Poll

Who should Americans blame for the $117 per barrel of crude?

Opec20%20% - 9
Bush31%31% - 14
WAR in the ME17%17% - 8
Sub Prime Borrowers/lenders4%4% - 2
China/india8%8% - 4
Other?17%17% - 8
Total: 45
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6915|Northern California
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/c … dist=msr_9

"SAN FRANCISO (MarketWatch) -- Crude-oil futures fell slightly Monday, after soaring to a record high of $117.60 a barrel earlier in the session, as weakness in the U.S. dollar and concerns over supply disruptions underpinned prices...

... Record crude prices have been pushing gasoline prices higher. At the pump, the average U.S. retail gasoline prices rose to a new high of $3.503 a gallon, well ahead of the month-ago price of $3.266 a gallon, according to the AAA Daily Fuel Gauge Report.
San Francisco is expected to become the first major city to see regular gas prices hit $4 a gallon. On Monday, regular gas averaged $3.976 a gallon in the city, according to AAA. "



I figure that in keeping with tradition, American's ALWAYS need to blame one person or entity (rap music, porn, bad parenting, drugs, etc), if you could single out one of the options above (or make a new scape goat) who is "MOST TO BLAME" who would it be?  I'll answer later.

In the mean time, see the trends...
https://www.energybulletin.net/image/uploads/35732/Ten+year+crude+oil+price.GIF
Keep in mind, this graphic stops at $80 per barrel...we've been at over $100 on and off for months now...
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7025|132 and Bush

Xbone Stormsurgezz
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7160|Salt Lake City

The weakening dollar doesn't help, but this is a simple supply and demand problem.
Phrozenbot
Member
+632|7040|do not disturb

Ben Bernanke.
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6915|Northern California

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

The weakening dollar doesn't help, but this is a simple supply and demand problem.
You know, OPEC is saying there's a good balance with supply and demand, hence their reluctance to increase production.  That makes the weakened dollar kind of show how proportional it's effect is on our gas.

Be nice to see exactly how bad the dollar is, with a nice shiny graph or something.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7025|132 and Bush

IRONCHEF wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

The weakening dollar doesn't help, but this is a simple supply and demand problem.
You know, OPEC is saying there's a good balance with supply and demand, hence their reluctance to increase production.  That makes the weakened dollar kind of show how proportional it's effect is on our gas.

Be nice to see exactly how bad the dollar is, with a nice shiny graph or something.
This is true. When the dollar doesn't amount to as much against other currencies it will take more dollars to purchase the same amount of production. The supply/demand hasn't changed so much. It's inflation setting in. The weak dollar has a lot to do with the cost of gas. Hopefully some good things will come back this way also. A rebirth of manufacturing jobs would be nice. Companies will seek to produce more locally as it will be less expensive. Our great trading partner to the north might look for ways to cash in on the cheaper goods as well.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
herrr_smity
Member
+156|7052|space command ur anus
capitalism is to blame
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7182|Argentina
Let's measure the price of a barrel in Euros back in 2003 and today.  In 2003 the barrel was about USD 25 and in January the exchange rate was 1 euro = 1.05 USD, so a barrel of oil was 23,89 euros.  Today at 117 USD and a rate of 1 euro = 1,59 the barrel of oil costs 74 euros.  So, oil has increased its price 3 times in euros, regardless of how weak the dollar is.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6980
The fact that the dollar has tanked means that everyone is buying up oil like there's no tomorrow (oil being priced in dollars). The jump in prices doesn't nearly affect us as much as it affects the yanks. Whoever is responsible for the dollar tanking is one of the main culprits. The Iraq war and India and China are also major factors. Lesser factors might include Venezuelan nationalisation programs, warmongering against Iran and Nigerian unrest and instability.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6953|Global Command
All of the above.
Phrozenbot
Member
+632|7040|do not disturb

IRONCHEF wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

The weakening dollar doesn't help, but this is a simple supply and demand problem.
You know, OPEC is saying there's a good balance with supply and demand, hence their reluctance to increase production.  That makes the weakened dollar kind of show how proportional it's effect is on our gas.

Be nice to see exactly how bad the dollar is, with a nice shiny graph or something.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 1#p2044151
beerface702
Member
+65|7117|las vegas
people on wallstreet

bush has nothing to do with this. blame the FED and wall street, and Big oil of course.
beerface702
Member
+65|7117|las vegas
these damn nigerians cutting oil pipe lines last week with threat's of more isnt helping anything either. Expect 130$ a barrel by labour day..mark my words..in fact could hit 150 by the end of the summer..when prices catch up, expect some angry people at gas stations and on the white house lawn.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6966|Texas - Bigger than France
I'm going to blame it on the dinosaurs.  They should have fucked more.
RoosterCantrell
Goodbye :)
+399|6904|Somewhere else

ATG wrote:

All of the above.
that, and the possibility of peak oil.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7006|SE London

beerface702 wrote:

people on wallstreet

bush has nothing to do with this. blame the FED and wall street, and Big oil of course.


Bush has a lot to do with it. The FED and Wall Street have nothing to do with it. The big oil companies have nothing to do with it. OPEC has a lot to do with it, as does additional demand from highly populated developing nations.

How would the FED and Wall Street affect the price of oil?
Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|7130
It isn't Bush's fault.  It's the greedy corporations who are raping our wallets.

Eww... Bad image...

Last edited by Deadmonkiefart (2008-04-21 18:13:22)

Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7006|SE London

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

It isn't Bush's fault.  It's the greedy corporations who are raping our wallets.
Which corporations? Do you have any idea how the oil market works?
N00bkilla55404
Voices are calling...
+136|6355|Somewhere out in Space
Other, themselves for being such greedy gas guzzlers that oil companies want to gouge prices.
DeathBecomesYu
Member
+171|6604
I have read quite a bit on this. Speculators have a major role in the rise of oil and from what I have read, there will be a correction just like the correction we are seeing in the housing market/ loan sectors. We will see but, in my opinion, it wont last.

What pisses me off is that there are a lot of people getting very, very rich of the speculations and on wall street. Large oil companies love what is happening and their record takes keep pouring in. OPEC is not to blame and hopefully the correction will happen sooner rather than later.
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|7071
I personally have no clue how economics work so I'm going to vote Bush.
FallenMorgan
Member
+53|6338|Glendale, CA
When Clinton was president, Gas was $1.50.
DeathBecomesYu
Member
+171|6604

FallenMorgan wrote:

When Clinton was president, Gas was $1.50.
This has nothing to do with why prices are high now. Presidents of this country have nothing to do with the price of oil or at the pump, unless the state and federal taxes keep going up for every gallon our SUV's suck up.

It has more to do with the huge rise in consumption by emerging industrialized countries like China and India. It has more to do with our aging and old refineries and refineries that have been shut down and outdated in the U.S. (actually Bush and Republicans have pushed for drilling to depend on more of our own crude). Anyhow, the real culprit is speculators in the markets driving the cost per barrel up, even though OPEC says they are having no trouble keeping up with the demand. Every time something happens somewhere, it gives speculators a reason to push the futures up.

It is no different in what happened with the housing market during the early 2000's. I work as an architect and saw a huge boom in prices, everyone buying and building a new homes and anyone could get a loan. The values on homes skyrocketed, loans and interest rates went crazy and now we are in a huge correction. The same thing will happen with oil. All the numbers are skyrocketing based on "assumptions" eventually reality will bring it back to earth and we will see a correction. In the meantime, oil companies, governments around the world sit back and enjoy the windfall. They don't have to lift a finger, wall street is doing it for them and they are taking in record profits, huge tax revenues. A correction will happen, how soon, who knows.
Phrozenbot
Member
+632|7040|do not disturb

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

FallenMorgan wrote:

When Clinton was president, Gas was $1.50.
This has nothing to do with why prices are high now. Presidents of this country have nothing to do with the price of oil or at the pump, unless the state and federal taxes keep going up for every gallon our SUV's suck up.

It has more to do with the huge rise in consumption by emerging industrialized countries like China and India. It has more to do with our aging and old refineries and refineries that have been shut down and outdated in the U.S. (actually Bush and Republicans have pushed for drilling to depend on more of our own crude). Anyhow, the real culprit is speculators in the markets driving the cost per barrel up, even though OPEC says they are having no trouble keeping up with the demand. Every time something happens somewhere, it gives speculators a reason to push the futures up.

It is no different in what happened with the housing market during the early 2000's. I work as an architect and saw a huge boom in prices, everyone buying and building a new homes and anyone could get a loan. The values on homes skyrocketed, loans and interest rates went crazy and now we are in a huge correction. The same thing will happen with oil. All the numbers are skyrocketing based on "assumptions" eventually reality will bring it back to earth and we will see a correction. In the meantime, oil companies, governments around the world sit back and enjoy the windfall. They don't have to lift a finger, wall street is doing it for them and they are taking in record profits, huge tax revenues. A correction will happen, how soon, who knows.

Phrozenbot wrote:

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pid=2044151#p2044151
I guess if it isn't inflation, why did Alan Greenspan tell the Arabs to drop their peg from the dollar?
DeathBecomesYu
Member
+171|6604

Phrozenbot wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

FallenMorgan wrote:

When Clinton was president, Gas was $1.50.
This has nothing to do with why prices are high now. Presidents of this country have nothing to do with the price of oil or at the pump, unless the state and federal taxes keep going up for every gallon our SUV's suck up.

It has more to do with the huge rise in consumption by emerging industrialized countries like China and India. It has more to do with our aging and old refineries and refineries that have been shut down and outdated in the U.S. (actually Bush and Republicans have pushed for drilling to depend on more of our own crude). Anyhow, the real culprit is speculators in the markets driving the cost per barrel up, even though OPEC says they are having no trouble keeping up with the demand. Every time something happens somewhere, it gives speculators a reason to push the futures up.

It is no different in what happened with the housing market during the early 2000's. I work as an architect and saw a huge boom in prices, everyone buying and building a new homes and anyone could get a loan. The values on homes skyrocketed, loans and interest rates went crazy and now we are in a huge correction. The same thing will happen with oil. All the numbers are skyrocketing based on "assumptions" eventually reality will bring it back to earth and we will see a correction. In the meantime, oil companies, governments around the world sit back and enjoy the windfall. They don't have to lift a finger, wall street is doing it for them and they are taking in record profits, huge tax revenues. A correction will happen, how soon, who knows.

Phrozenbot wrote:

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pid=2044151#p2044151
I guess if it isn't inflation, why did Alan Greenspan tell the Arabs to drop their peg from the dollar?
I agree with your previous post and I believe we are on the same page. I just find it stupid when people blame Bush for what is going on with oil prices. He really has no control over it. You can't even blame OPEC, you can't even blame large oil companies. It is much bigger and a correction will happen eventually as you pointed out in your previous post. I don't know if it will hit as high as you think it will, but eventually it will have to correct and we will see similar consequences to what is happening in the sub-prime mess. We will see.

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