SEREMAKER
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that you would propose to your goverment to help with energy saving/reduction?


idea from me would to pass a bill stating all buildings over 10 stories must have solar panels on top .... excluding apt buildings and medical faciltys

Black asphalt needs to be mixed more with white rocks to cut down on the reflection of the sun into buildings and over running ac units
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HurricaИe
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SEREMAKER wrote:

Black asphalt needs to be mixed more with white rocks to cut down on the reflection of the sun into buildings and over running ac units
Never woulda thought of that.

-Build more nuclear power plants

-Build more solar power plants

-Perhaps offer some sort of tax reduction for buildings that pass certain 'green' standards

-Use tax money to fund research
God Save the Queen
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+628|6764|tropical regions of london
invade Iraq.
SEREMAKER
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theres 1 idea thats been the back of my head .......... NASCAR or at least other smaller racing venues - do we really need these at the moment


now I know NASCAR has alot of money tied up into and it generates alot of tax money but smaller venues espically ones that don't use racing fuel
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SEREMAKER
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God Save the Queen wrote:

invade Iraq.
pfffftttt been there, done that


next .......................  Venezuela
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ATG
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+5,233|6950|Global Command
All jet planes should switch to the coal fuel mix used by the Air Force.

The billions we've spent liberating Iraq should be liberated and used on research to create a nuclear car.

Oil should be a nationalized not for profit industry, perhaps on a global scale.
lowing
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+1,662|7073|USA
Do you honestly think anyone is interested in saving the environment or energy?? We are ONLY interested in saving money. We had a "energy crisis" back in the 70's, Hinda and Toyota came in t oreplace all of those muscle cars that Ford and Gm were making, and all of the tanks that Chrysler and Buick were making...Sounds great, however, as soon as there was "oil again" we invented SUV's and Hummers and shit... Now, we are in another "energy crisis" so we must all think as t ohow we can save the planet ( money)...Make no mistake, if gas were t odrop back to 89 cents a gallon, we will be SUVing and Hummering all over the country again...........Please do not doubt that.
God Save the Queen
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pierro wrote:

Tax the use of energy...let the free market decide on the alternatives
because its been working so well with oil?
God Save the Queen
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lowing wrote:

Do you honestly think anyone is interested in saving the environment or energy?? We are ONLY interested in saving money. We had a "energy crisis" back in the 70's, Hinda and Toyota came in t oreplace all of those muscle cars that Ford and Gm were making, and all of the tanks that Chrysler and Buick were making...Sounds great, however, as soon as there was "oil again" we invented SUV's and Hummers and shit... Now, we are in another "energy crisis" so we must all think as t ohow we can save the planet ( money)...Make no mistake, if gas were t odrop back to 89 cents a gallon, we will be SUVing and Hummering all over the country again...........Please do not doubt that.
problem with that though is that there was a boycott by OPEC back then.

whats keeping the prices high today?
Mekstizzle
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+3,611|7042|London, England

lowing wrote:

Do you honestly think anyone is interested in saving the environment or energy?? We are ONLY interested in saving money. We had a "energy crisis" back in the 70's, Hinda and Toyota came in t oreplace all of those muscle cars that Ford and Gm were making, and all of the tanks that Chrysler and Buick were making...Sounds great, however, as soon as there was "oil again" we invented SUV's and Hummers and shit... Now, we are in another "energy crisis" so we must all think as t ohow we can save the planet ( money)...Make no mistake, if gas were t odrop back to 89 cents a gallon, we will be SUVing and Hummering all over the country again...........Please do not doubt that.
Yeah.... nobody was really talking about the environment in this topic anyway......

Energy saving for me, has always been about saving money first, environment second. The best solution would be to make them go hand in hand. You know, but people bitch that it's a big conspiracy that governments are using to tax people more and get more money. Thing is, global warming may not be true (let me rephrase that, man made climate change), but all you have to do is look at the smog, and the dirt on the historic buildings, and the algal bloom in ponds and rivers, to see something ain't right.

I'd rather having a Government trying to go for a cleaner environment and taxing pollution than eroding my freedoms on the pretence of terrarizm, but not both as it is right now. Thankfully it's not just the latter (unlike you guys)

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Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7128|67.222.138.85

lowing wrote:

Do you honestly think anyone is interested in saving the environment or energy?? We are ONLY interested in saving money. We had a "energy crisis" back in the 70's, Hinda and Toyota came in t oreplace all of those muscle cars that Ford and Gm were making, and all of the tanks that Chrysler and Buick were making...Sounds great, however, as soon as there was "oil again" we invented SUV's and Hummers and shit... Now, we are in another "energy crisis" so we must all think as t ohow we can save the planet ( money)...Make no mistake, if gas were t odrop back to 89 cents a gallon, we will be SUVing and Hummering all over the country again...........Please do not doubt that.
Someone of us here are young enough to most likely be effected by the changing environment for the worse in our lifetimes. I've seen pictures that my parents took of a time when Dallas was visibly less polluted, and my mom has noticeably worse asthma problems on poor ozone days. Some of us want a healthier life for us and our children.

- Harsher carbon tax laws

- Texas fairly recently passed a law where the state would subsidize people with older cars (made before a certain date) to buy newer (supposedly more fuel efficient) cars

- Force automotive manufacturers to sell x% of electric cars, and x% of 50+ mpg cars. This 30 mpg jump is bullshit.

- Replace coal power plants with alternative energy sources, notably wind and solar. There have been advancements in both areas, such as a single unit with a series of wind propellers that is much more efficient that units with one propeller, and solar panels that can be stamped out of a factory making them cheaper and surprisingly more efficient, respectively.

- Government directed, if not subsidized, increase of public transportation infrastructure. This is one of the easiest and fastest changes we can make that would make a significant impact. Getting the bullshit common distaste of public transportation is ridiculous.
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by say ... 2010 make ALL electronics that plug in have the energy star requirements
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Flaming_Maniac
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SEREMAKER wrote:

by say ... 2010 make ALL electronics that plug in have the energy star requirements
That would have to go along the same lines as the car thing. If people have the money, they are going to buy the energy star appliances already, because it really does save you a lot of money in the long run. The problem is the people without the money can't afford the nicer appliances, and if that law was passed, they would just never be able to get a new one period. You can't just make sure all the units you are selling are efficient, you have to get the old ones offline.
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

SEREMAKER wrote:

by say ... 2010 make ALL electronics that plug in have the energy star requirements
That would have to go along the same lines as the car thing. If people have the money, they are going to buy the energy star appliances already, because it really does save you a lot of money in the long run. The problem is the people without the money can't afford the nicer appliances, and if that law was passed, they would just never be able to get a new one period. You can't just make sure all the units you are selling are efficient, you have to get the old ones offline.
energy star could lower there cost since there quanity would go way up, possible that could keep cost balanced out





another idea .. pre-built 1 story buildings putting in sky lights with energy effiecent windows
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usmarine2
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best idea....stop having green houses and shit cost more then regular stuff.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
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SEREMAKER wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

SEREMAKER wrote:

by say ... 2010 make ALL electronics that plug in have the energy star requirements
That would have to go along the same lines as the car thing. If people have the money, they are going to buy the energy star appliances already, because it really does save you a lot of money in the long run. The problem is the people without the money can't afford the nicer appliances, and if that law was passed, they would just never be able to get a new one period. You can't just make sure all the units you are selling are efficient, you have to get the old ones offline.
energy star could lower there cost since there quanity would go way up, possible that could keep cost balanced out
Just because they make more doesn't mean their cost per unit goes down. The things are already on a factory line I'm sure.
CaptainSpaulding71
Member
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i'd like there to be more subsidies for residential customers to install solar panels on their house.  in CA, a few friends of mine have done this but it still cost them 30-40 THOUSAND dollars even with the subsidy to do this.  if they can bring that out-of pocket cost to the consumer down to say 10k or something more reasonable, i think more people would do it.  at least in the western states like CA, AZ, NM, NV, UT it would make a big difference since the sun is free.  further, these things make enough power for avg home to result in surplus that you can sell back to the grid.

i also vote to do more nuke energy.  France has something like 70% of their power from nuke energy, no? 

bottom line is i wholeheartedly agree with people saying that it's the 'cost' that drives people (at least here in the US) to decide to go green or not.  if green tech was cheaper or at least more competitive, it would be a no-brainer for most people to use it.  lately with the cost of convential tech rising, this is making it more competitve.  unfortunately it's the fact that both sides prices are rising and not that one tech is competetive because it is cheaper.  this is the wrong price trend
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how far can we dig ............... I ask bc imaigine digging to whatever depth to harness the earths heat, for homes - businesses , use it for steam power plants
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Kmar
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The french have the idea.
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usmarine2
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+233|6212|Dublin, Ohio

Kmarion wrote:

The french have the idea.
drink wine and dont bathe?
Kmar
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usmarine2 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

The french have the idea.
drink wine and dont bathe?
I'd do both to cut my energy bill.
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Flaming_Maniac
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SEREMAKER wrote:

how far can we dig ............... I ask bc imaigine digging to whatever depth to harness the earths heat, for homes - businesses , use it for steam power plants
Surprisingly you don't have to dig very deep to see very real results. I can't remember 100%, but though I think we're a ways off from developing actual power plants using geothermal energy, there are buildings either being built now or at least in concept designs that are dug far enough into the earth to use geothermal power to heat/cool them.

I read an article that was very interesting about using that same concept in the ocean. Some guy drew up plans for basically a floating sky scraper, that could move like a boat, then whenever it got where it wanted to go,stood on its end so half its length was in the water, half its length was sticking above the water. The temperature difference between the top and bottom was significant enough to generate a lot of power.
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

SEREMAKER wrote:

how far can we dig ............... I ask bc imaigine digging to whatever depth to harness the earths heat, for homes - businesses , use it for steam power plants
Surprisingly you don't have to dig very deep to see very real results. I can't remember 100%, but though I think we're a ways off from developing actual power plants using geothermal energy, there are buildings either being built now or at least in concept designs that are dug far enough into the earth to use geothermal power to heat/cool them.

I read an article that was very interesting about using that same concept in the ocean. Some guy drew up plans for basically a floating sky scraper, that could move like a boat, then whenever it got where it wanted to go,stood on its end so half its length was in the water, half its length was sticking above the water. The temperature difference between the top and bottom was significant enough to generate a lot of power.
wow, I would like to read that article
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Flaming_Maniac
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SEREMAKER wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

SEREMAKER wrote:

how far can we dig ............... I ask bc imaigine digging to whatever depth to harness the earths heat, for homes - businesses , use it for steam power plants
Surprisingly you don't have to dig very deep to see very real results. I can't remember 100%, but though I think we're a ways off from developing actual power plants using geothermal energy, there are buildings either being built now or at least in concept designs that are dug far enough into the earth to use geothermal power to heat/cool them.

I read an article that was very interesting about using that same concept in the ocean. Some guy drew up plans for basically a floating sky scraper, that could move like a boat, then whenever it got where it wanted to go,stood on its end so half its length was in the water, half its length was sticking above the water. The temperature difference between the top and bottom was significant enough to generate a lot of power.
wow, I would like to read that article
I'm looking for the article, I think it was in Popular Science. In the mean time, this is a rather pertinent article:

http://www.popsci.com/environment/artic … ave-planet
kylef
Gone
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SEREMAKER wrote:

NASCAR or at least other smaller racing venues - do we really need these at the moment
yes!

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