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kylef wrote:

Then again, this is kinda like the great irony in piracy. You buy / rent a movie and are bombarded with "Piracy. It's a Crime." slogans, and yet if you pirate it there is none of that. Always thought that was kind of amusing ...

I quite like the new tack they seem to be taking. Going on about how pirate films are rubbish and the cinema is by far the best place to see the new films you want to see - which I very much agree with.

kylef wrote:

It's funny because I won't go into a store and steal a tangible item, yet daily I do it virtually. (is that the right use of the word?) However most of the music I listen to now, such as Film and Game soundtracks cannot be actually be bought anywhere, and if I have legally rented or bought the movie or game (respectively) I do believe I have the right to the soundtrack. But not the distribution rights, of course.

That's because it is different to actually stealing a tangible item. It's not stealing, it's unauthorised duplication. Stealing implies that you take possession of an item somebody else possesses and they are deprived of it. Media piracy is not the same. Nobody loses money with piracy, nobody makes money either though, when they are entitled to. But for stuff you wouldn't otherwise buy or pay to view/listen to, nobody loses - because they'd have got no money from you in the first place if you didn't buy it and so there are only winners from piracy - if everybody continues to buy the things they consider to be worth buying. That's my attitude to it. The problem is that often people won't do that.

My ISP actually blocked rapidshare, so I just used rss.rapidshare instead, 2 days later they unblocked it

Bertster7 wrote:

rammunition wrote:

The only way these companies can tell if we are downloading "illegally" is by


1) they monitor all data traffic

2) they snoop on anyone using more than an "average" amount of bandwidth.

Neither should make you happy, i with virgin btw and am considering leaving due to them signing this deal

That's not entirely true....

do elaborate

The Sheriff wrote:

ramm, try a smaller ISP, I used to be on tesco, tiscali, sky, BT, and they all sucked, finally now on eclipse.net, 8mb £15 unlim downloads and I get between 0.5-1.1 mb/s download speed, another small company you can try is zen-broadband.

They do all suck.

Use Be or O2, although both provide you with a crappy Thomson router (as do BT, that's what the homehub has at its heart) which crashes when streaming radio from iPlayer - that's the only issue I've ever seen though, despite the fact it's supposed to be a general flash fault caused by the firmware - which can be updated to resolve the issue.

The Sheriff wrote:

ramm, try a smaller ISP, I used to be on tesco, tiscali, sky, BT, and they all sucked, finally now on eclipse.net, 8mb £15 unlim downloads and I get between 0.5-1.1 mb/s download speed, another small company you can try is zen-broadband.

i was going to join talktalk(free broadband up to 8MB) but they made a cock up with a phone line and they set it someone elses home (was a deaf operator). I disconnected i  days, this was about a month ago. Still got the modem, might play round with it

Bertster7 wrote:

They do all suck.

Use Be or O2, although both provide you with a crappy Thomson router (as do BT, that's what the homehub has at its heart) which crashes when streaming radio from iPlayer - that's the only issue I've ever seen though, despite the fact it's supposed to be a general flash fault caused by the firmware - which can be updated to resolve the issue.

be is meant to be good i heard, might try them tbh.

Can't give much praise for BT either. Especially if you are a Rapidshare user

Thorax wrote:

As long as there are possessions to be had, there will be pirates to steal, loot and plunder them.

Agreed...  Intellectual property rights are rather vague.  Companies like Disney have done their best to extend the length of copyright laws, making it harder for various media to become public domain.

I figure it comes down to this...  When it comes to personal use, who needs copyrights, if you can copy it right?

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I thought it was legal for you to have a digital copy of albums you already own?

That's good cause I consider them to be owned when I download them.

Does anyone else here remember the whole 'taping songs off of the radio' controversy back in the 80's? Wasn't that supposed to spell doom for the music industry too?

Piracy will never be stopped. Basically the music industry needs to incentivize the legal purchasing of music again; bands like Radiohead and NIN have realised this while other bands, like Metallica, seem happier trying to fight a losing battle.

EDIT: Just read Roger Lesboules post ^^^ he's obviously old skool too! Lol

Last edited by Braddock (2008-07-25 06:47:13)

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

I love reading through all the justifications people come up with for theft. 99% of the time it simply comes down to the fact that people do it because they can easily get away with it.

It's like when people who flee from a crime get caught. They cry and they beg for forgiveness, but the only thing they're sorry about is the fact that they got caught.

I don't agree with piracy because it IS theft and basically if everyone did it there would be no money in music as an industry and ultimately bands would pretty much stop releasing music altogether. Having said this, the music industry has been slowly shooting itself in the foot for the last 20 years or so and have brought about a good portion of this musical 'revolution' themselves.

As music production, both in terms of recording in the studio and the production of CD's and digital end-products themselves, has become easier and cheaper the price for the end user has gotten higher and higher. This is largely thanks to the fact that the industry has become dominated by a handful of major record labels who control the market and not only dictate the pricing structures but also get to decide what makes up the musical mainstream. Instead of fighting an intractable battle against piracy the music industry should do as Nine Inch Nails and Radiohead have done and re-incentivise the legal purchasing of music.

Basically the major labels have to work harder for their money and for that I am delighted!

konfusion wrote:

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

I love reading through all the justifications people come up with for theft. 99% of the time it simply comes down to the fact that people do it because they can easily get away with it.

It's like when people who flee from a crime get caught. They cry and they beg for forgiveness, but the only thing they're sorry about is the fact that they got caught.

If some pop artist, whose producer churns out an album a day, expects his album to be bought - well, he can shove that album right back down into the dark hole it came from.
Piracy will slow as quality of music goes up. Nowadays you have too many songs albums of really low quality.

-kon

So I take it you don't own many new albums, right?  That ^^^ is just another excuse.  A weak one too.

Let me ask this question when was the last album written to cd that was worth 20 or so dollars and every song was good?

Smithereener wrote:

The#1Spot wrote:

Let me ask this question when was the last album written to cd that was worth 20 or so dollars and every song was good?

Well, I liked every song on Black Holes & Revelations. Some more than others, but I liked all of them.

I can see what you mean though. I've bought a number of CD's because of a few songs that I liked, only to be disappointed by the rest.

I wasnt very specific but yea. Current music has only around 3 to 5 good songs and the rest are crap.