Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6829|North Carolina
Bundy was probably just looking for a scapegoat.  I don't trust the words of a serial killer.

IRONCHEF wrote:

Average porn effects people:  Well, let's take your average college kid in a dorm.  He spends lots of time in the bathroom doin' his thing.  This goes on for months, years, etc. as is often the case with something so addictive.  Is it reasonable to believe he will imagine those bathroom scenarios whenhe goes out on a date?  Is it reasonable to suggest that he may not find his girlfriend as visually pleasing as his full time magazines?
I see what you're getting at here, and I can see how porn would do this to someone, but I don't see it getting this far with the average person.  The average person isn't porn addicted -- or at least, I haven't seen any evidence to show that.

Now, it does bear mentioning that America is the 3rd largest consumer of porn per capita (1st & 2nd being Japan and Korea), but....  that says to me that Americans are too uptight about sex.  Europeans are much more open about sex, and they don't buy nearly as much porn.

So, to me, it's not about "virtue" or "modesty", it's about being more mature and easygoing about sex and nudity.  Japan and Korea are especially uptight about sex, so it's no wonder they are so addicted to porn.

To put it bluntly, we should be more like a country like France when it comes to sex.  It's a natural function that no shame should be associated with, as long as no laws are being broken.

IRONCHEF wrote:

WHen someone looks at porn, acts on it, repeats it...this shows an obvious adhesiveness or growing addiction.  It's that simple.  In married life, this effects your spouse, your kids (especially daughters), and it can reflect in how you look on other woman.  To take from the movie Shallow Hal, porn will cause you to look upon women with your head in the gutter rather than where it belongs.  I can't believe I"m arguing this, but I guess we don't all accept such things..at least until we realize it's happening to us.  lol
Again, it's probably the stigma porn has here.  We have these silly vestiges of Puritanism in our culture that remain despite the sexual revolution.  If we'd be less uptight about it, we'd be a lot healthier.

IRONCHEF wrote:

ANyway, if you can't see how it effects all who are ensnared by it, then I probably can't explain it to you.  And since I'm probably the only advocate against porn on this site...I'll go ahead and leave this subject as I'm obviously outnumbered.  lol
You bring up some interesting points, but I'm just saying that I think you're missing the forest for the trees.  Maybe America is addicted to porn after all, but if it is, it's because of our silly "taboos."

EDIT: By the way, good luck with the vasectomy.  I'd get one myself if I didn't fear going to the doctor.  I NEVER want kids.

Last edited by Turquoise (2008-05-09 12:40:52)

IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6915|Northern California
You see?  The Porn wants you to not have kids!  Yer addicted and you don't even know it. 
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6829|North Carolina
I think you're mistaking my addiction to sex for an addiction to porn.

Polyamoreity is great -- as long as you avoid the STDs.  It doesn't lend itself well to relationships though....
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6915|Northern California

Turquoise wrote:

I think you're mistaking my addiction to sex for an addiction to porn.

Polyamoreity is great -- as long as you avoid the STDs.  It doesn't lend itself well to relationships though....
I'm making gest, not mistakes.   ...or am I??
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6829|North Carolina
Sorry...  I left off the smiley..   
Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|7146|Eastern PA

IRONCHEF wrote:

You see?  The Porn wants you to not have kids!  Yer addicted and you don't even know it. 
I don't want to have kids because I like having not-safe things in the house that I don't have to secure, I like to not do the dishes or clean all the time, I like to go to Chinatown and get blitzed and come home at 3am, I like having more beer in the fridge than food.
Commie Killer
Member
+192|6811

Turquoise wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

If they are taking the porn then they should supply free hookers. Man needs to jizz regardless.
lol...  They actually did prove recently that masturbation (when done in moderation) helps to prevent prostate cancer.
Eating sperm also reduces the chance of breast cancer by like 40% or something if I remember right.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6829|North Carolina

Commie Killer wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

If they are taking the porn then they should supply free hookers. Man needs to jizz regardless.
lol...  They actually did prove recently that masturbation (when done in moderation) helps to prevent prostate cancer.
Eating sperm also reduces the chance of breast cancer by like 40% or something if I remember right.
Seriously?  They should do PSAs for that.

"Sally isn't just finishing me off, she's fighting breast cancer..."
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6915|Northern California
Eating sperm also induces labor.    So the wife and I will be busy this next week!
RoosterCantrell
Goodbye :)
+399|6903|Somewhere else

IRONCHEF wrote:

Eating sperm also induces labor.    So the wife and I will be busy this next week!
and that... right there... is where the the thread face planted into the dirt.   


Taking away porn from the troops, although gonig towards the angle of honor, integrity etc.  makes some sense..  This war has been led on NONE of that, so why start at the troops level.  Why not at the politicians level?  Oh, th military has to shine perfection, but back home the politicians can look like lieing, lusting, adulterating (is that a word?), scumbags.  Riiiiight. thumbs. up. ding!

Plus, epople have needs, i'd rather know they are whipping out a batch to some decent material, then being pent up and getting half jollies off of stick figures drawn in the rubble of buildings. 

I mean seriously now.  Don't the powers that be have more important shit to adress? My god.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7024|132 and Bush

TMI
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6892

IRONCHEF wrote:

Sweet.  Bout time they shape up the military.  That's a start.  Porn makes rapists.
It is hard to rape someone if you fapped yourself dry, so no.
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7190|UK

IRONCHEF wrote:

Sweet.  Bout time they shape up the military.  That's a start.  Porn makes rapists.
/wat?

If anything lack of porn makes rapists.
Marinejuana
local
+415|7009|Seattle
lol, its like the drinking age, you can give your life fighting for freedom before you are free to have a beer. or in this case, you can fight and die for your freedom but you arent free to look at dirty photos.

our soldiers are good people, most of them were raised to believe the military institution is for the common good. these days the common good is out of the picture. the military serves the power elite and nothing more. we unwittingly fight for the right to shut the fuck up and obey orders. i think our soldiers (and their hopeless straw man enemies) deserve better.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7005|SE London

There's nothing wrong with porn.

Who's to say what's moral anyway? Is having lots of meaningless sex with multiple partners immoral? I would say not.

There's also a lot of stupid legislation surrounding porn. I know there are many instances where the penalties for watching a recording of a sexual act are worse than the penalties for committing that act. Also watching some things is illegal when doing them is not, for example it is illegal to watch porn with a 16 year old in, but it is legal to have sex with the 16 year old (not socially acceptable in most cases, but legal). That sort of stuff is just bizarre and makes no logical sense.
JahManRed
wank
+646|7052|IRELAND

Commie Killer wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

If they are taking the porn then they should supply free hookers. Man needs to jizz regardless.
lol...  They actually did prove recently that masturbation (when done in moderation) helps to prevent prostate cancer.
Eating sperm also reduces the chance of breast cancer by like 40% or something if I remember right.
It had to me a man who came up with that 'fact'. lol
PureFodder
Member
+225|6709
Given the choice I think it would be better not to send sexually frustrated soldiers into foreign countries.
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6607|Ireland
IMO, Porn should be used as food and not fuel.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6829|North Carolina

Bertster7 wrote:

There's nothing wrong with porn.

Who's to say what's moral anyway? Is having lots of meaningless sex with multiple partners immoral? I would say not.

There's also a lot of stupid legislation surrounding porn. I know there are many instances where the penalties for watching a recording of a sexual act are worse than the penalties for committing that act. Also watching some things is illegal when doing them is not, for example it is illegal to watch porn with a 16 year old in, but it is legal to have sex with the 16 year old (not socially acceptable in most cases, but legal). That sort of stuff is just bizarre and makes no logical sense.
So true...  I don't get it either.  Sex laws in America are almost as bad as the ones in the Islamic World.

We can blame Puritanical bullshit for most of our social dysfunctionality when it comes to sex.  As I've said before, countries like France and Norway have the right ideas about this sort of stuff.  From what I've been able to gather, they generally have a live and let live attitude toward sex.
twiistaaa
Member
+87|7092|mexico
"go and fight and die for our country that lets people make and distribute porno!"

"can i see some of that porno while i'm resting?"

"no!"
Vax
Member
+42|6275|Flyover country

Turquoise wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

Sweet.  Bout time they shape up the military.  That's a start.  Porn makes rapists.
I hope you're joking.  This bill does nothing but further the nanny state and the ridiculous busybodying of the Religious Right.
Agreed, this seems like trivial political correctness. Take men away from their wives and gf's for  many months at a time, and they can't even look at nudie pics ?

As to porn addicts, "porn makes rapists" and such..They aren't talking about hardcore stuff here, it's stuff like playboy ffs 

That hardcore stuff isn't allowed as it is

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