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2009-05-22 16:22:00

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TC.Troy: Let the rough side drag; +111|6998

Thursday Practice speeds:

01 N. Rosberg Williams 1:15.243 45 laps
02 L. Hamilton McLaren 1:15.445 35 laps
03 R. Barrichello Brawn GP 1:15.590 41 laps
04 J. Button Brawn GP 1:15.774 36 laps
05 F. Massa Ferrari 1:15.832 42 laps
06 S. Vettel Red Bull 1:15.847 33 laps
07 H. Kovalainen McLaren 1:15.984 45 laps
08 K. Räikkönen Ferrari 1:15.985 43 laps
09 K. Nakajima Williams 1:16.260 43 laps
10 N. Piquet jr. Renault 1:16.286 43 laps
11 F. Alonso Renault 1:16.552 39 laps
12 M. Webber Red Bull 1:16.579 27 laps
13 A. Sutil Force India F1 1:16.675 38 laps
14 J. Trulli Toyota 1:16.915 43 laps
15 S. Buemi Scuderia Toro Rosso 1:16.983 48 laps
16 S. Bourdais Scuderia Toro Rosso 1:17.052 48 laps
17 N. Heidfeld BMW 1:17.109 40 laps
18 T. Glock Toyota 1:17.207 45 laps
19 G. Fisichella Force India F1 1:17.504 45 laps
20 R. Kubica BMW no time 2 laps

The politics are BS, many drivers are fed up with it, this could be the last "good race" we see.

Go Brawn!!

2009-05-22 16:22:50

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ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|7073

Why, what's happening next? Surely the new rules aren't going to come in until next season?

2009-05-22 18:27:24

#3

TC.Troy: Let the rough side drag; +111|6998

ghettoperson wrote:
Why, what's happening next? Surely the new rules aren't going to come in until next season?

No they'arent

Ferrari have the taken the Fia to court and lost along with the threat to quit F1 completely. Toyoto mention the fact that Bernie has threathed to take Ferrari to court over breach of contract, plus Alonso statement that he doesnt want to compete with the 'smaller',teams makes this a bad situation speakesss means that thef future of F1 0qen trouble means a lot.

Plus the fact that Massa and Kimi will follow Ferrari's lead no matter what Ferrari do. Given the fact that Hamilton stated that F1 is no longer 'FUN" means that F1 is (thanks to Mosley) arent' willing to budge one inch, due to the cap (($40 million dollors) means that we could very well see the loss of Ferrari, Renault, Toyota, Bmw and Red Bull means that F1 could suffer the loss of some Very good teams.

Plus Ferrari have been in F1 for over 60 years, even with all their faults not withstanding.

2010 could be a VERY different series make me sad, to say the least.

F1 without Ferrari would be a sad, very boring series

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2009-05-22 20:31:27

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eskimo_sammyjoe: Did someone say tea?; +112|6659|S.A. Australia

TC.Troy wrote:
F1 without Ferrari would be a sad, very boring series indeed

Hardly, the series at the moment is good and as long as the quality keeps up and there's overtaking, I couldn't care less if Ferrari were there or not.

Serious Flex

2009-05-23 02:25:15

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menzo: ̏̏̏̏̏̏̏̏&#; +616|6870|Amsterdam‫

http://nl.justin.tv/justoff

live FP3

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2009-05-23 03:25:50

#6

CammRobb: Banned; +1,510|6554|Carnoustie MASSIF

Third Practice
Saturday, 23 May 2009

1 Fernando Alonso 7 Renault 1:15.164
2 Jenson Button 22 Brawn-Mercedes 1:15.233
3 Heikki Kovalainen 2 McLaren-Mercedes 1:15.278
4 Rubens Barrichello 23 Brawn-Mercedes 1:15.286
5 Felipe Massa 3 Ferrari 1:15.293
6 Kimi Raikkonen 4 Ferrari 1:15.382
7 Lewis Hamilton 1 McLaren-Mercedes 1:15.389
8 Sebastian Vettel 15 Red Bull-Renault 1:15.722
9 Nico Rosberg 16 Williams-Toyota 1:15.758
10 Mark Webber 14 Red Bull-Renault 1:15.985
11 Kazuki Nakajima 17 Williams-Toyota 1:16.103
12 Adrian Sutil 20 Force India-Mercedes 1:16.228
13 Sebastien Bourdais 11 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:16.301
14 Giancarlo Fisichella 21 Force India-Mercedes 1:16.317
15 Nelson Piquet Jr 8 Renault 1:16.382
16 Sebastien Buemi 12 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:16.432
17 Timo Glock 10 Toyota 1:16.527
18 Robert Kubica 5 BMW Sauber 1:16.599
19 Nick Heidfeld 6 BMW Sauber 1:16.661
20 Jarno Trulli 9 Toyota 1:16.810

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2009-05-23 04:40:41

#7

TC.Troy: Let the rough side drag; +111|6998

eskimo_sammyjoe wrote:
TC.Troy wrote:
F1 without Ferrari would be a sad, very boring series indeed
Hardly, the series at the moment is good and as long as the quality keeps up and there's overtaking, I couldn't care less if Ferrari were there or not.

Thats your opinion, I respect it, but I don't agree with it.

2009-05-23 04:45:10

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Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|7045|London, England

You guys have wrecked this thread with your insane BB code contraptions

2009-05-23 04:49:49

#9

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|7156|St. Andrews / Oslo

indeed Mek, this thread is seriously fucked up...

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2009-05-23 05:12:47

#10

CammRobb: Banned; +1,510|6554|Carnoustie MASSIF

Hamilton just stacked his car and is out of qualifying

2009-05-23 05:17:02

#11

liquidat0r: wtf.; +2,223|7051|UK

It seems that [list] and [quote] don't work very well together. I'll try and improve on what I've done.

2009-05-23 05:27:02

#12

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|7006|SE London

eskimo_sammyjoe wrote:
TC.Troy wrote:
F1 without Ferrari would be a sad, very boring series indeed
Hardly, the series at the moment is good and as long as the quality keeps up and there's overtaking, I couldn't care less if Ferrari were there or not.

Damn straight.

There are other great teams interested in joining F1 if the budget cap goes ahead too. Lola being back in F1 would be great! Teams all on equal budgets is a great way of leveling the field and getting more parties to compete.

I used to be a Ferrari fan (which ended when they hired Raikonnen). The way they've been behaving recently, F1 wouldn't miss them.

2009-05-23 05:27:15

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CammRobb: Banned; +1,510|6554|Carnoustie MASSIF

liquidat0r wrote:
It seems that [list] and [quote] don't work very well together. I'll try and improve on what I've done.

Cool, okay. If you do rectify it, just leave it the way it is, not fussed.

2009-05-23 05:28:23

#14

menzo: ̏̏̏̏̏̏̏̏&#; +616|6870|Amsterdam‫

fuck yeah sutil in Q2

2009-05-23 05:58:32

#15

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|7045|London, England

Ooh hamilton you numpty, but this track is easily the least forgiving of them all, shit happens, unlucky for him

Get in there Kov, bout time he started showing the goods for McLaren

2009-05-23 06:07:13

#16

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|7045|London, England

Wow, Button wins pole. I'll admit Brawn weren't looking too good here and Raikkonnen had an awesome lap there at the end but I have no idea how Button managed to pip him by 0.025s

What a class lap by him, the guy's top draw

Now time to wait for the fuel loads

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2009-05-23 06:11:53

#17

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|7156|St. Andrews / Oslo

Ferrari. Is. Back.

2009-05-23 06:37:04

#18

TC.Troy: Let the rough side drag; +111|6998

Do we want a spec series? To that I say bullshit. F1 is what it is because of the 'high tech' competition. Anything else would be a waste imvho.

2009-05-23 06:49:33

#19

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|7045|London, England

Yeah, F1 is all about the development of cars and the technical challenges, the Dubious Double Deck Diffusers™ were an example of the interesting side of car development and how innovation works in F1

2009-05-23 07:02:54

#20

TC.Troy: Let the rough side drag; +111|6998

Bertster7 wrote:
eskimo_sammyjoe wrote:
TC.Troy wrote:
F1 without Ferrari would be a sad, very boring series indeed
Hardly, the series at the moment is good and as long as the quality keeps up and there's overtaking, I couldn't care less if Ferrari were there or not.
Damn straight.

There are other great teams interested in joining F1 if the budget cap goes ahead too. Lola being back in F1 would be great! Teams all on equal budgets is a great way of leveling the field and getting more parties to compete.

I used to be a Ferrari fan (which ended when they hired Raikonnen). The way they've been behaving recently, F1 wouldn't miss them.

The hell they would'nt. I don't dispute that F1 could survive minus ANY team...but Ferrari? They have been at it for 60 years, I mean my God, it would be like having a shower with your clothes on. I know Ferrari have had thier way in the past, but my God, F1 without Ferrari would be like F1 with out the core team...geezus.

A step back and some perspective is in order here. And the series being 'good'...omg, just because Ferrari are'nt performing well atm, certainly doesnt indicate they dont need to be in F1. With all due respect...get a grip and stop jumping on the Bernie and Mosley show.

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2009-05-23 07:16:59

#21

eskimo_sammyjoe: Did someone say tea?; +112|6659|S.A. Australia

TC.Troy wrote:
Bertster7 wrote:
eskimo_sammyjoe wrote:

Hardly, the series at the moment is good and as long as the quality keeps up and there's overtaking, I couldn't care less if Ferrari were there or not.
Damn straight.

There are other great teams interested in joining F1 if the budget cap goes ahead too. Lola being back in F1 would be great! Teams all on equal budgets is a great way of leveling the field and getting more parties to compete.

I used to be a Ferrari fan (which ended when they hired Raikonnen). The way they've been behaving recently, F1 wouldn't miss them.
The hell they would'nt. I don't dispute that F1 could survive minus ANY team...but Ferrari? They have been at it for 60 years, I mean my God, it would be like having a shower with your clothes on. I know Ferrari have had thier way in the past, but my God, F1 without Ferrari would be like F1 with out the core team...geezus.

A step back and some perspective is in order here. And the series being 'good'...omg, just because Ferrari are'nt performing well atm, certainly doesnt indicate they dont need to be in F1. With all due respect...get a grip and stop jumping on the Bernie and Mosley show.

I've enjoyed this season far more than the last couple, not due to Ferrari's lack of competitiveness but due to some of the other battles that have gone on. You cant go past Webber's move on Alonso in Spain a few weeks ago, and that sort of thing has been happening a lot this year. Personally I don't like Bernie, I think he's a massive tool and a lot of his rule ideas are just crap, but I think a budget cap of some description is a good idea. The current idea sucks, I don't like the 2 tier system, but F1 needs to get together and sort a fair budget cap out at some point.

I don't want Ferrari to leave, but if they're going to throw tantrums like this rather than attempt to negotiate then let them leave I say.

Serious Flex

2009-05-23 07:33:34

#22

Bell: Frosties > Cornflakes; +362|6973|UK

Perhaps a new championship to fill the gap between F1 and GP2? It's nothing short of blasphemous to turn F1 into a stock car sport, it's supposed to have the glamour of james bond and oceans 11 combined.

Brawn has shown you dont need the budget of Ferrari to do well, however, it is really a manufacturers sport imo, the brawn, is essentially the 09 honda, with mclarens engine (two big budget teams).

A cap on spending wouldnt show up right away though, however, a few seasons down the line, I think you will start to see the sport gradually turn into stock car racing.

Martyn

2009-05-23 07:52:29

#23

TC.Troy: Let the rough side drag; +111|6998

Yes, BrawnGp is the 09' Honda, no question there. But Lola, USGPE, Aston Martin...they will ALL get thier asses handed to them, no doubt in my mind.

A cap on budget will NOT be good for the sport, niether will the exit of Ferrari, as well as Toyota, BMW, Renault or Red Bull. This (current) situation is unacceptable imo.

As far as overtaking, and or competiveness...its all been there before, this season is nothing new really. What we have seen is a few teams that were'nt competitive come to the fore, thus making it more interesting for the fans, no doubt about that.

Fighting for position has been a non-issue this year with Brawn absolutely dominating, single passes not withstanding...but in the end, we've seen single, brilliant passes in the past...I've been an F1 (as well as NASCAR) fan for better than 15 years, this season is really nothing out of the ordinary tbh.

But really, this thread is about the current GP, not a hash of the rules and the proposals...we have a thread for that. Remember?

2009-05-23 09:18:37

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menzo: ̏̏̏̏̏̏̏̏&#; +616|6870|Amsterdam‫

2009 Monaco Grand Prix
Jo Bauer
The FIA Formula 1 Technical Delegate
From The FIA Formula 1 Technical Delegate
To All concerned
Document 22
Date 23 May 2009
Time 17:48
Technical Delegate's Report

Number Car Driver Weight [kg]
01 McLaren Mercedes Lewis Hamilton 645.5*
02 McLaren Mercedes Heikki Kovalainen 644.0
03 Ferrari Felipe Massa 643.5
04 Ferrari Kimi Raikkonen 644.0
05 BMW Sauber Robert Kubica 696.0*
06 BMW Sauber Nick Heidfeld 680.0*
07 Renault Fernando Alonso 654.0
08 Renault Nelson Piquet 673.1*
09 Toyota Jarno Trulli 688.3*
10 Toyota Timo Glock 700.8*
11 STR Ferrari Sebastien Bourdais 699.5*
12 STR Ferrari Sebastien Buemi 670.0*
14 RBR Renault Mark Webber 646.5
15 RBR Renault Sebastian Vettel 631.5
16 Williams Toyota Nico Rosberg 642.0
17 Williams Toyota Kazuki Nakajima 668.0
20 Force India Mercedes Adrian Sutil 670.0*
21 Force India Mercedes Giancarlo Fisichella 693.0*
22 Brawn Mercedes Jenson Button 647.5
23 Brawn Mercedes Rubens Barrichello 648.0

2009-05-23 09:48:02

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lxcpikiman: imbad @ bf2; +70|7020|Toronto-Canada

favorite circuit race, monaco is such nice city.

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