules, I think I've been here long enough to know them like the top of my Dick.
No, I agree there is a more laid back atmosphere here and I like that, but there is also an attitude around here that the rules don't seem to apply at times.

And I wasn't linking the rules to you specifically, just a friendly reminder to some of the people who misunderstood my first post.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6967|Texas - Bigger than France
does this forum need to have a purpose?

i like train wrecks
Lotta_Drool
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Pug wrote:

does this forum need to have a purpose?

i like train wrecks
I agree
Laika
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Is there anything wrong with insults on an internet forum? Surely insults do not contribute to serious talk but I dont feel there is a necessity to enforce a rule that bans them.
topthrill05
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After being here for 2 years almost, D&ST isn't what it used to be.

And yes it sucks compared to a year ago, but theres not much you can do anyway.
.Sup
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I think it means to be on the same level as this DST section with your replies.
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Flaming_Maniac
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Phrozenbot wrote:

jord wrote:

Phrozenbot wrote:


Some people need new hobbies. Seems like all they do is troll on D&ST. If people talked the way they do around here in the BF2 section I could imagine a lot more bans being handed out.
What does that shitty section have to do with anything?


Also, if you can't handle the cold then get out of Siberia.
What does it have to do? It's one reason why BF2s has BF2 in its name.

Apparently some of you didn't see my point. Spam is spam in the BF2 section. Spam is not spam in D&ST. Insults are insults in the BF2 section. Insults are not insults in this section. Get it? I may not post as much as I read here, but this is just my observation. Personally I try to take what a lot of people say with a grain of salt around here, but should we take the rules with a grain of salt too? Not suggesting we should be strict nazis.

Rules.
This. Emphasis mine.

The basic idea is that people that are in DAST tend to be more mature than say in the BF2 section, so as long as there is a decent reason for it calling someone a name or getting a little personal isn't as big of a deal, because we hope everyone should know this is just the internet here. I personally don't moderate this section like the others, for example a lot of spammy bullshit that gets a pass on the other forums I will delete/warn for here, just to keep the environment a little more serious. Seeing lolcats every other page isn't what most people want to see here, and we have other forums where you can get away with shit like that.

Conversely a lot of what would be considered flaming and personal attacks in other forums isn't as big of a deal here. I look at it as the people in the BF2 section just want an answer, or opinions, but if someone comes in here they should expect controversy. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen kind of thing.

Is that a free pass abuse the crap out of everyone because this is the "mature" section and everyone can handle it? No, we still want to maintain a decent environment, but we're also not going to baby any users here.
Phrozenbot
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Well you are sort of repeating a few points I've already said if you read up. Honestly I really don't care Flaming, but my thread got raped and after that a few other threads got raped, and apparently it's ok. So I'm just throwing my two cents in, and that's I think the rules are fairly meaningless here, even if I take what others say around here with a grain of salt. I've had insults thrown at me from people's signatures and just laugh at it, no big deal.

But like you said it's not a big deal and it seems that's the consensus with the moderators and I was simply voicing my opinion.

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