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2008-07-28 15:42:56
CameronPoe
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CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

--- Q'uran quotes - blah blah blah ---
then explain why these same quotes have not prevented the Janjaweed from executing/raping/stealing those poor people in Darfur?  why is there no backlash in the ME saying this is not sanctioned by the sacred book?

also, later verses in the Q'uran overrule the earlier verses.  it's kind of like their amendment scheme.  it's just a shame that many of the 'tolerant' verses were written much earlier by this warlord prophet.
The Janjaweed are not religiously driven: they just want territory. They're greedy little imperialist cunts, that's all. Why must you automatically assume it has something to do with Islam without researching the conflict in question? Do people who were raised Christians kill people or turn to lives of crime? Yes they do. And they are bad Christians. Do people who were raised Muslims kill people or turn to lives of crime? Yes they do. And they are bad Muslims.

Why do you assume that certain other verses trump the 'peace' verses?  Because it fits your agenda? Are they later in the Q'uran? You do realise that the Q'uran is not in chronological order? I think you'll find the vast majority of Muslims take the peaceful interpretation. As evidenced by reality.

Perhaps Bush, given that he is one of those evangelical nuts who take the old testament seriously, has been latching onto these quotes from the Bible:

1 Samuel 15:2,3

2 This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt.3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy [a] everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' "

Numbers 31:17,18

17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

Deuteronomy 20:16

16 However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.
2008-07-28 16:07:00
lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

I see, so try explaining the reasons for the terror attacksto the victims of it. I am sure they will feel better. It is a good thing the Koran allows and encourages such acts or these Islamic terrorists might go to hll and not recieve their 70 virgins.
The Q'uran actually forbids the killing of civilians - a fact you conveniently pretend doesn't exist.... Nice. I guess the Haditha massacre was Christian terrorism and the carpet bombing of Baghdad was Christian terrorism also - they were carried out by Christians after all.... lol at your warped logic. Bitter little man. I really have no idea why you see fit to war profiteer in a country full of people you hate. Knowing you're getting rich off the misery of others is probably the driver.
I can tell you that any terrorism done in the name of Christianity is just that, Christian terrorism. If a group of Christians ban together AS Christians in a terror act, regardless of their reasoning, it would be Christian terrorism.

Cam, your self righteous attitude is the only thing that is funny here. I am not warped or demented or sick or anything that you have build up in your mind to make yourself feel so superior. It is ok though, I really do not care how you perceive me. I would rather it be just like it is, it is far more entertaining than always agreeing.

Also the war profiteer thing doesn't do a whole lot to ruffle my feathers either, you have no idea as to what I am doing here or why so I am content with you thinking anything you want regarding that as well.

I am not in a country full of people I hate, sorry to burst your bubble there as well. I am in a country that I hope gets to represent itself in the Olympics. I am in a country that I cheer for morethan the US for a great showing. These people need their national pride back, they need acknowledgement and acceptance. It is happening and I am all for it.

Your views of me are amusing to say the least. You have me built up into something that can not be defended, pretty convenient I guess. 

You have no idea how I feel when I listen to the soldiers stories that surround me.  You have no idea how I felt when I flew over Baghdad in a chopper and looked down to see the poverty that the Iraqis are living with. You have no idea as to how I felt after learning of the cruelty of Saddam and his sons, while I am looking at the very places these atrocities have taken place. You have no idea how proud I am that we are not going to leave these people until they can help themselves ( I hope). These people do not need a civil war like you contend, they need peace in their lives, they need stabilty, they need some one to stand up for them until they are able to stand for themselves. Cam, I have been moved to tears with thoughts of all of these things.  Things finally are getting better and these people deserve it. Hate Iraqis? Far from it.

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2008-07-28 16:21:35
CameronPoe
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lowing wrote:

I can tell you that any terrorism done in the name of Christianity is just that, Christian terrorism. If a group of Christians ban together AS Christians in a terror act, regardless of their reasoning, it would be Christian terrorism.
Ah so you agree that the Uighur nationalist movement is not Islamic terrorism. Good, we have agreement on something.

lowing wrote:

Cam, your self righteous attitude is the only thing that is funny here. I am not warped or demented or sick or anything that you have build up in your mind to make yourself feel so superior. It is ok though, I really do not care how you perceive me. I would rather it be just like it is, it is far more entertaining than always agreeing.
Ironic you talking about me being self righteous tbh.

lowing wrote:

Also the war profiteer thing doesn't do a whole lot to ruffle my feathers either, you have no idea as to what I am doing here or why so I am content with you thinking anything you want regarding that as well.
Somebody going to a war zone as a contractor is generally a war profiteer. It's high risk, high gain. Putting your own life at risk - potentially leaving your kids fatherless - for a quick buck? Sorry but no thanks.

lowing wrote:

I am not in a country full of people I hate, sorry to burst your bubble there as well. I am in a country that I hope gets to represent itself in the Olympics. I am in a country that I cheer for morethan the US for a great showing. These people need their national pride back, they need acknowledgement and acceptance. It is happening and I am all for it.

Your views of me are amusing to say the least. You have me built up into something that can not be defended, pretty convenient I guess. 

You have no idea how I feel when I listen to the soldiers stories that surround me.  You have no idea how I felt when I flew over Baghdad in a chopper and looked down to see the poverty that the Iraqis are living with. You have no idea as to how I felt after learning of the cruelty of Saddam and his sons, while I am looking at the very places these atrocities have taken place. You have no idea how proud I am that we are not going to leave these people until they can help themselves ( I hope). These people do not need a civil war like you contend, they need peace in their lives, they need stabilty, they need some one to stand up for them until they are able to stand for themselves. Cam, I have been moved to tears with thoughts all of these things.  Things finally are getting better and these people deserve it. Hate Iraqis? Far from it.
But this is a country where women now predominantly wear the Burqa and where there is currently more Islamic violence than in almost any other country. It is a country where over 95% of the population practice the religion you hate. It is a country whose legal system stems from Sharia law. I'm sorry if I'm putting 2 and 2 together and getting four here. I'm sorry that if calling something a duck when it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

PS Not very 'personal responsibility' there on the old 'they need some one to stand up for them until they are able to stand for themselves' front. Turning commie are we?

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2008-07-28 16:29:01
lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

I can tell you that any terrorism done in the name of Christianity is just that, Christian terrorism. If a group of Christians ban together AS Christians in a terror act, regardless of their reasoning, it would be Christian terrorism.
Ah so you agree that the Uighur nationalist movement is not Islamic terrorism. Good, we have agreement on something.

lowing wrote:

Cam, your self righteous attitude is the only thing that is funny here. I am not warped or demented or sick or anything that you have build up in your mind to make yourself feel so superior. It is ok though, I really do not care how you perceive me. I would rather it be just like it is, it is far more entertaining than always agreeing.
Ironic you talking about me being self righteous tbh.

lowing wrote:

Also the war profiteer thing doesn't do a whole lot to ruffle my feathers either, you have no idea as to what I am doing here or why so I am content with you thinking anything you want regarding that as well.
Somebody going to a war zone as a contractor is generally a war profiteer. It's high risk, high gain. Putting your own life at risk - potentially leaving your kids fatherless - for a quick buck? Sorry but no thanks.

lowing wrote:

I am not in a country full of people I hate, sorry to burst your bubble there as well. I am in a country that I hope gets to represent itself in the Olympics. I am in a country that I cheer for morethan the US for a great showing. These people need their national pride back, they need acknowledgement and acceptance. It is happening and I am all for it.

Your views of me are amusing to say the least. You have me built up into something that can not be defended, pretty convenient I guess. 

You have no idea how I feel when I listen to the soldiers stories that surround me.  You have no idea how I felt when I flew over Baghdad in a chopper and looked down to see the poverty that the Iraqis are living with. You have no idea as to how I felt after learning of the cruelty of Saddam and his sons, while I am looking at the very places these atrocities have taken place. You have no idea how proud I am that we are not going to leave these people until they can help themselves ( I hope). These people do not need a civil war like you contend, they need peace in their lives, they need stabilty, they need some one to stand up for them until they are able to stand for themselves. Cam, I have been moved to tears with thoughts all of these things.  Things finally are getting better and these people deserve it. Hate Iraqis? Far from it.
But this is a country where women now predominantly wear the Burqa and where there is currently more Islamic violence than in almost any other country. It is a country where over 95% of the population practice the religion you hate. It is a country whose legal system stems from Sharia law. I'm sorry if I'm putting 2 and 2 together and getting four here. I'm sorry that if calling something a duck when it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.
1. not hardly

2. Don't see the irony, you are the most arrogant asshole in this forum.

3. I volunteered to come here because I was asigned this project and it went to war. I was not going to bail out on my job and quit because this project came to Iraq. I follow this project.

4. Iraq can do whatever it wants, just keep it in Iraq. I do not want to see their laws, or their society prevailing in the western society that I live in. I am sorry if you can not see the difference.


ALL of my posts against Islam has been anti-terrorism posts, or anti Islam in western society posts. Western society and Islam does not mix. I have never ever made a post against Muslims. Again I know acknowledging that is harmful to your arguments against my beliefs but that is the truth.
2008-07-28 16:29:58
usmarine
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war profiteer.  lulz.  we are all profits of war.
2008-07-28 16:30:47
lowing
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usmarine wrote:

war profiteer.  lulz.  we are all profits of war.
No, I am different, apparently.
2008-07-28 16:31:26
usmarine
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lowing wrote:

usmarine wrote:

war profiteer.  lulz.  we are all profits of war.
No, I am different, apparently.
well says the potato crowd.
2008-07-28 16:35:54
CameronPoe
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lowing wrote:

Iraq can do whatever it wants, just keep it in Iraq. I do not want to see their laws, or their society prevailing in the western society that I live in. I am sorry if you can not see the difference.
So we do agree on something.

lowing wrote:

ALL of my posts against Islam has been anti-terrorism posts, or anti Islam in western society posts. Western society and Islam does not mix. I have never ever made a post against Muslims. Again I know acknowledging that is harmful to your arguments against my beliefs but that is the truth.
Well unfortunately for you lowing, Muslims do live in western society and they are going to have to adapt in order to progress. They pose us no meaningful major threat and there is no 'takeover' happening.

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2008-07-28 16:37:54
CameronPoe
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lowing wrote:

2. Don't see the irony, you are the most arrogant asshole in this forum.
You are every bit as stubborn and arrogant as I am. At least my style is a persona, not sure about yours. You wouldn't hear me going on like this, trying to subtly troll for shits and giggles, in 'real' life.
2008-07-29 04:18:33
Dilbert_X
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No particular point - just wanted FEOS to wake up to a sea of 'Last post Dilbert_X'
Oh er Go Cam!
Fuck Israel
2008-07-29 05:25:15
lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Iraq can do whatever it wants, just keep it in Iraq. I do not want to see their laws, or their society prevailing in the western society that I live in. I am sorry if you can not see the difference.
So we do agree on something.

lowing wrote:

ALL of my posts against Islam has been anti-terrorism posts, or anti Islam in western society posts. Western society and Islam does not mix. I have never ever made a post against Muslims. Again I know acknowledging that is harmful to your arguments against my beliefs but that is the truth.
Well unfortunately for you lowing, Muslims do live in western society and they are going to have to adapt in order to progress. They pose us no meaningful major threat and there is no 'takeover' happening.
I do not care about Muslims Cam, I do not want ISLAM prevailing in western society. That is and has always been the focus of my discussions. If a Muslim comes to the west and adapts to the west and contributes to the west and blends into the west I have no problem.

You and I part company when I maintain the opinion, that if a Muslim does this, he is no longer practicing Islam.
2008-07-29 05:26:17
CameronPoe
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lowing wrote:

You and I part company when I maintain the opinion, that if a Muslim does this, he is no longer practicing Islam.
I guess we do.
2008-07-29 05:28:02
lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

2. Don't see the irony, you are the most arrogant asshole in this forum.
You are every bit as stubborn and arrogant as I am. At least my style is a persona, not sure about yours. You wouldn't hear me going on like this, trying to subtly troll for shits and giggles, in 'real' life.
well Cam, I don't either, I have feelings and worries and emotions just like you do, surprise surprise.
2008-07-29 05:34:42
lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

You and I part company when I maintain the opinion, that if a Muslim does this, he is no longer practicing Islam.
I guess we do.
Now that we agree to disagree on this point. Are you willing to acknowledge that my attitude is against Islam and not Muslims? Any chance that you will acknowledge that when I speak of Islam, I am not speaking of "every Muslim in the world"? Any chance that you can see the difference, Cam?
2008-07-29 05:55:44
Dilbert_X
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You and I part company when I maintain the opinion, that if a Muslim does this, he is no longer practicing Islam.
So we're agreed George Bush is no longer a practising Christian?
Fuck Israel
2008-07-29 06:14:02
lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

You and I part company when I maintain the opinion, that if a Muslim does this, he is no longer practicing Islam.
So we're agreed George Bush is no longer a practising Christian?
ANY one that does that not follow the teachings of Christ is a Christian. Regardless of what they call themselves.

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2008-07-29 06:17:25
Dilbert_X
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ANY one that does that not follow the teachings of Christ is a Christian. Regardless of what they call themselves.
Did you miss a 'not' there?
Fuck Israel
2008-07-29 06:28:39
lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

ANY one that does that not follow the teachings of Christ is a Christian. Regardless of what they call themselves.
Did you miss a 'not' there?
yeah I did:

To be clear, anyone that does not follow the teachings of Christ is not a Christian. Regardless of what they call themselves.

Thanks for the correction
2008-07-29 06:44:35
Braddock
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lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Iraq can do whatever it wants, just keep it in Iraq. I do not want to see their laws, or their society prevailing in the western society that I live in. I am sorry if you can not see the difference.
So we do agree on something.

lowing wrote:

ALL of my posts against Islam has been anti-terrorism posts, or anti Islam in western society posts. Western society and Islam does not mix. I have never ever made a post against Muslims. Again I know acknowledging that is harmful to your arguments against my beliefs but that is the truth.
Well unfortunately for you lowing, Muslims do live in western society and they are going to have to adapt in order to progress. They pose us no meaningful major threat and there is no 'takeover' happening.
I do not care about Muslims Cam, I do not want ISLAM prevailing in western society. That is and has always been the focus of my discussions. If a Muslim comes to the west and adapts to the west and contributes to the west and blends into the west I have no problem.
Are you praying to Allah and turning to Mecca 5 times a day during your stay in Iraq lowing? Why should Iraqis have to put up with you and your western ways in their country when you would not do the same if the scenario were reversed?
2008-07-29 06:50:37
FatherTed
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Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Iraq can do whatever it wants, just keep it in Iraq. I do not want to see their laws, or their society prevailing in the western society that I live in. I am sorry if you can not see the difference.
So we do agree on something.


Well unfortunately for you lowing, Muslims do live in western society and they are going to have to adapt in order to progress. They pose us no meaningful major threat and there is no 'takeover' happening.
I do not care about Muslims Cam, I do not want ISLAM prevailing in western society. That is and has always been the focus of my discussions. If a Muslim comes to the west and adapts to the west and contributes to the west and blends into the west I have no problem.
Are you praying to Allah and turning to Mecca 5 times a day during your stay in Iraq lowing? Why should Iraqis have to put up with you and your western ways in their country when you would not do the same if the scenario were reversed?
To be fair, wherever you go you should be allowed to practice your religion with respect.


But i know what you mean
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2008-07-29 06:58:27
Braddock
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FatherTed wrote:

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

I do not care about Muslims Cam, I do not want ISLAM prevailing in western society. That is and has always been the focus of my discussions. If a Muslim comes to the west and adapts to the west and contributes to the west and blends into the west I have no problem.
Are you praying to Allah and turning to Mecca 5 times a day during your stay in Iraq lowing? Why should Iraqis have to put up with you and your western ways in their country when you would not do the same if the scenario were reversed?
To be fair, wherever you go you should be allowed to practice your religion with respect.


But i know what you mean
Well obviously, but lowing is talking about how he cannot tolerate anyone who refuses to blend in with the society they have chosen to be in and yet he is now in a country where the legal system derives from Shariah law, where women predominantly wear the Hijab and where the Islamic way of life is the order of the day and all he does is bitch and moan incessantly online about Islam, Muslims and extremist interpretations of the faith.

Someone who hates Islam moving to an Islamic country to make a living...a tad hypocritical if you ask me.

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2008-07-29 07:00:37
FatherTed
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Braddock wrote:

Someone who hates Islam moving to an Islamic country to make a living...a tad hypocritical if you ask me.
This is the best part of it
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2008-07-29 07:04:17
CameronPoe
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lowing wrote:

Now that we agree to disagree on this point. Are you willing to acknowledge that my attitude is against Islam and not Muslims? Any chance that you will acknowledge that when I speak of Islam, I am not speaking of "every Muslim in the world"? Any chance that you can see the difference, Cam?
I can see the difference, I just don't see the relevance given that it's the practice that matters, not the religion. Jewish people, who have an archaic and violent religion, eventually managed to integrate successfully into American society (not so well in Europe I grant you) - that should give us hope for the future.
2008-07-29 07:20:35
lowing
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Braddock wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

Braddock wrote:


Are you praying to Allah and turning to Mecca 5 times a day during your stay in Iraq lowing? Why should Iraqis have to put up with you and your western ways in their country when you would not do the same if the scenario were reversed?
To be fair, wherever you go you should be allowed to practice your religion with respect.


But i know what you mean
Well obviously, but lowing is talking about how he cannot tolerate anyone who refuses to blend in with the society they have chosen to be in and yet he is now in a country where the legal system derives from Shariah law, where women predominantly wear the Hijab and where the Islamic way of life is the order of the day and all he does is bitch and moan incessantly online about Islam, Muslims and extremist interpretations of the faith.

Someone who hates Islam moving to an Islamic country to make a living...a tad hypocritical if you ask me.
I have already addressed this Braddock.
2008-07-29 07:22:17
lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Now that we agree to disagree on this point. Are you willing to acknowledge that my attitude is against Islam and not Muslims? Any chance that you will acknowledge that when I speak of Islam, I am not speaking of "every Muslim in the world"? Any chance that you can see the difference, Cam?
I can see the difference, I just don't see the relevance given that it's the practice that matters, not the religion. Jewish people, who have an archaic and violent religion, eventually managed to integrate successfully into American society (not so well in Europe I grant you) - that should give us hope for the future.
Then they are NOT practicing their religion. Whatever they are practicing needs to be called something else.

 

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