xBlackPantherx
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I don't know if I'm the first one to see this, I seriously doubt it, but I've never heard this before. While playing today, after quite recently coming back to playing BF2 after a long time of playing CSS, I hopped on a really fun 24/7 Dalian and had the opportunity to constantly fly jets and helis on both teams round after round and got to dogfight against several very skilled Chopper teams and 3-Star General jet pilots which was a nice challenge and change of pace from CSS and old BF2. Anyways, the point being, I switched between J10's and F35's through several rounds and I happened to notice some things.

I realized why F35's are somewhat inferior. They usually can't turn near as sharp, except maybe if you put on the afterburner while turning it seemed (joysticks help), and they don't go as fast which ultimately makes it much harder to track the J10. Also the infamous lock-on inability. But, does it really not lock on?

I think it does even if it says its not. There were several several times that it said it wasn't locked on (this was after I made sure he dropped his flares as using a joystick helped me track him easier) and I fired off 2-3 missiles and they actually hit and killed the J10 from full health. There was also several times that it said it wasn't locked on, as the J10 was near the edge of my screen and they have a tighter turn radius, that I fired off 3 missiles optimistically and about 5 seconds after giving up once the J10 went off my screen my missiles actually hit and killed him. This happened many times and, using this new insight, I could easily take on a J10. This new insight just made me usually fire missiles when i normally wouldn't and...well...that's about it. This tended to work with helicopters as well but I usually had to slow down to make sure they drop their flares on time. This technique seemed to work after the pilot dropped his flares.

So, this thread was made mainly to see what other people thought, if they've had this same experience, or if everyone knows this and I'm just a complete dumbass. So, discuss, provide other techniques for F35's vs J10's, etc what ever you want.
dtacs
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+126|6093|Australia
First off, thankyou for actually explaining the thread.


Also, if they can't turn as fast what about just turning up sensitivity? i have mine on max for jets and helis.
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xBlackPantherx
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+142|6601|California

Acreta wrote:

Also, if they can't turn as fast what about just turning up sensitivity? i have mine on max for jets and helis.
Well, my Logitech mouse has a 3 level sensitivity adjuster on top of it that I often use for switching between normal play and sniping or going in between games and it didn't really seem to do much. The sensitivity between my mouse, keyboard and joystick are all different but there only seems to be a maximum (or I guess it'd be minimum) turn radius. Remember that what ever sensitivity you have flying the F35 you have on the J10 as well.
dtacs
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+126|6093|Australia
I don't like flying jets but isn't it generally better to have a higher sens?
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xBlackPantherx
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+142|6601|California
Well, too high of sensitivity leads to inaccuracy when using the chain gun and when bombing. There's still a minimum turning radius for each jet though and what ever sensitivity you have for one you have for the other.

Last edited by xBlackPantherx (2008-08-23 22:41:11)

aimless
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+166|6383|Texas
You can't turn a jet any faster with higher sensitivity.
Hakei
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+295|6254

aimless wrote:

You can't turn a jet any faster with higher sensitivity.
TopHat01
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+117|6163|CA
But using a Joystick is obviously better then M+K, especially an F-35 pilot w/ a joystick and a J-10 with M+K.  I've flown J-10's and usually easily get locked on and killed, but I'm a terrible pilot in the first place, but also I don't have/use a joystick, so I put myself at an incredible disadvantage.  TBH, I use a Jet as a taxi, usually.
xBlackPantherx
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+142|6601|California

Hakei wrote:

aimless wrote:

You can't turn a jet any faster with higher sensitivity.
Exactly. So I'm thinking it's those two things combined, the speed and turning difference that makes the J-10 slightly better. Not really the lock-on or hitbox
0akleaves
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+183|6872|Newcastle UK
j-10 slightly better lmao, get 2 of the same skilled pilots, get 1 in a j-10 and 1 in a f35, they become un equal however if you think when flying you can easily kill the fuckers just plan it dont fly along the water for all to see.
You have to learn the rules of the game and then you have to play better than anyone else.
1scarface3
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+2|6365|Alton,IL.
I can snipe you while in a jet. lol
venom6
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+247|6817|Hungary

1scarface3 wrote:

I can snipe you while in a jet. lol
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+422|6581|Orrstrayleea
If you fire a missile with a lock, then lose the lock, that missile will still hit, providing you re-gain a lock before the missile passes your target.
Arnie_Ze_Austrian
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+55|6400
There's loads of threads on this.  If you fire multiple missiles without getting a full lock, the first one will fly off to the moon and miss, but the others will have a decent chance of hitting.  If you're a long way back or in a tight turn, it rarely works.  If you're a few plane lengths back and they're flying straight though, it usually works.  I'd say I've got a ~75% success rate when it comes to taking down J-10s using this technique.  Just come down behind them as they're lining up a bombing/strafing run.  In bomb mode, use your burners to close in to within a few plane lengths.  Then, switch to missiles and IMMEDIATELY spam off all of your missiles.  In most cases, if the pilot is dumb enough never to check his six, then he won't react in time to flare and/or break out of a straight line.  I.e. in the time it would take to get a normal 'full' lock and fire a missile, you've already emptied 5-6 missiles into the back of them and then started climbing to complete the hit & run.

If the pilot isn't crap and actually looks behind him every so often, then you will have much less luck with this technique as you won't be able to get behind them very easily.  For most J-10 noobs, it works perfectly, though.  The F-35B is actually my favourite jet nowadays, mainly because it's a challenge to fly it and survive and, crucially, on most servers you can actually get one without being constantly blocked & TKed.  I don't score that heavily in it, but I always have fun trying to be a nuisance to the J-10s and enemy choppers

As for the joystick debate:
I flew with a crap joystick (Saitek Cyborg Evo) for a while, then I switched to mouse & kb for a hundred hours or so, then I bought a Logitech 3D Pro joystick. 

3D pro > Mouse & KB > Evo, IMO.

I find dogfighting a lot easier with the joystick, but I was a lot better at strafing choppers & ground targets using the mouse & kb (maybe I will get better as I practice more with the 3D pro joystick, though).

Last edited by Arnie_Ze_Austrian (2008-08-24 05:34:29)

CanadianLoser
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well comparing a J10 to an F35 is much like comparing claymores to the 20th century.  claymores have killed more people, despite the wars of the 20th century that have led to millions of deaths.  All in all J10 are more powerful than F35s, but that can be countered by claymore spamming.  This brings out the morals of a player who (like myself) despises claymores in bf2 and irl.  In the end, J10's usually take the cake.




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Pea....Tear.....Griffen wrote:

If you fire a missile with a lock, then lose the lock, that missile will still hit, providing you re-gain a lock before the missile passes your target.
not with the F-35.whenever i come across one i just fire off 3-4 missiles and then fly off to do other business.9 times out of 10 i'll get the kill message a few seconds later.
Anewgirl
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+12|6411|Vermont U.S.A
Sigh* I like the f35 better ' not many pilots in pubs with skillz to worry about anyways.
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Anewgirl wrote:

Sigh* I like the f35 better ' not many pilots in pubs with skillz to worry about anyways.
You should start playing on European servers.
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xBlackPantherx
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+142|6601|California
I literally never look behind me in a jet unless its to watch where my bombs hit (read about that technique a while back and greatly improves your bombing) and I'd still consider myself a decent jet pilot. I can take a J-10 ~40-75% of the time, if they aren't that great, and like ~25-40% if they are good. I have a harder time escaping them because of the better turn radius and speed but sometimes. So, I don't like that looking behind you (or not looking behind you for that matter) says how good of a pilot you are. I can usually keep track of the enemy jets through spottings or lock-ons etc. At least on a map like Dalian.
Arnie_Ze_Austrian
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+55|6400
I literally never look behind me in a jet
Fine, but neither do the people I constantly mug using missile spamming.  You'd also be amazed at the amount of people who will start flying in a pedestrian fashion the moment you stop locking them.  "Oh, I'm not being locked, so it must be OK".  IMO the only way to be sure is to change views momentarily.
xBlackPantherx
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+142|6601|California

Arnie_Ze_Austrian wrote:

I literally never look behind me in a jet
Fine, but neither do the people I constantly mug using missile spamming.  You'd also be amazed at the amount of people who will start flying in a pedestrian fashion the moment you stop locking them.  "Oh, I'm not being locked, so it must be OK".  IMO the only way to be sure is to change views momentarily.
Hahahaha, that's actually what I rely on some of the times. I usually just lock onto them real fast to make them drop their flares and then I switch to bombs to make them think they got rid of me then out comes chain gun and 4 missiles half way up their exhaust.
thepilot91
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+64|6494|Åland!
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=36576

there you have it all...best flight  tutorial ever acording to me , also learn to stratorun...takes some time but after 20-30 runs of practise its a pica a cake
xBlackPantherx
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+142|6601|California
Stratorun?
aimless
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+166|6383|Texas

xBlackPantherx wrote:

Stratorun?
Fly to about 800 altitude with the F-35 then put on your afterburners. You can outrun missles, but are still easy to follow.
thepilot91
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+64|6494|Åland!

aimless wrote:

xBlackPantherx wrote:

Stratorun?
Fly to about 800 altitude with the F-35 then put on your afterburners. You can outrun missles, but are still easy to follow.
about 800 at dalian and 850 at wake...you probably need to be medic because you often have to get out of bounds before the missile alarm shuts down and the missiles blows...

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