killer21
Because f*ck you that's why.
+400|6861|Reisterstown, MD

So I've finally decided to start building my next pc.  My current one works just fine.  It is a DELL XPS 2.0 GHz P4 80 GB 2 GB RAM Radeon 9800 Pro 256MB  that I have had since Oct 2003.  I love it to death.  It took everything I gave it (did a lot of tests, experiments, etc...) but it is time to upgrade.  I know what I want but I just want some of my fellow techie nerds to throw out some ideas in case I didn't think of something e.g PSU, mobo/processor combo, vid card, etc.  Remember, I am not really interested in OCing because in all honesty, I don't have the time for it right now.  I don't have the time either to catch up on the newest technology coming out.  I know a lot of people here, . Sup, GC, FM, klyef, etc. share things from time to time about the newest things so I just wanted to see if there is something I haven't seen or heard that is going out that I might be interested in. 

My criteria:
I don't really have a budget but I'd like to keep it near 3,000 USD
Strictly gaming, networking, ISS(my bachelor's degree)
Again, OCing is not necessary
Vista Premium at the minimum...no more XP
I think that is it. 

Thanks. 
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6891|London, England
Why do you make your posts hard to read. $3000 is a healthy budget, especially if you're talking about building it yourself. Expect some pretty good configurations, oh yeah and make sure you use newegg etc...
jamiet757
Member
+138|6893
Are you going to build it yourself? Is this the first time you have built a computer?
killer21
Because f*ck you that's why.
+400|6861|Reisterstown, MD

jamiet757 wrote:

Are you going to build it yourself? Is this the first time you have built a computer?
lol no.  I've built several hundred PC's in my lifetime.  Let me make my thread a little clearer.  I'm not asking for help per se -- more like any advice on any newer technology I haven't read or heard about.  I am proficient in building my own pc.  I just want to know if there is something out there that I might not have heard about, giving the fact that a lot of the people on the tech squad post stories, news and etc., on various subjects such as processors, mobos, etc. 
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,447|6468|Winland

$3k is a lot. More than plenty for an above averege computer, even if you need a leet screen with it, too.

Do you need just the tower, or do you also need a screen, keyboard, etc?
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6977|67.222.138.85
$3000 comp

Well if I were you with that kind of money, I would look into getting really good peripherals (speaker system, monitor, headset, keyboard/mic, joystick), a nice case, and silencing it. Especially if you're looking to use it for work as well, having an excellent PC just makes it that much nicer. So you could get enthusiast parts (lol $1000 processor) or get some of this stuff:

resevoir
(not the one you want if you want to be carrying this around)
processor water block
vga waterblock
northbridge waterblock
pump
sound dampening mats
hard drive silencers

That's the route we went with a media pc downstairs, temps are good, sound is low.
killer21
Because f*ck you that's why.
+400|6861|Reisterstown, MD

I do need a screen but not right now.  I've decided on either a 20 or 24" WS screen but that can wait for now.  A gaming keyboard and mouse aren't a necessity since I can use a normal optical mouse (I have had the same microsoft 5 button optical mouse for 5 years) and normal mulitmedia keyboard. 
killer21
Because f*ck you that's why.
+400|6861|Reisterstown, MD

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

$3000 comp

Well if I were you with that kind of money, I would look into getting really good peripherals (speaker system, monitor, headset, keyboard/mic, joystick), a nice case, and silencing it. Especially if you're looking to use it for work as well, having an excellent PC just makes it that much nicer. So you could get enthusiast parts (lol $1000 processor) or get some of this stuff:

resevoir
(not the one you want if you want to be carrying this around)
processor water block
vga waterblock
northbridge waterblock
pump
sound dampening mats
hard drive silencers

That's the route we went with a media pc downstairs, temps are good, sound is low.
Cool stuff.  I'm going to go with a headset.  I can't do the speakers anymore.  I need to hear every foot step, every noise, etc., that might give me an advantage over the next guy.  I'll probably get a mobo/processor combo such as this one or maybe even the 9650 processor.  I know that I am going for the dual 8800GTS 512MB per vid cards too.

Last edited by killer21 (2008-05-08 06:56:17)

GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|6685|Finland

you REALLY want a better motherboard than that!
3930K | H100i | RIVF | 16GB DDR3 | GTX 480 | AX750 | 800D | 512GB SSD | 3TB HDD | Xonar DX | W8
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6852|SE London

killer21 wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

$3000 comp

Well if I were you with that kind of money, I would look into getting really good peripherals (speaker system, monitor, headset, keyboard/mic, joystick), a nice case, and silencing it. Especially if you're looking to use it for work as well, having an excellent PC just makes it that much nicer. So you could get enthusiast parts (lol $1000 processor) or get some of this stuff:

resevoir
(not the one you want if you want to be carrying this around)
processor water block
vga waterblock
northbridge waterblock
pump
sound dampening mats
hard drive silencers

That's the route we went with a media pc downstairs, temps are good, sound is low.
Cool stuff.  I'm going to go with a headset.  I can't do the speakers anymore.  I need to hear every foot step, every noise, etc., that might give me an advantage over the next guy.  I'll probably get a mobo/processor combo such as this one or maybe even the 9650 processor.  I know that I am going for the dual 8800GTS 512MB per vid cards too.
How do you propose to run dual 8800GTS cards on a mobo with no SLI? That mobo is shockingly bad. If you want a to run dual nVidia cards you're going to be wanting a 790i board, which will cost far more. The Q9450 is a much better buy than the Q9650.
killer21
Because f*ck you that's why.
+400|6861|Reisterstown, MD

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

you REALLY want a better motherboard than that!
Aye.  I'm thinking of going ahead and getting the Asus P5E WS pro to compliment the 9650...might as well I guess.
killer21
Because f*ck you that's why.
+400|6861|Reisterstown, MD

Bertster7 wrote:

How do you propose to run dual 8800GTS cards on a mobo with no SLI? That mobo is shockingly bad. If you want a to run dual nVidia cards you're going to be wanting a 790i board, which will cost far more. The Q9450 is a much better buy than the Q9650.
Ctrl+V the wrong link. lol.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6852|SE London

killer21 wrote:

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

you REALLY want a better motherboard than that!
Aye.  I'm thinking of going ahead and getting the Asus P5E WS pro to compliment the 9650...might as well I guess.
Which also doesn't support SLI....

If you really want dual 8800GTS cards (which isn't a bad idea), you won't be able to do it with that.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2008-05-08 06:57:44)

GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|6685|Finland

Well. Here are what I'm thinking of:

Intel Q9450 cpu
Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme cooler + 12cm silent fan
eVGA nForce 790i Sli mobo
4GB DDR3 1333mhz ram
2x eVGA Geforce 8800GTS
Creative X-Fi Xtremegamer soundcard
awsome headset pf your choise
Corsair 750TX 750w PSU
Silverstone TJ10-BW Black case
SAMSUNG 216BW Black-Silver 21.6" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor
Logitech G5 mouse
Logitech G15 keyboard
mousepad of your choise
2x SAMSUNG Spinpoint F1 HD103UJ 1TB HDD
SAMSUNG Black SATA DVD±R Burner

edit: price around 3k I think.

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2008-05-08 06:59:53)

3930K | H100i | RIVF | 16GB DDR3 | GTX 480 | AX750 | 800D | 512GB SSD | 3TB HDD | Xonar DX | W8
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6852|SE London

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

Well. Here are what I'm thinking of:

Intel Q9450 cpu
Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme cooler + 12cm silent fan
eVGA nForce 790i Sli mobo
4GB DDR3 1333mhz ram
2x eVGA Geforce 8800GTS
Creative X-Fi Xtremegamer soundcard
awsome headset pf your choise
Corsair 750TX 750w PSU
Silverstone TJ10-BW Black case
SAMSUNG 216BW Black-Silver 21.6" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor
Logitech G5 mouse
Logitech G15 keyboard
mousepad of your choise
2x SAMSUNG Spinpoint F1 HD103UJ 1TB HDD
SAMSUNG Black SATA DVD±R Burner
Nice.

I can't say I agree with having DDR3 in the selection though. It's currently overpriced and underperforming. 1000MHz DDR2 would be a much more cost effective solution. With all that stuff I might consider going for an Enermax Galaxy 850W too, not that it'll be needed, but it'll give you all the power you'd ever need and the Enermax Galaxys are really, really nice (the Corsairs are nice too (I've got one in my machine), just not as nice). I wouldn't go for Samsung DVDRWs either, Pioneer FTW!
killer21
Because f*ck you that's why.
+400|6861|Reisterstown, MD

Bertster7 wrote:

Which also doesn't support SLI....

If you really want dual 8800GTS cards (which isn't a bad idea), you won't be able to do it with that.
Yea.  I found the one that I needed.  780i XFX board.

Last edited by killer21 (2008-05-08 07:07:03)

GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|6685|Finland

Bertster7 wrote:

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

Well. Here are what I'm thinking of:

Intel Q9450 cpu
Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme cooler + 12cm silent fan
eVGA nForce 790i Sli mobo
4GB DDR3 1333mhz ram
2x eVGA Geforce 8800GTS
Creative X-Fi Xtremegamer soundcard
awsome headset pf your choise
Corsair 750TX 750w PSU
Silverstone TJ10-BW Black case
SAMSUNG 216BW Black-Silver 21.6" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor
Logitech G5 mouse
Logitech G15 keyboard
mousepad of your choise
2x SAMSUNG Spinpoint F1 HD103UJ 1TB HDD
SAMSUNG Black SATA DVD±R Burner
Nice.

I can't say I agree with having DDR3 in the selection though. It's currently overpriced and underperforming. 1000MHz DDR2 would be a much more cost effective solution. With all that stuff I might consider going for an Enermax Galaxy 850W too, not that it'll be needed, but it'll give you all the power you'd ever need and the Enermax Galaxys are really, really nice (the Corsairs are nice too (I've got one in my machine), just not as nice). I wouldn't go for Samsung DVDRWs either, Pioneer FTW!
I'm not that excited about DDR3 either but he got the money and I guess he wants his PC to be as future proof as it can. (At least I would when buying a 3K beast! lol ) Plextor writers are  really awsome as well

edit: or if you choose to go 780i and DDR2, get a 9800GX2 and that enermax PSU. That way you can upgrade to quad SLi should you need more gaming power.

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2008-05-08 07:10:59)

3930K | H100i | RIVF | 16GB DDR3 | GTX 480 | AX750 | 800D | 512GB SSD | 3TB HDD | Xonar DX | W8
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6852|SE London

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

Well. Here are what I'm thinking of:

Intel Q9450 cpu
Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme cooler + 12cm silent fan
eVGA nForce 790i Sli mobo
4GB DDR3 1333mhz ram
2x eVGA Geforce 8800GTS
Creative X-Fi Xtremegamer soundcard
awsome headset pf your choise
Corsair 750TX 750w PSU
Silverstone TJ10-BW Black case
SAMSUNG 216BW Black-Silver 21.6" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor
Logitech G5 mouse
Logitech G15 keyboard
mousepad of your choise
2x SAMSUNG Spinpoint F1 HD103UJ 1TB HDD
SAMSUNG Black SATA DVD±R Burner
Nice.

I can't say I agree with having DDR3 in the selection though. It's currently overpriced and underperforming. 1000MHz DDR2 would be a much more cost effective solution. With all that stuff I might consider going for an Enermax Galaxy 850W too, not that it'll be needed, but it'll give you all the power you'd ever need and the Enermax Galaxys are really, really nice (the Corsairs are nice too (I've got one in my machine), just not as nice). I wouldn't go for Samsung DVDRWs either, Pioneer FTW!
I'm not that excited about DDR3 either but he got the money and I guess he wants his PC to be as future proof as it can. (At least I would when buying a 3K beast! lol ) Plextor writers are  really awsome as well

edit: or if you choose to go 780i and DDR2, get a 9800GX2 and that enermax PSU. That way you can upgrade to quad SLi should you need more gaming power.
But DDR3 is about 3 times the price. Here at least.

The 9800GX2 has done little to impress me. I'd be more inclined to go for a triple 8800GTX solution....

I've been a little disenchanted with Plextor drives (which I use a lot and have in general been very pleased with), since 2 of them broke on me in the past month. Pioneer drives often outperform their Plextor counterparts and are exceedingly reliable as well as not having the premium attached. I use loads and loads of these (they are one of the drives used in Macs) and have never seen one break. It's awkward, because ordering the parts from Apple SPS in Holland, there is no difference (they have the same part number) between Pioneer and Sony drives, yet the Sony ones break all the time and often don't work with various media types, but the Pioneer ones are just perfect.
killer21
Because f*ck you that's why.
+400|6861|Reisterstown, MD

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

Well. Here are what I'm thinking of:

Intel Q9450 cpu
Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme cooler + 12cm silent fan
eVGA nForce 790i Sli mobo
4GB DDR3 1333mhz ram
2x eVGA Geforce 8800GTS
Creative X-Fi Xtremegamer soundcard
awsome headset pf your choise
Corsair 750TX 750w PSU
Silverstone TJ10-BW Black case
SAMSUNG 216BW Black-Silver 21.6" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor
Logitech G5 mouse
Logitech G15 keyboard
mousepad of your choise
2x SAMSUNG Spinpoint F1 HD103UJ 1TB HDD
SAMSUNG Black SATA DVD±R Burner

edit: price around 3k I think.
Good deal.  I'll look up that stuff when I get home from work.  That is exactly what I was asking about.  I  need to get back to reading up on stuff.  Too much studying. 

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

I'm not that excited about DDR3 either but he got the money and I guess he wants his PC to be as future proof as it can. (At least I would when buying a 3K beast! lol ) Plextor writers are  really awsome as well

edit: or if you choose to go 780i and DDR2, get a 9800GX2 and that enermax PSU. That way you can upgrade to quad SLi should you need more gaming power.
Exactly.  Like I said, my current pc has lasted 5 years and it could last longer by I know I will need DX10 and my computer can't handle Vista effectively so I might as well get a new pc that will last at least 5 years. 

Last edited by killer21 (2008-05-08 07:31:42)

ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6920

Bertster7 wrote:

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:


Nice.

I can't say I agree with having DDR3 in the selection though. It's currently overpriced and underperforming. 1000MHz DDR2 would be a much more cost effective solution. With all that stuff I might consider going for an Enermax Galaxy 850W too, not that it'll be needed, but it'll give you all the power you'd ever need and the Enermax Galaxys are really, really nice (the Corsairs are nice too (I've got one in my machine), just not as nice). I wouldn't go for Samsung DVDRWs either, Pioneer FTW!
I'm not that excited about DDR3 either but he got the money and I guess he wants his PC to be as future proof as it can. (At least I would when buying a 3K beast! lol ) Plextor writers are  really awsome as well

edit: or if you choose to go 780i and DDR2, get a 9800GX2 and that enermax PSU. That way you can upgrade to quad SLi should you need more gaming power.
But DDR3 is about 3 times the price. Here at least.

The 9800GX2 has done little to impress me. I'd be more inclined to go for a triple 8800GTX solution....

I've been a little disenchanted with Plextor drives (which I use a lot and have in general been very pleased with), since 2 of them broke on me in the past month. Pioneer drives often outperform their Plextor counterparts and are exceedingly reliable as well as not having the premium attached. I use loads and loads of these (they are one of the drives used in Macs) and have never seen one break. It's awkward, because ordering the parts from Apple SPS in Holland, there is no difference (they have the same part number) between Pioneer and Sony drives, yet the Sony ones break all the time and often don't work with various media types, but the Pioneer ones are just perfect.
Make it a triple GTS and it sounds good.
GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|6685|Finland

ghettoperson wrote:

Make it a triple GTS and it sounds good.
except you can't triple SLi the GTS...
3930K | H100i | RIVF | 16GB DDR3 | GTX 480 | AX750 | 800D | 512GB SSD | 3TB HDD | Xonar DX | W8
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6920

Can you not? Make it 3 9800's then.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6852|SE London

ghettoperson wrote:

Make it a triple GTS and it sounds good.
But is the GTS supported for triple SLI? Last I heard (which was quite a while ago) only the GTX and Ultra were supported. The benchmarks for 9800GTX in 3x SLI are very disappointing too, underperforming normal SLI setups in many instances.

I know that the 8800 Ultras do fairly well in triple SLI, but I don't know about the GTXs. I'm assuming they perform along the same lines as the 3x Ultras.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6852|SE London

That's what I thought.

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