Noone said anything about "taking control of..." I beleive our discussion was the destruciton of the military. That is a much simpler goal than trying to control the populace.IRONCHEF wrote:
yeah, just like iraq, eh? Iran should be even easier huh, mountainous country probably 6x the size of Iraq, a million or so actual trained military, and when conventional warfare turns to guerrilla warfare, all our success in iraq and afghanistan mountains can apply to Iran...cuz yeah, we smoked out osama bin laden and his buddies just like promised...5 years ago.Pubic wrote:
LOL!
Iran would be levelled within a week!
Sure, Iran will be taken out.
oh wait, do you mean nuked? so yeah, we nuke and kill several million people and really make good friends out of the rest of the world who'll love us for doing that!
ok, seriously pubic, do you honestly think the USA could take control of Iran...ever?
Would we all still have to believe the US were the good guys if that happened or could we all stop pretending?imortal wrote:
Noone said anything about "taking control of..." I beleive our discussion was the destruciton of the military. That is a much simpler goal than trying to control the populace.IRONCHEF wrote:
yeah, just like iraq, eh? Iran should be even easier huh, mountainous country probably 6x the size of Iraq, a million or so actual trained military, and when conventional warfare turns to guerrilla warfare, all our success in iraq and afghanistan mountains can apply to Iran...cuz yeah, we smoked out osama bin laden and his buddies just like promised...5 years ago.Pubic wrote:
LOL!
Iran would be levelled within a week!
Sure, Iran will be taken out.
oh wait, do you mean nuked? so yeah, we nuke and kill several million people and really make good friends out of the rest of the world who'll love us for doing that!
ok, seriously pubic, do you honestly think the USA could take control of Iran...ever?
Leave it to Braddock to take all the fun out of a hypothetical situation to perpetuate his political beliefs. We had managed to keep right and wrong, and justifications and other political implications out of this and just look at it form a military perspective. Well, until you chimed in.Braddock wrote:
Would we all still have to believe the US were the good guys if that happened or could we all stop pretending?imortal wrote:
Noone said anything about "taking control of..." I beleive our discussion was the destruciton of the military. That is a much simpler goal than trying to control the populace.IRONCHEF wrote:
yeah, just like iraq, eh? Iran should be even easier huh, mountainous country probably 6x the size of Iraq, a million or so actual trained military, and when conventional warfare turns to guerrilla warfare, all our success in iraq and afghanistan mountains can apply to Iran...cuz yeah, we smoked out osama bin laden and his buddies just like promised...5 years ago.
Sure, Iran will be taken out.
oh wait, do you mean nuked? so yeah, we nuke and kill several million people and really make good friends out of the rest of the world who'll love us for doing that!
ok, seriously pubic, do you honestly think the USA could take control of Iran...ever?
It'd be simple: Bomb/missile the crap out of them. No need for nukes or occupation, just loads of bombs and cruise missiles.IRONCHEF wrote:
yeah, just like iraq, eh? Iran should be even easier huh, mountainous country probably 6x the size of Iraq, a million or so actual trained military, and when conventional warfare turns to guerrilla warfare, all our success in iraq and afghanistan mountains can apply to Iran...cuz yeah, we smoked out osama bin laden and his buddies just like promised...5 years ago.
Sure, Iran will be taken out.
oh wait, do you mean nuked? so yeah, we nuke and kill several million people and really make good friends out of the rest of the world who'll love us for doing that!
ok, seriously pubic, do you honestly think the USA could take control of Iran...ever?
Lighten up...or at least turn the ol' sarcasm receptors on! When I'm seriously attacking the US I like to keep the tone completely serious, I take a more jovial approach when I'm only having a laugh!imortal wrote:
Leave it to Braddock to take all the fun out of a hypothetical situation to perpetuate his political beliefs. We had managed to keep right and wrong, and justifications and other political implications out of this and just look at it form a military perspective. Well, until you chimed in.Braddock wrote:
Would we all still have to believe the US were the good guys if that happened or could we all stop pretending?imortal wrote:
Noone said anything about "taking control of..." I beleive our discussion was the destruciton of the military. That is a much simpler goal than trying to control the populace.
The US would level Iran on a purely attack-based operation btw. It would never successfully manage an Iraq-style invade and rebuild campaign ...but destroy it? Most certainly.
"Iran was the most powerful nation in the world"-mahmoud adka2adkakd
there army isnt complete rubbish, but stand no chance against say russia or US, china. They do however have terrorist who will stop at nothing, and we have seen how they fight already.
there army isnt complete rubbish, but stand no chance against say russia or US, china. They do however have terrorist who will stop at nothing, and we have seen how they fight already.
Last edited by beerface702 (2008-04-18 19:12:31)
LOL "IAmADumbA$$'s" statement is ridiculous
That's the dumbest thing that guy has said, second only to his statement that there are no gays in Iran... which he promptly followed with an equally stupid question. [paraphrased] "Iran does not have homosexuals!!!???? ........... Do you know where they are living?"
This latest statement is proof that the US has scared Iran into an arms race.... I think the US wants Iran to build up and develop nukes for either of two reasons
1. Justify more money for building the US military to fight a new "pretend superpower" or
2. Can't have Armageddon without one Muslim country having a nuke and using it on Israel and everyone in the US knows we have a bunch of religious freaks here who can't wait for the resurrection.
That's the dumbest thing that guy has said, second only to his statement that there are no gays in Iran... which he promptly followed with an equally stupid question. [paraphrased] "Iran does not have homosexuals!!!???? ........... Do you know where they are living?"
This latest statement is proof that the US has scared Iran into an arms race.... I think the US wants Iran to build up and develop nukes for either of two reasons
1. Justify more money for building the US military to fight a new "pretend superpower" or
2. Can't have Armageddon without one Muslim country having a nuke and using it on Israel and everyone in the US knows we have a bunch of religious freaks here who can't wait for the resurrection.
lulwut?
get over it, us&a wankers say that shit all the time
Sure they are, they have the biggest collection of toy soldiers.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index … age-crisis
Last edited by Ghandi767 (2008-04-19 03:51:19)
But we're right.Nappy wrote:
get over it, us&a wankers say that shit all the time
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Americans in this topic, and possibly around the world, have been successfully trolled by Ahmedinijad
I'm still trying to find the terrorist link "smoking gun". Even Chomsky, who is very forthcoming about these things, hasn't mentioned the Iranian links to terrorism. Sure they make big shows out of a lot of things, sure they're protecting their borders, and I'll even buy that they have fun thumbing their noses at the West by harboring a few ex-terrorists. The only modern links I've been able to see were sourced straight from the same right-wing sources that brought you the cooked Iraq intel...nothing credible.beerface702 wrote:
"Iran was the most powerful nation in the world"-mahmoud adka2adkakd
there army isnt complete rubbish, but stand no chance against say russia or US, china. They do however have terrorist who will stop at nothing, and we have seen how they fight already.
"We found the serial numbers on the IED's that we could trace to Iran." - Bullshit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Re … omposition
Their air force looks like it's actually bigger and better than Britain's. This places them around 3rd or 4th in the world (USA being 1st, China 2nd, Russia 3rd?).
Their air force looks like it's actually bigger and better than Britain's. This places them around 3rd or 4th in the world (USA being 1st, China 2nd, Russia 3rd?).
Alpha as fuck.
The whole Iran media campaign stinks as much as the Iraq campaign as far as I'm concerned. The only real issue people can take with Iran as a nation and Government is the nuclear issue (and that is only from the angle of nuclear weaponry, they have a right to nuclear fuel for civilian use), all the terrorist stuff being thrown at them can just as easily be attributed to the country's proximity to Iraq and the obvious alignment certain Muslim factions within Iraq would have with factions within Iran (the whole Shia-Sunni thing)...attacking the nation of Iran over it would be like Britain bombing Dublin because of IRA activity in the North.GorillaTicTacs wrote:
I'm still trying to find the terrorist link "smoking gun". Even Chomsky, who is very forthcoming about these things, hasn't mentioned the Iranian links to terrorism. Sure they make big shows out of a lot of things, sure they're protecting their borders, and I'll even buy that they have fun thumbing their noses at the West by harboring a few ex-terrorists. The only modern links I've been able to see were sourced straight from the same right-wing sources that brought you the cooked Iraq intel...nothing credible.beerface702 wrote:
"Iran was the most powerful nation in the world"-mahmoud adka2adkakd
there army isnt complete rubbish, but stand no chance against say russia or US, china. They do however have terrorist who will stop at nothing, and we have seen how they fight already.
"We found the serial numbers on the IED's that we could trace to Iran." - Bullshit.
Still waiting for spare parts that will never come. Soon they will make cool planting boxes.S.Lythberg wrote:
the Iranian f-14's don't have their avionics package installed, they don't actually fly.PuckMercury wrote:
Oh I know the F-22 can kick the shit out of the F-14 ... but goddamn it I love the F-14.
They look pretty sitting in the hangar though.
Bigger? Maybe. Better? Certainly not.Nyte wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Republic_of_Iran_Air_Force#Current_composition
Their air force looks like it's actually bigger and better than Britain's. This places them around 3rd or 4th in the world (USA being 1st, China 2nd, Russia 3rd?).
Keep in mind that there is a difference between inventory and operational inventory...and Iran has very little of that. Then there's training...which the IRIAF also has very little of.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
I remember reading something about how the DoD had self-destruct things installed in the Iranian F-14s in case of war >.>
No way near 3rd or fourth.
Germany, Britain, France, hell pretty much all of Western Europe. Then there's Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Israel. Then you have India, Pakistan, South Korea, Australia. I just thought of those countries off the top of my head. They all have sizeable Air Forces with Modern Aircraft that are most definitely better than that of Iran. And some of those countries are on par with Russia/China (I don't think any country can touch the USA tbh)
F-22 means that no air force has a chance against them...
Germany, Britain, France, hell pretty much all of Western Europe. Then there's Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Israel. Then you have India, Pakistan, South Korea, Australia. I just thought of those countries off the top of my head. They all have sizeable Air Forces with Modern Aircraft that are most definitely better than that of Iran. And some of those countries are on par with Russia/China (I don't think any country can touch the USA tbh)
F-22 means that no air force has a chance against them...
Last edited by Mek-Stizzle (2008-04-19 08:45:07)
No. They just didn't get the US version of the radar or avionics, which is really the heart of the F-14 (and F-15, for that matter). They were both designed around the radar.HurricaИe wrote:
I remember reading something about how the DoD had self-destruct things installed in the Iranian F-14s in case of war >.>
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
That is interesting. Be nice to know what they had come up with, given 1980's technology. Or how they would remain undiscovered through 28 years of maintenance.HurricaИe wrote:
I remember reading something about how the DoD had self-destruct things installed in the Iranian F-14s in case of war >.>
I am curious how many of those F-14s are still flying, given that I do not think the US has shipped them any parts recently.
Very few.imortal wrote:
That is interesting. Be nice to know what they had come up with, given 1980's technology. Or how they would remain undiscovered through 28 years of maintenance.HurricaИe wrote:
I remember reading something about how the DoD had self-destruct things installed in the Iranian F-14s in case of war >.>
I am curious how many of those F-14s are still flying, given that I do not think the US has shipped them any parts recently.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
fixedPubic wrote:
LOL!
Iran would be leveled within an hour!
Probably edited by their gov't for propaganda purposes.Nyte wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Republic_of_Iran_Air_Force#Current_composition
Their air force looks like it's actually bigger and better than Britain's. This places them around 3rd or 4th in the world (USA being 1st, China 2nd, Russia 3rd?).