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2008-10-11 19:23:57
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,447|6464|Winland

So, I've modified my rather random network a bit, and unsurprisingly, it isn't working exactly as I want.

It consists of three computers; LAPTOP, MEDIA and GAMING. LAPTOP and GAMING running Vista, whilst MEDIA is running XP. They're all connected to a good ol' huge 100TX 24-port switch from like 2000, that leads to my modem. The lappy through a Netgear access point. Here's how it is:

All computers can access the internet.
LAPTOP can see and access all three computers, and RDC to MEDIA.
GAMING can see and access LAPTOP and itself, sometimes MEDIA.
MEDIA can see GAMING, but not LAPTOP.

They're all in the same workgroup (WORKGROUP), all have IPV6 disabled, and have just about the same configurations. LAPTOP sometimes appears in the browser on MEDIA, but it isn't accessible. It is from GAMING, however.

EDIT: Apparently FahMon can update the stats from MEDIA. What is wrong here?

Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2008-10-11 20:01:13)

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
2008-10-11 19:35:56
TimmmmaaaaH
Damn, I... had something for this
+725|6706|Brisbane, Australia

Ah networking, isnt it lovely.
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2008-10-11 19:44:31
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
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TimmmmaaaaH wrote:

Ah networking, isnt it lovely.
It is indeed.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
2008-10-11 19:53:13
TheDonkey
Eat my bearrrrrrrrrrr, Tonighttt
+163|5984|Vancouver, BC, Canada
Mhmm.

I'm currently watching Rush Hour 2 on our TV while posting on a Mac.

Edit: Mom was takin pictures of the the dog, and when she was done, I couldn't find a card reader so I paused the movie, popped the card into the slot on the laptop that's connected to the TV, shared out the folder and we looked at the pics from the comfort of the couch Networking is the greatest invention since computers.

Last edited by TheDonkey (2008-10-11 20:03:37)

2008-10-11 20:01:49
Freezer7Pro
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TheDonkey wrote:

Mhmm.

I'm currently watching Rush Hour 3 on our TV while posting on a Mac, and moms surfing on the other couch
...
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
2008-10-11 20:04:12
TheDonkey
Eat my bearrrrrrrrrrr, Tonighttt
+163|5984|Vancouver, BC, Canada
Damn, beat me to my edit. Read it.
2008-10-11 20:07:26
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
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TheDonkey wrote:

Damn, beat me to my edit. Read it.
And that has to do with this, how?
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
2008-10-11 20:12:30
TheDonkey
Eat my bearrrrrrrrrrr, Tonighttt
+163|5984|Vancouver, BC, Canada

Freezer7Pro wrote:

TheDonkey wrote:

Damn, beat me to my edit. Read it.
And that has to do with this, how?
Bleh, iPhail, The laptop connected to teh TV is connected over WiFi to my computer, where my movies are all kept.

And when I plugged the SD card into the laptop, I accessed the pictures, again, over WiFi from the couch
2008-10-11 23:17:16
Defiance
Member
+438|6938

TL;DR: Check your software.

As far as the network goes, the fact you can get internet (well, the absence of a router is strange... switch to the modem eh?) and the laptop can 'see' all the others eliminates any physical problem.

Disable all the ICMP blocking from Windows Firewall (even if the firewall is disabled, it may still block ICMP so disable it in the advanced firewall settings) and ping all the computers when you can or can not see them in the network browser. As well as try to connect to them via hostname, a la \\GAMING\.

After that, you probably know of the problems with Vista and XP connections. If not, google will provide a handful of solutions that may or may not work.
2008-10-12 03:18:00
Freezer7Pro
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Defiance wrote:

TL;DR: Check your software.

As far as the network goes, the fact you can get internet (well, the absence of a router is strange... switch to the modem eh?) and the laptop can 'see' all the others eliminates any physical problem.

Disable all the ICMP blocking from Windows Firewall (even if the firewall is disabled, it may still block ICMP so disable it in the advanced firewall settings) and ping all the computers when you can or can not see them in the network browser. As well as try to connect to them via hostname, a la \\GAMING\.

After that, you probably know of the problems with Vista and XP connections. If not, google will provide a handful of solutions that may or may not work.
Last night before I went to sleep, I could access and ping all the computers from LAPTOP. When I got up, I couldn't even access one. I messed arround with those settings in MEDIA, and doing so would allow incoming pings, and access for a little while.

TheDonkey wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

TheDonkey wrote:

Damn, beat me to my edit. Read it.
And that has to do with this, how?
Bleh, iPhail, The laptop connected to teh TV is connected over WiFi to my computer, where my movies are all kept.

And when I plugged the SD card into the laptop, I accessed the pictures, again, over WiFi from the couch
I still fail to see how this adds to the topic. If you didn't notice, I'm asking for help here, not creating a thread to show off your home network.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
2008-10-12 03:29:13
Moist.Niek
Member
+11|6251
What does IPv6 do?
2008-10-12 04:03:05
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
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Moist.Niek wrote:

What does IPv6 do?
It's a new form of IP adresses. It's not always fully compatible with older routers and switches, so I tend to leave it off.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
2008-10-12 04:59:17
FFLink
There is.
+1,380|6957|Devon, England
Faulty hardware/wires?
2008-10-12 05:06:04
Freezer7Pro
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FFLink13 wrote:

Faulty hardware/wires?
All cables are under a year old, swapping out the switch does no good.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
2008-10-12 06:21:06
Benzin
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Jamesy, shut up.

What about updating the hardware to something that isn't so old?
2008-10-12 07:16:51
Freezer7Pro
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CapnNismo wrote:

Jamesy, shut up.

What about updating the hardware to something that isn't so old?
Gigabit switches are fuck expensive around here (50+€), and I'm not gonna spend even a cent on another 100Mbit. Plus, there's no improvement when I swap my 24-port for another 100Mbit 8-port switch. Everything seems to be completely random. Sometimes ping request go through, sometimes not. Sometimes I can access all shared folders on MEDIA, sometimes not. The only thing that's consistent is RDC. I can always RDC to media, no matter if pings or sharing work.

Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2008-10-12 07:20:50)

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
2008-10-12 12:54:50
Benzin
Member
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Well if you're not willing to switch, I might have something you can compare the problem to - maybe it's similar.

My father has a 1988 Mercedes 300E. Recently, one of the computer modules, the one that controls the fuel pump and injectors, was acting up. Once the car got warmed up, the motor would shut down because it wasn't getting fuel. He didn't know it was this module until after chasing down other possibilities and discovered this one. He opened the module up and found a short. Re-soldered it and then it was working a bit. Replaced the module with a new one and the problem no longer exists. He spoke with a Mercedes mechanic and he said that as those modules get old, when they get hot the micro-switches and other components would fail.

Now your router is what? 8 years old? What I am thinking is that from over the years of constant operation, a part or two controlling the data transfer has just finally failed. So you can open the router up and see if you can see anything that has shorted and see if its repairable, OR you can buy a new unit.

I personally don't know why €50 is that huge of an investment, though. It's really not THAT much. I imagine you got enough crap around your house you can sell for €50 ...
2008-10-12 13:25:45
Freezer7Pro
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CapnNismo wrote:

Well if you're not willing to switch, I might have something you can compare the problem to - maybe it's similar.

My father has a 1988 Mercedes 300E. Recently, one of the computer modules, the one that controls the fuel pump and injectors, was acting up. Once the car got warmed up, the motor would shut down because it wasn't getting fuel. He didn't know it was this module until after chasing down other possibilities and discovered this one. He opened the module up and found a short. Re-soldered it and then it was working a bit. Replaced the module with a new one and the problem no longer exists. He spoke with a Mercedes mechanic and he said that as those modules get old, when they get hot the micro-switches and other components would fail.

Now your router is what? 8 years old? What I am thinking is that from over the years of constant operation, a part or two controlling the data transfer has just finally failed. So you can open the router up and see if you can see anything that has shorted and see if its repairable, OR you can buy a new unit.

I personally don't know why €50 is that huge of an investment, though. It's really not THAT much. I imagine you got enough crap around your house you can sell for €50 ...

I wrote:

There's no improvement when I swap my 24-port for another 100Mbit 8-port switch.
Or when I use the switch in my modem, or when I use two other switches. And I'm not going to buy a new one, as I don't need one. If I need to transfer files faster than 10MB/s, I just take a CAT5e cable and run it between the computers. The problem here is obviously not in the switch.

Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2008-10-12 13:27:04)

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
2008-10-12 13:36:42
Benzin
Member
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OK - let me ask you this. Does it HAVE to be wireless??? Why not just get some CAT5 cables and run the computers together? Pop a few holes in the wall near the computers and run it around in the space between the roof and the ceiling. Then you have guaranteed networking.

But then the laptop becomes a problem - takes away the wireless. Hmmm ... If you could still transfer files and everything would get done with CAT5 cables and your laptop can access the Net wirelessly, then I would just do that. Have a dedicated spot in the house for your laptop to connect to the network through a cable and then all the other times, run it through the wireless.

Done?
2008-10-12 13:40:35
Freezer7Pro
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CapnNismo wrote:

OK - let me ask you this. Does it HAVE to be wireless??? Why not just get some CAT5 cables and run the computers together? Pop a few holes in the wall near the computers and run it around in the space between the roof and the ceiling. Then you have guaranteed networking.

But then the laptop becomes a problem - takes away the wireless. Hmmm ... If you could still transfer files and everything would get done with CAT5 cables and your laptop can access the Net wirelessly, then I would just do that. Have a dedicated spot in the house for your laptop to connect to the network through a cable and then all the other times, run it through the wireless.

Done?
The laptop isn't the problem. It's about the only one that works well. The wireless access point I have is configured to basically be an invisible ethernet cable.

The problem is the MEDIA computer (and probably software related). You see, everything works absolutely wonderfully and extremely perfectly well, except for some file access on MEDIA. GAMING and LAPTOP can see each other. Hell, I backed up 30GB files from GAMING to LAPTOP just yesterday. It's only MEDIA that is the problem!
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
2008-10-12 13:57:23
Benzin
Member
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OK then. Could it be a bad wireless card in MEDIA that is causing the problem? Try swapping the cards between GAMING and MEDIA? Just don't forget which is the good one ... perhaps mark something on the card that is working.

If that doesn't work, perhaps a bad bus somewhere on MEDIA's motherboard? A bad PCI port?
2008-10-12 14:01:42
Freezer7Pro
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CapnNismo wrote:

OK then. Could it be a bad wireless card in MEDIA that is causing the problem? Try swapping the cards between GAMING and MEDIA? Just don't forget which is the good one ... perhaps mark something on the card that is working.

If that doesn't work, perhaps a bad bus somewhere on MEDIA's motherboard? A bad PCI port?
MEDIA isn't on wireless. Everything is wired except for LAPTOP, and both GAMING and MEDIA use integrated NICs. I'm quite certain it isn't a hardware problem, as both ping requests and RDC, which is a quite bandwidth-demanding application, work fine.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
2008-10-12 14:32:02
Nessie09
I "fix" things
+107|6936|The Netherlands
try opening port 443 (or was it 433) on your firewall.
2008-10-12 21:57:40
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,054|7038|PNW

If you only have three rigs, might I suggest a four-port router? The remaining port can lead to the switch for anything else (LAN party, if you're into that).
2008-10-12 22:46:02
Benzin
Member
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Well then I am totally out of ideas. Though I suspect the XP/Vista mix-up might be contributing.

 

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