Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6974|UK

As title say's, I, and many people on here, began as a christian, and fell out of favour with it for whatever reason.  That seems to be the general thing that happens, or, people who have always been athiest remain so.

I am curious to know, has anyone went from being athiest to a believer?

I generally keep out as much as possible with threads like this, I think they are somewhat over done, and, generally just insight arguments, but, this is a genuine curiousity I have.  I read peoples comments, I understand the whole perception of how many simply cant believe in the idea of a creater, I can see why people fall out of favour with it, but has anyone ever fell into it?

For arguments sake, I myself wouldnt affiliate myself with any of these established groups.  I dont see how the argument that God is as ludacris as uni corns and the tooth fairy anymore so than how others claim that we all came about by chance, to me, there equally flawed.  My perception is, any creater that may exist, isnt nescesarily in the shape and form of how christians, muslims or jews perceive him/it.  For me, the very gases that are claimed to be what created the big bang could be ''the creater''.

Anyway, going off to a bit of a tangent, is there anyone?  Or is it a one way street?

Martyn
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6954|Global Command
People find it all the time after getting life experience.
Some don't.

Most here are too young for much life experience and are fueled by indoctrination of one sort or another.


Example; kind of trendy for young people not to believe in God.
Therefor, I would say some here think they don't, but don't really know yet because they have never prayed in desperation.


It comes to us all.
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6871|Chicago, IL
seems to be a one way street
LividBovine
The Year of the Cow!
+175|6804|MN

S.Lythberg wrote:

seems to be a one way street
No, it is a two way street, just a lot of traffic following the wrong road signs.

I went the other way BTW.
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Switch
Knee Deep In Clunge
+489|6888|Tyne & Wear, England
I was baptised a Christian through no choice of my own.  But even at a young age when I became capable of free thought, I decided that there was no god, and have remeined that way ever since.

I remember my RE teacher at school was a fanatical christian (if christians had suicide bombers she would be one) and she despised me for being a child with such a strong atheist opinion.
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6980

Bell wrote:

we all came about by chance
Nope. We all came about by reasons as yet unexplained due to our still developing knowledge of science and the world around us. We may never know.
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Knee Deep In Clunge
+489|6888|Tyne & Wear, England

CameronPoe wrote:

Bell wrote:

we all came about by chance
Nope. We all came about by reasons as yet unexplained due to our still developing knowledge of science and the world around us. We may never know.
I have always been of the opinion that the most miniscule change in history would have led to any of us not being born.  Like my great great grandfather not being arsed to go and get the paper one morning and staying in instead, would mean that I ultimately would never have been born.  If you think, we are all unfathomably lucky to be here.  Anyhoo, we digress.
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
Marconius
One-eyed Wonder Mod
+368|7118|San Francisco
If you want to get technical, babies/toddlers go from being Atheists to a belief system when they are indoctrinated by their parents. 

Once someone begins freethinking or becomes on Atheist, it is very VERY rare for them to close their mind again and only accept one form of faith/belief.  Those that do generally were lying about being an Atheist and were really on the Agnostic/Deist fence (as has been proven time and time again).
oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6944|Πάϊ

ATG wrote:

Therefor, I would say some here think they don't, but don't really know yet because they have never prayed in desperation.
That's it really, desperation. The one thing that can turn a man toward religion. When nobody else can help you, only god is left. So people turn to him. In other words, religion becomes a necessity for some. A last resort if you will.

So maybe it's not evident in this forum full of kids but that's how religions survive.
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rawls2
Mr. Bigglesworth
+89|6985

ATG wrote:

People find it all the time after getting life experience.
Some don't.

Most here are too young for much life experience and are fueled by indoctrination of one sort or another.


Example; kind of trendy for young people not to believe in God.
Therefor, I would say some here think they don't, but don't really know yet because they have never prayed in desperation.


It comes to us all.
Amen.
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6915|Northern California
I was born poor white trash... just kidding. (can you name that movie?)

I was born into a semi "Creaster" Lutheran family (went to church on Christmas and Easter like everyone else).  As I grew into my teens, all semblance of religious worship had ceased.  With the death of my dad when i was 16, I suppose I matured a little and began to think of things as they really were, instead of what typical adolescents consider things.  I didn't have any religious epiphanies or revelations after his death, nor did I submit to or entertain any religious belief structure or habit.  Rather I was quite wild and promiscuous earning several immoral titles of my friends, proudly.

By age 19, on my own, doing what I thought other 19 year olds do, I eventually started paying attention to feelings regarding "life's questions."  By paying attention to them (I know now they were the Holy Ghost), and through some very miraculous measures, I ran into someone who shared some very sacred, personal stories he had experienced as a mormon missionary in Spain.  Wanting such experiences for myself, but without being Mormon, i asked how to do such a "mission?"  He laughed and said, start slow by talking to missionaries.  Well,  I tracked them down, met with them, and 21 days later I was mormon.  Why, do you ask?  Because the missionaries taught me some things, then invited me (not my pastor, not my mom, not my peers..but me) to ask God if the things they shared were true.  I didn't know if I knew how to pray or not so they kinda showed me:  "Address the person you're talking to...however you wish to call him, 'God' 'Father' etc; then just ask him..and pay attention to what you hear and feel..."  and that's about it.  I took a few days to think about it, was a little nervous because I believed I'd get an answer...which might mean I'd have to behave good and act like some mormon friends I have had..

Well, I did what I committed to doing, and asked.  the rest is history.  I've since gone on a mission of my own, saw the same process I went through happen for hundreds of people I met and likewise challenged to find out for themselves, i even taught and baptized my wife!  Pretty fun stuff.

Last edited by IRONCHEF (2008-04-16 17:15:30)

Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6962|Long Island, New York
Yup. I was originally a Reform Jew, and then I turned atheist after...actually, I don't really know what turned me into an atheist. I kinda just lost faith but for no specific reason.

In September '07, my father had a heart attack. I visited him in the hospital for the first time and when I went into his room, I heard the flatline sound. I was rushed out of the room by the nurses into a waiting room as I saw my father lying on his back, mouth open, eyes rolled back in his head. I was in that waiting room for 5 minutes, and in those 5 minutes, I prayed to God that if he helped my Dad through this situation, I'd never break from believing in him and what he could do to help people.

My father just hit 50 last Thursday.
The#1Spot
Member
+105|6964|byah
Was forced to go to church when I was 7. Never liked it because church is very repetitive. Finally when I had the say so I just stopped going at 16. The only reason I did not rebel sooner is because church gave out free food.
mikkel
Member
+383|7026

Poseidon wrote:

Yup. I was originally a Reform Jew, and then I turned atheist after...actually, I don't really know what turned me into an atheist. I kinda just lost faith but for no specific reason.

In September '07, my father had a heart attack. I visited him in the hospital for the first time and when I went into his room, I heard the flatline sound. I was rushed out of the room by the nurses into a waiting room as I saw my father lying on his back, mouth open, eyes rolled back in his head. I was in that waiting room for 5 minutes, and in those 5 minutes, I prayed to God that if he helped my Dad through this situation, I'd never break from believing in him and what he could do to help people.

My father just hit 50 last Thursday.
God's supposedly been around a lot longer than modern medicine, but how much of a chance would your father have had, if he hadn't been hospitalised and surrounded by doctors and nurses? In a situation like that, my pledge would be towards helping the hospital in whatever way I could, rather than pledging an allegiance to god.

That pretty much sums up my beliefs. I was baptised at infancy, but never brought up religiously. The church really lost a lot of punch around here while I was growing up, and I recently left the church because the church tax bothered me. Religion is really only evident here by the churches and the church tax.
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6555|North Tonawanda, NY

mikkel wrote:

That pretty much sums up my beliefs. I was baptised at infancy, but never brought up religiously. The church really lost a lot of punch around here while I was growing up, and I recently left the church because the church tax bothered me. Religion is really only evident here by the churches and the church tax.
Church Tax?

Man, that sucks.
Sydney
2λчиэλ
+783|7268|Reykjavík, Iceland.

SenorToenails wrote:

mikkel wrote:

That pretty much sums up my beliefs. I was baptised at infancy, but never brought up religiously. The church really lost a lot of punch around here while I was growing up, and I recently left the church because the church tax bothered me. Religion is really only evident here by the churches and the church tax.
Church Tax?

Man, that sucks.
Non-seperation of state and church ftl.

I was born in a sem-atheist family, baptised when I was too young to have a choice and when I got older I went atheist.
mikkel
Member
+383|7026

SenorToenails wrote:

mikkel wrote:

That pretty much sums up my beliefs. I was baptised at infancy, but never brought up religiously. The church really lost a lot of punch around here while I was growing up, and I recently left the church because the church tax bothered me. Religion is really only evident here by the churches and the church tax.
Church Tax?

Man, that sucks.
Coincidentally, I'm at the tax office right now, so I can tell you exactly how much it is. 0,8% off of your income, compunded with other income taxes. That would've been $60 for me this month.
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7109|United States of America
I find that belief in a diety is rather small aspect of my religious....composition? (idunnothewordlol) More important is the moral way one should live their life. What I gathered in my readings of the Bible were that decisions should be made using logical reasoning and ethical principles to create the best overall possible outcome. I'm pretty sure if it was proven that there was no God, I would still be this way, because it seems to me to be the best way of living. I still do believe in a God and attend church, but if that's really a waste of my time in the universal perspective, it's no skin off my nose, as it's a learning experience that's better overall better than sleeping in a few hours.
Locoloki
I got Mug 222 at Gritty's!!!!
+216|7065|Your moms bedroom
not me, but if i where it would be to get into some hot dirty christian girls panties
oldgoat
Alcohol & calculus don't mix. Never drink & derive
+5|6942
Well if your athiest for a reason then i guess its ok... but if its just for being too lazy to get up and go to church or you like bragging that you do not beleive in God or you want to follow all the trends and be a sepratist, then??? Just as bad to go get a bible and start praying loud on the metro while people are trying to sleep and get to where there going thats bad but if you beleive for a reason and pray in private like in ur room or something then thats ok also.  just dont pray for crap noones gonna get for you.  like dont sit there and pray that the garbage man will be late because your too lazy to get up and go push the can out of the garage.  dont pray for things like "i want a nvidia 980012313 gx10 and a intel extreme1337H4X 20 million core quad either.  if you asked your mom or something for that and you could go get a job and do it yourself, would you think shed give it to you?  If religion is right, then bad for the nonbeleivers.  If religion is wrong, then no problem for the beleivers.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6870|The Land of Scott Walker

Marconius wrote:

Once someone begins freethinking or becomes on Atheist, it is very VERY rare for them to close their mind again and only accept one form of faith/belief.
I dispute the underlying premise of that statement.
RoosterCantrell
Goodbye :)
+399|6904|Somewhere else

I don't beleive any organized religeons have the true story.  But when someone says thier religeon is right, I'll hear them out.  I won't believe it, but i'll consider it.

Most religeons see god as a being, a defined life force of some kind.  I believe in the hippy belief a bit, more of a universal consiousness, a higher unity.  In a way, the feelings and emotions you get when you take a fistful of acid.  Only more, more in a way that humans can't describe.

Of course, if the time comes, IF, and I'm at the gates of heaven and St. Peter says "um, what were you thinking?" I'll probably say "eww..yeah...ssssssorry bout that" 

I doubt it, but never cross it off, since i don't have the concrete answer.
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|7139|US
Look up "Lee Strobel" if you want to hear an interesting atheist to christian story.  He set out to prove Christianity wrong, but ended up becomming a believer.  (He was also a pastor at my church, some time ago.)
Vub
The Power of Two
+188|6919|Sydney, Australia

oug wrote:

That's it really, desperation. The one thing that can turn a man toward religion. When nobody else can help you, only god is left. So people turn to him. In other words, religion becomes a necessity for some. A last resort if you will.
Or perhaps it merely reflects the fact that it's easier for us to accept the idea that God exists only when we ourselves are humbled to the stage of knowing we can't control everything.

The only reason why it appears to be a last resort is because the status quo is that people think they don't need God, and it's mainstream to leave God out of their lives and minds when they're smooth sailing; thus turning to God only when all conventional methods fail. It's important that you don't take certain presumptions into this debate, because the fact that people turn to religion in desperation can be fitted to two possible explanations: either religion is just a support group people go to when in trouble, or it can mean that only when we're humble and need God, do we shed our arrogance and pride and turn to Him.

What's amazing though, is that even though this widespread view that religion is a creation for those who need it is not right with God, He stills helps you when you reach the low point in your life and turn to Him. He doesn't neglect you just because you've neglected Him.

Last edited by Vub (2008-04-17 22:29:48)

Drakef
Cheeseburger Logicist
+117|6786|Vancouver

Vub wrote:

What's amazing though, is that even though this widespread view that religion is a creation for those who need it is not right with God, He stills helps you when you reach the low point in your life and turn to Him. He doesn't neglect you just because you've neglected Him.
Or so the fiction goes.

IF your god does not agree with the idea of religion being a creation of man, then why did he create people with that idea? Or does he lack the qualities of omnipotence and omnipresence?

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