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2008-06-01 10:29:11
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina
I'm glad he left his church, but I have a feeling this is foreshadowing for a McCain victory.

The Democrats are notoriously good at losing presidential elections.  They tend to make up for it when it comes to House and Senate elections though.

EDIT: As a side note, Bob Barr may still become McCain's version of Nader in this election, so there's still hope.

Last edited by Turquoise (2008-06-01 10:30:34)

2008-06-01 10:32:53
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7023|132 and Bush

It's way to early to predict that. Let's see them debate.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-06-01 10:34:50
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina
True, but debates don't matter as much as they probably should.

I have a feeling Bob Barr may become Obama's greatest asset because of his appeal to social conservatives though.
2008-06-01 20:13:10
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7023|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

True, but debates don't matter as much as they probably should.

I have a feeling Bob Barr may become Obama's greatest asset because of his appeal to social conservatives though.
I'm going to have to agree with that. Considering McCain got owned in nearly every GOP debate. At one point he was even booed.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-06-01 20:52:27
Reciprocity
Member
+721|7003|the dank(super) side of Oregon
I have a feeling Obama/McCain debates will look very similiar to the Kennedy/Nixon debate.  On one side a young, energetic Obama, on the other, an old, haggard McCain.

If Barr is allowed to debate with Obama and McCain, will the conservatives complain that the liberal media is purposely trying to split up the conservative vote?

Last edited by Reciprocity (2008-06-01 20:52:51)

2008-06-01 21:11:50
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7074|USA

Kmarion wrote:

lowing wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

lowing wrote:

The point being, he is not fooling anyone by leaving now. His opinions are aligned with the preachings from this church. I would respect him more if he would just admit that he agrees with these preachings, stands by them and accepts the American voters decision.
He went to church to worship God, not his preacher.
Most importantly, Rev. Wright preached the gospel of Jesus, a gospel on which I base my life. In other words, he has never been my political advisor; he's been my pastor. And the sermons I heard him preach always related to our obligation to love God and one another, to work on behalf of the poor, and to seek justice at every turn.

Let me repeat what I've said earlier. All of the statements that have been the subject of controversy are ones that I vehemently condemn. They in no way reflect my attitudes and directly contradict my profound love for this country.
Not that this will matter to you. As OH pointed out:

Again, the attempted fooling would have been long before this escalated. I guess McCain isn't fooling anyone either.The jerks in both of these churches are seizing on the opportunity for the spotlight.

I see the timing of this is still being ignored... as people act as if they aren't surprised.
I am sorry, when did it come to pass where a presidential candidates associations, involvements, etc....... are not fair game for scrutinization? Or is it now so, for Obama and Obama only, because he is black and therefore exempt from such queries?
Of course they are subject to scrutiny. As I've said before there is no such thing as a perfect candidate. It's obvious to me that when there is nothing real to attack a person with that the next logical step is to go after the people around him and claim that's who they are as well. The man is serving this country as a United States Senator and running for the Presidency and we are supposed to believe he has got some deep hidden hate for the US? Doesn't make sense.
Based on that logic, the Clintons, and GW also have a love of country, yet they are all beat to death.
2008-06-01 21:14:35
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7023|132 and Bush

As much as I dislike some of their politics I don't think any of them truly "hate" their country. lowing we just have different things that we look at when judging candidates. Everyone has different things that matter more than others. I accept that.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-06-01 21:21:27
Vax
Member
+42|6274|Flyover country

Turquoise wrote:

True, but debates don't matter as much as they probably should.

I have a feeling Bob Barr may become Obama's greatest asset because of his appeal to social conservatives though.
For me personally, the debates will be huge. 
 
Mainly because I am a wishy washy undecided guy right now.
Debates  will serve to cement things

I suppose I am actually a  'disaffected' voter in a sense; I am a registered independent, in a red state. My state will go McCain, no matter what I decide about Obama.

(state being Nebraska btw, and though we do have some fairly moderate repubs here, and a lot of dems, it's just traditionally always gone R in the general elections)

Last edited by Vax (2008-06-01 21:25:38)

 

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