BF2S Forums Define Patriotic For Me

Saying how our country is better than yours.

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Nope that is exactly what it means. Liberals do not display these characteristics. Pretty damned simple really.

Now I know I'm not an American liberal but I can safely say that what you said is probably deeply offensive to a lot of people.

Ya, I care

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Now I know I'm not an American liberal but I can safely say that what you said is probably deeply offensive to a lot of people.

Ya, I care

Why does an exaggerated stereotype grate on you so much?

What exaggeration?, liberals tote the banner of everything I menitioned in the other thread, and I think it is unpatriotic.

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Ya, I care

Why does an exaggerated stereotype grate on you so much?

What exaggeration?, liberals tote the banner of everything I menitioned in the other thread, and I think it is unpatriotic.

OK now I'll give a take on one of those things and expound on why I think you misinterpret them.

Liberals hold the US constitution in high regard - they fiercely defend its provisions - in that you could call them true patriots.

One of the amendments of the constitution guarantees freedom of expression. One may wish to express oneself by burning a flag. I'm willing to wager that the vast vast majority of liberals would find the act of burning the American flag offensive but tolerate it as to be free enough to do that is what being American is all about. "I might hate what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

Personally I would find someone burning the Irish flag offensive. But at the end of the day it's a piece of cloth and if someone has so little to do with their time that they find it pointful to burn the flag then they can be my guest. It isn't hurting anyone, it makes them look foolish and I am pro-freedom of expression.

You seem to accuse liberals of being unpatriotic but what they are actually doing is defending the constitution of their country, which I would regard as patriotic.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-04-13 13:07:52)

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Nope that is exactly what it means. Liberals do not display these characteristics. Pretty damned simple really.

This is what I mean about how it means different things to different people.

I often regard what is considered to be the 'liberal' point of view on many issues relating to the US to be the patriotic point of view and the conservative attitude to be more in line with what we would have seen in authoritarian states like in the old soviet regime i.e. strict control and policing of the general population, infringement on civil liberties, Stasi-esque monitoring of private correspondences, wars of offense and not defence, calling anyone who uses free speech to question Governmental decisions a traitor and so on... it all seems a little Russian to me.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it is the liberals attacks on individualism, that is reminiscent of the old soviet regime.

You endorse a mentality that, supports collective retirement, collective govt. education, collective determination on salaries, collective forced govt. health care. etc........If there is any authoritarianism going on, it is with the liberal mentality of govt. control over all of these things. Add to it your desire to ENFORCE your lack of interest in guns and swords on the others.

I wouldn't describe moderate socialism as Stalinist. We have a pretty decent socialist set up here in Europe, no infringement on individualism has resulted from these policies. You can still get filthy rich if you work hard and you have the added bonus of knowing that your taxes contribute to better roads, infrastructure and services as well as helping your less fortunate fellow countryman instead of just looking out for yourself...pretty patriotic in my book.

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

This is what I mean about how it means different things to different people.

I often regard what is considered to be the 'liberal' point of view on many issues relating to the US to be the patriotic point of view and the conservative attitude to be more in line with what we would have seen in authoritarian states like in the old soviet regime i.e. strict control and policing of the general population, infringement on civil liberties, Stasi-esque monitoring of private correspondences, wars of offense and not defence, calling anyone who uses free speech to question Governmental decisions a traitor and so on... it all seems a little Russian to me.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it is the liberals attacks on individualism, that is reminiscent of the old soviet regime.

You endorse a mentality that, supports collective retirement, collective govt. education, collective determination on salaries, collective forced govt. health care. etc........If there is any authoritarianism going on, it is with the liberal mentality of govt. control over all of these things. Add to it your desire to ENFORCE your lack of interest in guns and swords on the others.

I wouldn't describe moderate socialism as Stalinist. We have a pretty decent socialist set up here in Europe, no infringement on individualism has resulted from these policies. You can still get filthy rich if you work hard and you have the added bonus of knowing that your taxes contribute to better roads, infrastructure and services as well as helping your less fortunate fellow countryman instead of just looking out for yourself...pretty patriotic in my book.

Your williness to paving a roads is not really what we are discussing here.

Individualism is not under attack in Europe?? Can you own a gun? Can you choose private health care without paying for others health care?

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it is the liberals attacks on individualism, that is reminiscent of the old soviet regime.

You endorse a mentality that, supports collective retirement, collective govt. education, collective determination on salaries, collective forced govt. health care. etc........If there is any authoritarianism going on, it is with the liberal mentality of govt. control over all of these things. Add to it your desire to ENFORCE your lack of interest in guns and swords on the others.

I wouldn't describe moderate socialism as Stalinist. We have a pretty decent socialist set up here in Europe, no infringement on individualism has resulted from these policies. You can still get filthy rich if you work hard and you have the added bonus of knowing that your taxes contribute to better roads, infrastructure and services as well as helping your less fortunate fellow countryman instead of just looking out for yourself...pretty patriotic in my book.

Your williness to paving a roads is not really what we are discussing here.

Individualism is not under attack in Europe?? Can you own a gun? Can you choose private health care without paying for others health care?

Can I walk the streets of Dublin without worrying about being mugged at gun point? Yes I can and for that I am happy, wouldn't change anything.

I can choose private health care and let the Government worry about where my taxes go...can you refuse to pay the part of your taxes that goes to Israeli aid or Iraqi reconstruction?

Being willing to sacrifice for your country.

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Well now that they have taken all Samuri Swords off the streets I can see why you feel comfortable walking down the streets. I can walk down the street and feel safe as well, the only difference between you and me is this. If someone tries to mug me, I can fightback. All you can do is piss your pants and hand over your wallet.

So the answerv to my question is no. and the answer to yours is also no, I guess, It is a good thing I support Israel and Iraq isn't it?

A little ironic given that Braddock has been attacked on a number of occasions in Dublin city centre, each time fighting the unarmed perpetrators off with his kickboxing skills...

His legs are a weapon and have hurt people??!!, ALL kickboxing legs MUST be confiscated at once to insure your citizens safety. You must leave protection of the citizens to the police, and not take justice into your own hands.

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Your williness to paving a roads is not really what we are discussing here.

Individualism is not under attack in Europe?? Can you own a gun? Can you choose private health care without paying for others health care?

Can I walk the streets of Dublin without worrying about being mugged at gun point? Yes I can and for that I am happy, wouldn't change anything.

I can choose private health care and let the Government worry about where my taxes go...can you refuse to pay the part of your taxes that goes to Israeli aid or Iraqi reconstruction?

Well now that they have taken all Samuri Swords off the streets I can see why you feel comfortable walking down the streets. I can walk down the street and feel safe as well, the only difference between you and me is this. If someone tries to mug me, I can fightback. All you can do is piss your pants and hand over your wallet.

So the answerv to my question is no. and the answer to yours is also no, I guess, It is a good thing I support Israel and Iraq isn't it?

Lol, I've actually been mugged and attacked in the streets a few times lowing. I didn't piss my pants, I beat one guy up and took my phone off back from him, I knocked another one out and had to sit with him until the ambulance got there and I beat another guy black and blue until the cops arrived (and got away with it because they saw the other guy start it - Sweet!)...the thing is if I lived in a gun dominated society I would have probably been shot dead or badly injured in at least one of those scenarios.

What if your Govt. decided to start giving some of your tax dollars to Palestine, Iran or Pakistan...could you stop contributing then?