Last edited by ghettoperson (2008-04-15 16:59:55)
Read again. Mean nothing to me. That's not how we do things in Europe. We don't benchmark handling. At least, not on car shows and magazines; I'm sure car manufacturers do all that stuff. We drive cars around a track, see how fast they go. That gives the best 'real world' kind of figures to look like. I don't know what the hell 0.89 lateral g's or whatever means.Stingray24 wrote:
Skidpad means nothing? That and the slalom are how you benchmark handling!
The Pontiac did the Nurburgring 10 seconds faster than the Z06? That is impressive. Or do you mean the Porsche?Stingray24 wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skidpad
Well, to give some perspective, the 2007 Porsche 911 GT3 did this on the same course:
1/4 mile in 12.2 @ 116.1.
Slalom: 75.3mph
Skid Pad Lateral acceleration (g): 1.02
This car did 7:32ish around the Nürburgring on semi-racing tires if you want a track time.
Vette Z06 did 7:42.9 around the Nürburgring and it has a skidpad rating of 0.98 on street tires.
And like I say ... why do the Europeans say our cars are shitty when they beat their more expensive counterparts around the Nürburgring?oug wrote:
It's like Clarkson says. Americans can make the most extraordinary things once they put their mind to it. Why the fuck do they make such shitty cars?
QFTStingray24 wrote:
And like I say ... why do the Europeans say our cars are shitty when they beat their more expensive counterparts around the Nürburgring?oug wrote:
It's like Clarkson says. Americans can make the most extraordinary things once they put their mind to it. Why the fuck do they make such shitty cars?
oug wrote:
American cars don't like corners much...
Ok, for the record, this is an Australian car. We just made it left hand drive and shipped it over. You changed the bonnet, front end and rebadged it and may have changed a few other things.heggs wrote:
It's about time us Americans started making some decent fucking cars. Looks like they finally put some more effort into the suspension, where traditionally we've had the shittiest performance.
Thanks fellow aussie. But, personally, I prefer the ford, I wish they sent that over to you too.Cheez wrote:
That's a nice Commodore SS you got there.
Heh.Cheez wrote:
That's a nice Commodore SS you got there.
You're right about the price. With the german cars I posted you pay lots more for the extra luxury in the interior etc. And tbh spending all that money on a car isn't my style. I'll have to agree with the American mentality on this.Stingray24 wrote:
And like I say ... why do the Europeans say our cars are shitty when they beat their more expensive counterparts around the Nürburgring?oug wrote:
It's like Clarkson says. Americans can make the most extraordinary things once they put their mind to it. Why the fuck do they make such shitty cars?
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I'm sorry to say we're arguably still not making decent cars with respect to this. As has been mentioned, this comes from the land down under ... though still a division of the General which IS USA born and bred of course.heggs wrote:
It's about time us Americans started making some decent fucking cars. Looks like they finally put some more effort into the suspension, where traditionally we've had the shittiest performance.
Fix Or Repair Daily ... ah good stuff ... but seriously, my first car (purchased for $1) was a 1984 Crown Vic that I finally retired still running with 250k miles on it ... that being said ... Ford sucks. ;-)Stingray24 wrote:
Ick, Ford.
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See, the Aussies have the right idea with cars, American cars, fast as they may be, on the whole do suffer from poor handling and the build quality is usually quite poor, but they are cheap, personally I'd rather have a good car and spend the extra cash (if I could). Aussie cars are cheap, big, well made and handle like a dream, the Monaro is still one of my favourite cars, I think it will be for some time to come too.Burwhale the Avenger wrote:
Good to see you guys enjoying the Holden Commodore. Look at what else we have in store for you!
Gentlemen let me present the HSV W427
http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/ … mbnail.jpg
7.0 litre engine , gets to 100km/hr ( approx 60mph) in 4.5 secs. Engine produces 370kw ( dont know what that is in HP but its pretty big).
It definitely will be sold in UK, and probably in US as well.
It has magnetic Ride control so it handles pretty well.
I blame the union. Seriously. I hate it. I've worked in an automotive plant and seen what it does. It produces a more expensive yet lower quality product as a function of mandating and supporting the existence of many more expensive and lower quality workers. Not all union workers are like that, but it is a noted trend and I have met but a small handful of exceptions.TheEternalPessimist wrote:
See, the Aussies have the right idea with cars, American cars, fast as they may be, on the whole do suffer from poor handling and the build quality is usually quite poor
The newer Corvettes are a bit of an exception, handling is very very good on those, still suffers a bit from tin can on wheels syndrome but it's getting there, hopefully the rest will follow suit because I love the way American cars look and the engine noise is something quite special which only the Americans and Aussies really do well (with the exception of the Ascari A10, the noise that makes is just insane, British too :0).PuckMercury wrote:
I blame the union. Seriously. I hate it. I've worked in an automotive plant and seen what it does. It produces a more expensive yet lower quality product as a function of mandating and supporting the existence of many more expensive and lower quality workers. Not all union workers are like that, but it is a noted trend and I have met but a small handful of exceptions.TheEternalPessimist wrote:
See, the Aussies have the right idea with cars, American cars, fast as they may be, on the whole do suffer from poor handling and the build quality is usually quite poor
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Last edited by Stingray24 (2008-04-16 09:49:00)
I agree that the US has been playing catch up until the last decade. It's not my intention to take anything away from the quality that European cars offer and their pedigree is hard to match in the automotive world. The issue I have is when the US has produced a competitive offering that matches and/or beats European performance, it's like pulling teeth to get Europeans to admit we've done it!oug wrote:
You're right about the price. With the german cars I posted you pay lots more for the extra luxury in the interior etc. And tbh spending all that money on a car isn't my style. I'll have to agree with the American mentality on this.Stingray24 wrote:
And like I say ... why do the Europeans say our cars are shitty when they beat their more expensive counterparts around the Nürburgring?oug wrote:
It's like Clarkson says. Americans can make the most extraordinary things once they put their mind to it. Why the fuck do they make such shitty cars?
Until now though, you must admit: the euros have better quality, speed, fuel consumption, agility, handling, basically the only setback being the price. And those being performance cars, the price isn't really your #1 priority now is it?
Bottom line, if this thing can outperform its euro counterpart around a track and maybe provide the same feeling, people might give it a shot.
Stingray, can you clarify please?ghettoperson wrote:
The Pontiac did the Nurburgring 10 seconds faster than the Z06? That is impressive. Or do you mean the Porsche?Stingray24 wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skidpad
Well, to give some perspective, the 2007 Porsche 911 GT3 did this on the same course:
1/4 mile in 12.2 @ 116.1.
Slalom: 75.3mph
Skid Pad Lateral acceleration (g): 1.02
This car did 7:32ish around the Nürburgring on semi-racing tires if you want a track time.
Vette Z06 did 7:42.9 around the Nürburgring and it has a skidpad rating of 0.98 on street tires.
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