Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7019|132 and Bush

Last week it was 48/45.
Obama Opens 14-Point Lead On McCain

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Almost as many GOPers say they’re unbothered by Obama’s associations as those who say they’re bothered by Wright or Ayers.

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OrangeHound
Busy doing highfalutin adminy stuff ...
+1,335|7068|Washington DC

I honestly don't think the polls mean squat this year ... we don't know what we want, we are fluctuating all over the place between these two candidates.  There will likely be a LOT of opinions formed in the 24 hours prior to the election.

I think Obama's base is more solid than McCains ... but, I wonder how much the Bradley Effect will influence that base.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7019|132 and Bush

A close or semi close poll doesn't mean squat. An absolute blow out is probably a good indicator. If not there will a lot of egg on the face. They missed the mark during the primaries, but not by that much.
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SealXo
Member
+309|6954

OrangeHound wrote:

I honestly don't think the polls mean squat this year ... we don't know what we want, we are fluctuating all over the place between these two candidates.  There will likely be a LOT of opinions formed in the 24 hours prior to the election.

I think Obama's base is more solid than McCains ... but, I wonder how much the Bradley Effect will influence that base.
Thats interesting.

Who knows im just going to wake up on the 6th and if its obama im going to move to canada because my dad still has citizenship there heck yes.
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6812|The Gem Saloon
do you guys think the polls even have any accuracy? i have always doubted that they do, but i dont know how they poll people. i mean, i have never been contacted by them, nor has anyone that i know.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6956|Long Island, New York
Bush had a very, very minor lead in the poll of polls going into the '04 Elections. A lead of only 1.5. I think we know how that election turned out.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry.html

And now in the RCP Poll of Polls, Obama's got a lead of 8.2. That is substantial.
SealXo
Member
+309|6954

Parker wrote:

do you guys think the polls even have any accuracy? i have always doubted that they do, but i dont know how they poll people. i mean, i have never been contacted by them, nor has anyone that i know.
some are some arnt there is usually a margin of error posted +/-. but some of them even admit to polling an excess of minorities which totally jacks it up.

he might be down in popular but in the toss ups hes only behind by like 2 or 3 points in a few states.

Last edited by SealXo (2008-10-14 21:26:02)

{M5}Sniper3
Typical white person.
+389|7178|San Antonio, Texas
The polls don't mean anything, like they ever have.

Oh and remember, Bradley effect = riots in the streets.

Last edited by {M5}Sniper3 (2008-10-14 21:49:03)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7019|132 and Bush

This map provides a state-by-state overview of the current polling. States for which we (Princeton Election Consortium) are currently at least 95% confident in the outcome are considered “safe states” and are colored in the darkest color. States for which we are less confident in the outcome are more lightly colored (proportionally) based on the direction in which they are currently leaning (either towards Obama, or towards McCain). States which we currently view as tied are colored in white. Those states which are currently polling for Obama are colored in blue, and those for McCain are colored in red.

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    *  As of October 14, 8:00PM EDT:
    * Obama: 354
    * McCain: 184
    * Meta-margin: Obama +6.18%


Our accuracy compared with national poll averages

The question arises: how good is the Meta-Analysis in comparison with a more conventional measure such as an average of multiple national polls? Answer: Today, the Meta-Analysis is over four times as accurate as an average of recent national polls. Furthermore, it gives an estimate in the units that matter - electoral votes. Here’s why.

Averaging is an excellent way to see past variation in individual data points. A standard measure of how well you know the true average is the standard error of the mean (SEM), which can be thought of as a multiple-poll version of the famous Margin of Error. Today, the SEM of the last 6 polls is 2.3%, a fairly typical value.

But the Meta-Analysis uses dozens of polls at any given moment from states in contention, and over 100 polls in all… Look at today’s Meta-Analysis, which gives an EV estimate of Obama 329, McCain 209, an EV margin of 120 EV. The Popular Meta-Margin is 3.36%, which gives a linear conversion of 120/3.36=36 EV per percentage point. (Remarkably, linearity is not a bad assumption, as seen in past election data.) Our 95% confidence band is 70 EV wide. Typically, such a confidence band is about 4 times the SEM, making our equivalent SEM 18 EV. This converts to about 0.5% - less than one-fourth the SEM of the Pollster.com average.

An important caveat is individual states are polled less frequently than the nation as a whole. Therefore the Meta-Analysis responds more slowly to changes in opinion. But since it is so much more accurate, it’s still likely to be a better way to detect swings. I can’t prove that - not yet, anyway…
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AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6571|what

From this point on, it's Obama's to lose.

McCain has one more realistic chance of turning the tide during the final 1 on 1 debate, however with the economy the focus, McCain is struggling.
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topal63
. . .
+533|7136

TheAussieReaper wrote:

From this point on, it's Obama's to lose.

McCain has one more realistic chance of turning the tide during the final 1 on 1 debate, however with the economy the focus, McCain is struggling.
Erm, I am thinking his only realistic chance would be to... you know... eh... shoot "that one."
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6742|New Haven, CT

topal63 wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

From this point on, it's Obama's to lose.

McCain has one more realistic chance of turning the tide during the final 1 on 1 debate, however with the economy the focus, McCain is struggling.
Erm, I am thinking his only realistic chance would be to... you know... eh... shoot "that one."
So whoever replaced Obama, or Obama, could get every sympathy vote in America? That wouldn't even be a viable strategy.

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FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6829|'Murka

Parker wrote:

do you guys think the polls even have any accuracy? i have always doubted that they do, but i dont know how they poll people. i mean, i have never been contacted by them, nor has anyone that i know.
They're spot on if they line up with what one thinks. They're skewed if they don't.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

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Braddock
Agitator
+916|6708|Éire
Are those polls really worth the paper they're written on?

I still think McCain will win.

Last edited by Braddock (2008-10-15 03:33:16)

Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|6120|College Park, MD

FEOS wrote:

Parker wrote:

do you guys think the polls even have any accuracy? i have always doubted that they do, but i dont know how they poll people. i mean, i have never been contacted by them, nor has anyone that i know.
They're spot on if they line up with what one thinks. They're skewed if they don't.
lol

But really, I think my family's been contacted once in all the time we've lived in the US. Might have to do with the fact that none of us can vote >_>
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AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6571|what

Vote Obama - If you were running for President, he'd vote for you!
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Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
+2,206|7228|Nårvei

Polls have shown to be a very good indicator infront of most elections ... the last polls right before the elections have a tendency to mirror the final result ...

The question is how does a poll affect the voter, this has been debated frequently on Norwegian television ... many voters takes pride in giving their vote to the guy that won the election and decides who to vote for because the poll favor him/her at the moment ... shallow yes but it do happen ...

The other issue is can we trust the poll because of the last argument, it leaves great power in the hands of the poll makers ... is the poll constructed ? .. if one poll show a minor lead another poll can be adjusted either way to turn or enchance the result of the poll and yet another poll is adjusted and so forth ...

Polls are smelly imho ...
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FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6829|'Murka

Varegg wrote:

Polls have shown to be a very good indicator infront of most elections ... the last polls right before the elections have a tendency to mirror the final result ...
Not really. Penultimate polls (and exit polls) for both the 2000 and 2004 elections showed Gore & Kerry winning, respectively. Didn't quite turn out that way.

Varegg wrote:

The question is how does a poll affect the voter, this has been debated frequently on Norwegian television ... many voters takes pride in giving their vote to the guy that won the election and decides who to vote for because the poll favor him/her at the moment ... shallow yes but it do happen ...

The other issue is can we trust the poll because of the last argument, it leaves great power in the hands of the poll makers ... is the poll constructed ? .. if one poll show a minor lead another poll can be adjusted either way to turn or enchance the result of the poll and yet another poll is adjusted and so forth ...

Polls are smelly imho ...
This is a great point. It is similar to the situation we have in the States of the media calling an election for a given candidate with 1-2% of ballots counted and polling stations still open on the West Coast. There has been concern that that practice causes people to not come out and vote, as the election is a done deal, according to the media. They have supposedly changed their policies to limit their projections until after all polling stations have closed, but they still tout polls and whatnot instead.

It's very frustrating. The only poll that should be published is the results of the election. Period.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7039|London, England
I'm going to put down £10 on McCain winning. That way, it's a win win for me. I mean, I want Obama to win. So if he wins, that's a win for me. But if McCain wins, I get some money.

Now

Where can one go about actually putting this marvellous plan into action
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6524|eXtreme to the maX
Anything could happen, right up to the last minute.
Democraps have a knack of throwing this sort of lead away.
i have never been contacted by them, nor has anyone that i know.
I was polled once.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2008-10-15 06:00:06)

Fuck Israel
OrangeHound
Busy doing highfalutin adminy stuff ...
+1,335|7068|Washington DC

Another factor (and one in which explains why poll results are so different):

I was reading a Washington Post article on polling (too lazy to find the reference), but it was discussing the struggle that pollsters have in getting accurate results  -  not because people lie, but because about 50% of people approached refuse to answer.  Who are these non-answering people?  Typically white and lower educated.  How do these vote?  Republican?

The pollsters believe that they account for this in their numbers, and that's primarily the reason why CBS can have a double digit difference but Zogby only 4 points - it is all how the pollsters estimate the votes of this non-answering group of people.
destruktion_6143
Was ist Loos?
+154|7045|Canada

SealXo wrote:

OrangeHound wrote:

I honestly don't think the polls mean squat this year ... we don't know what we want, we are fluctuating all over the place between these two candidates.  There will likely be a LOT of opinions formed in the 24 hours prior to the election.

I think Obama's base is more solid than McCains ... but, I wonder how much the Bradley Effect will influence that base.
Thats interesting.

Who knows im just going to wake up on the 6th and if its obama im going to move to canada because my dad still has citizenship there heck yes.
lol, ya Canada isnt any better dude. i'd rather have obama as prez than Harper as PM
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7103|United States of America
He has made some very poor choices in his campaign that have certainly tarnished my image of him. Right now, he just seems too...Republican. Although, even my parents, who are quite conservative, became dissatisfied with the Republican ticket after his choice of Palin (although my Mom did declare as a Dem in the primary to get Obama over Hillary, but somehow she still won the state, yet not in our county).
topal63
. . .
+533|7136

DesertFox- wrote:

He has made some very poor choices in his campaign that have certainly tarnished my image of him. Right now, he just seems too...Republican. Although, even my parents, who are quite conservative, became dissatisfied with the Republican ticket after his choice of Palin (although my Mom did declare as a Dem in the primary to get Obama over Hillary, but somehow she still won the state, yet not in our county).
He looks like a reluctant Republican to me. In nearly every rally and news clip I've seen as soon as someone, in the crowd, says something objectionable his eyes squint and dart to and for. And, he looks like he's thinking: "I can't believe I let Bush's top people run my campaign. Why did I let them unleashed the fear-&-loathing beast."
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7019|132 and Bush

This last week I've seen more negative ads from Obama. Much more.
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