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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

I think it might have something to do with your legal system...  and the whole destruction of property law....

Yeah just like the city of SF wanting to deny the Marines from recruiting, it was a legal thing and had nothing to do with being city full of liberal apologists.

What on earth has that got to do with this. Also, I would be what you would regard as a liberal and I think the SF thing you just mentioned is completely retarded.

What it has to do with this is, the liberal mentality of being ashamed of patriotism.

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

What it has to do with this is, the liberal mentality of being ashamed of patriotism.

I think you are making a bit of a presumption on that count. I'm fiercely patriotic for instance.

I am generalizing of course, but, anti-military, supports flag burning, repulsed by individual achievement. Not too much there suggesting a love of country and the pursuit of the "American dream"

imortal wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

What it has to do with this is, the liberal mentality of being ashamed of patriotism.

I think you are making a bit of a presumption on that count. I'm fiercely patriotic for instance.

..yes, you are, Poe.  But you are patriotic for Ireland.

An American liberal is a completely different animal.

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And I think this guy's sentence should be that he buy them another flag, and they put it at an equal height or lower then the US flag.

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HurricaИe wrote:

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

imortal wrote:

..yes, you are, Poe.  But you are patriotic for Ireland.

An American liberal is a completely different animal.

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And I think this guy's sentence should be that he buy them another flag, and they put it at an equal height or lower then the US flag.

Wow. That looks like some shit straight out of Fallujah when they killed those 4 contractors. They're damned lucky they have the 1st Amendment... can we get an amendment giving us the right to knock the crap out of idiots?

Ya know what, if they hate this country so much why don't they get the fuck out? Send 'em all to North Korea or Iran or something.

Actually, what I find the most humorous is that the... gentlemen holding the "fuck the troops" sign have their faces covered.  Are they not proud enough of their beliefs to be recognized holding that sign?

imortal wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

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And I think this guy's sentence should be that he buy them another flag, and they put it at an equal height or lower then the US flag.

Wow. That looks like some shit straight out of Fallujah when they killed those 4 contractors. They're damned lucky they have the 1st Amendment... can we get an amendment giving us the right to knock the crap out of idiots?

Ya know what, if they hate this country so much why don't they get the fuck out? Send 'em all to North Korea or Iran or something.

Actually, what I find the most humorous is that the... gentlemen holding the "fuck the troops" sign have their faces covered.  Are they not proud enough of their beliefs to be recognized holding that sign?

Welcome to Portland, Oregon...

HurricaИe wrote:

If the US fell into anarchy they'd be the first to die. Fuck it, I don't think I wanna move to a place like Portland or San Fran or Berkeley anymore. They had that allure... a progressive, hip place... but my god they are infested with nutcases like these. I'd say I'm somewhat moderate in most of my beliefs, occasionally leaning to either the incredibly leftist or incredibly right-wing but I would simply not enjoy living in a place where I'd be considered an enemy for liking this country.

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Bertster7 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Rationally speaking, no one needs either. America could perfectly function without a flag, just like the U.K. could without a monarchy.

I wouldn't say that. Without a flag the US would be a laughing stock.

But seriously, wow. I can understand Peter Lynch being angry, but can also see how he is guilty.

Do you think vigilantism is appropriate? In general terms, here.

lowing wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

lowing wrote:

What it has to do with this is, the liberal mentality of being ashamed of patriotism.

I'm not ashamed of patriotism, I'm disgusted by people who hide behind patriotism.  A patriot is someone who is willing to fight and die for their country but is just as willing and responsible enough to acknowledge and criticize mistakes. 

Blind love and devotion is for scoundrels and morons.

I do not call liberals un-patriotic because they question issues. I call them un-patriotic because they do not support a single institution that gave them the right and freedom to be so.

Ah, nice to see you generalising, as per usual, lowing.

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

I'm not ashamed of patriotism, I'm disgusted by people who hide behind patriotism.  A patriot is someone who is willing to fight and die for their country but is just as willing and responsible enough to acknowledge and criticize mistakes. 

Blind love and devotion is for scoundrels and morons.

I do not call liberals un-patriotic because they question issues. I call them un-patriotic because they do not support a single institution that gave them the right and freedom to be so.

Ah, nice to see you generalising, as per usual, lowing.

"generalising"<--------last line of defense against the truth

lowing wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

lowing wrote:

What it has to do with this is, the liberal mentality of being ashamed of patriotism.

I'm not ashamed of patriotism, I'm disgusted by people who hide behind patriotism.  A patriot is someone who is willing to fight and die for their country but is just as willing and responsible enough to acknowledge and criticize mistakes. 

Blind love and devotion is for scoundrels and morons.

I do not call liberals un-patriotic because they question issues. I call them un-patriotic because they do not support a single institution that gave them the right and freedom to be so.

The irony or sheer cognitive dissonance in that statement is astounding.

I'm trying to figure out who has been systemically dismantling our Constitution for the last few years.  Also, who seems to have something against paying taxes for anything, but at the same time supporting massively expensive wars.

Crushing national debt...
Dismantling of basic civil liberties...again at massive tax payer expense...
Basic dismantling of human rights going back to medievel times...
No accountability to the citizen, voter, congressional representation, or tax payer...

I love my country, I love the ideals it was founded on, and at the same time I recognize the mistakes that a select few corrupt members of our government and their blind followers and idealogues have perpetuated in our name for the last 50-100 years.  Does this make me unpatriotic because I think our leadership and policies have bordered or were outright criminal in some cases?  Have I no right to question it?  Have I no right to piece together anything in historical context?  Did 9/11 change everything so much that even history itself did not exist before 9/11?

When a good citizen questions his government, he's not attacking anyone, he's contributing to a real functional democratic republic.  When a good citizen refuses to go along with the show, and takes to the streets, or simply refuses to continue being a part of the system out of protest, he's showing ultimate love for his country and the human race in general.

Just keep reading the right-wing tabloids, they'll tell you who the bad guys are, I'm sure.

And by the way, parading out a bunch of fringe Anarchist pics and tagging them as "typical liberals" isn't exactly intellectually honest.  If you want to study the political polarity, Anarchists are right next door to Libertarians (anarcho-capitalists), which makes them a lot closer to right wing than you think.

Besides, if those protesters had done this to actual people, they'd be heroes in your eyes...so long as they killed the right people.
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Try not to masturbate too much while reading this Lowing, ceiling cat may be watching...

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GorillaTicTacs wrote:

lowing wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

I'm not ashamed of patriotism, I'm disgusted by people who hide behind patriotism.  A patriot is someone who is willing to fight and die for their country but is just as willing and responsible enough to acknowledge and criticize mistakes. 

Blind love and devotion is for scoundrels and morons.

I do not call liberals un-patriotic because they question issues. I call them un-patriotic because they do not support a single institution that gave them the right and freedom to be so.

The irony or sheer cognitive dissonance in that statement is astounding.

I'm trying to figure out who has been systemically dismantling our Constitution for the last few years.  Also, who seems to have something against paying taxes for anything, but at the same time supporting massively expensive wars.

Crushing national debt...
Dismantling of basic civil liberties...again at massive tax payer expense...
Basic dismantling of human rights going back to medievel times...
No accountability to the citizen, voter, congressional representation, or tax payer...

I love my country, I love the ideals it was founded on, and at the same time I recognize the mistakes that a select few corrupt members of our government and their blind followers and idealogues have perpetuated in our name for the last 50-100 years.  Does this make me unpatriotic because I think our leadership and policies have bordered or were outright criminal in some cases?  Have I no right to question it?  Have I no right to piece together anything in historical context?  Did 9/11 change everything so much that even history itself did not exist before 9/11?

When a good citizen questions his government, he's not attacking anyone, he's contributing to a real functional democratic republic.  When a good citizen refuses to go along with the show, and takes to the streets, or simply refuses to continue being a part of the system out of protest, he's showing ultimate love for his country and the human race in general.

Just keep reading the right-wing tabloids, they'll tell you who the bad guys are, I'm sure.

And by the way, parading out a bunch of fringe Anarchist pics and tagging them as "typical liberals" isn't exactly intellectually honest.  If you want to study the political polarity, Anarchists are right next door to Libertarians (anarcho-capitalists), which makes them a lot closer to right wing than you think.

Besides, if those protesters had done this to actual people, they'd be heroes in your eyes...so long as they killed the right people.
http://action.aclu.org/torturefoia/rele … 5/3235.pdf
Try not to masturbate too much while reading this Lowing, ceiling cat may be watching...

Great rant.......Next time read my post before you do so. I ALREADY SAID I do not call liberals un-patriotic for asking questions. THEN I listed why I call them un-patriotic, and questioning govt. was NOT on that list, but it certainly was on yours for a rebuttal.

Last edited by lowing (2008-04-13 04:25:30)

This whole flag fetish thing is very weird to me.

You guys are happy to be surveiled 24/7
Have no issues being sent off to fight and die in a foreign land for reasons which have still not been explained.
Don't question why your President is no longer bound by the constitution, congress or international treaties.
Find no problem with your whole country being run into a pit so a tiny few can make profit.

But mistreat a piece of cloth and you get excited.

Maybe if I'd repeated the 'Pledge of Obedience' a few thousand times I'd get it. I would hope I wouldn't.

FEOS wrote:

Based solely on the content of your post...you'll never get it.

QFT

Exaggeration is a stinky cologne.

GorillaTicTacs wrote:

lowing wrote:

Great rant.......Next time read my post before you do so. I ALREADY SAID I do not call liberals un-patriotic for asking questions. THEN I listed why I call them un-patriotic, and questioning govt. was NOT on that list, but it certainly was on yours for a rebuttal.

You didn't "list" anything, you said...

I call them un-patriotic because they do not support a single institution that gave them the right and freedom to be so.

Which "institution"?  The Constitution?  Our service members?  Our court system?  You can't be specific because the facts are not on your side.  Sweeping generalizations and then denial when someone picks it apart does not win a debate.  "You responded to what I didn't mean to say" doesn't cut it.

All of these have been under sustained attack for the last 30 years or so, by the right wing. 

Our mighty military machine is gutted, watching their budget go to private contractors and bloated but useless weapons programs while our returning soldiers get told to get in the soup line to pick up their benefits.  Liberals pay their taxes as much as anyone to support this regardless.  Our need for soldiers to defend the US was never in question by anyone, the need to offer blind support for government operations during an unpopular war (including recruitment for more bodies and minds to break), that's something else.

Our Constitution has been thoroughly shredded, starting with Reagan's War on Drugs and going completely to hell with PATRIOT acts I and II, along with, well, all the "secret programs"...including and especially the "institution" of systemic torture programs.  If our government does this, nobody is free, nobody has clean hands.

Our court system has been under extraordinary attack by the right wing, complete defamation of "liberal activist judges" and whatnot.  If the courts were truely stacked in favor of the people or constitutional principles, the ACLU wouldn't even need to exist.

Read up.