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Bertster7 wrote:

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Finray wrote:

Semantics, you know what we meant.

Finray wrote:

Protip, brah, cccp comes with mpc.

No, you're actually completely wrong.  MPC that comes with CCCP is old, MPC-HC is great.  However, thats not what you meant, theyre totally different programs.

Just admit you dont know what you're talking about

WMP-HC is bundled with CCCP.


Are you sure you know what you're talking about?

Did they finally change it?  I havent used it in months.  Besides, using MPC-HC with just the CCCP codecs wouldnt be great, you still need a better codec pack like CoreAVC.

Yes, but if you're needing to use it you're probably not obtaining the movie in a legal manner anyways.  Its quite simple to find.

Regardless of the MPC-HC thing, I still find KMPlayer to be better in playing movies and especially aesthetic value of the player itself.

You have your controls hidden/turned off...  Theres nothing there to look good, its just the movie. That was a minor point anyways

Lucien wrote:

Minimalism can't have aesthetic value

herp derp

Honestly do you want to be right about something, anything, so badly? Nobody even gives a shit if coreavc is somehow 'better' than whatever we're using because I can't tell a difference and you haven't given me any good reasons yet.

I couldnt care less about aesthetics... I thought I made that point clear.  And yes, if you ask anyone who is serious about quality of HD movies then CoreAVC + KMPlayer is the way to go.

What quality of movies do you watch?  If youre watching xvid then nothing is going to improve it.  However, if you're watching a 1080p HD movie by a reputable internal group then yes, you will see an improvement.

Miggle wrote:

Try KMPlayer.

oh look, post 8.

Bertster7 wrote:

Winston_Churchill wrote:

What quality of movies do you watch?  If youre watching xvid then nothing is going to improve it.  However, if you're watching a 1080p HD movie by a reputable internal group then yes, you will see an improvement.

Complete nonsense.

If you really dont think that CoreAVC is a more efficient codec pack than CCCP then whatever you're talking about is complete nonsense.

Last edited by Winston_Churchill (2010-01-18 11:49:07)

Bertster7 wrote:

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Complete nonsense.

If you really dont think that CoreAVC is a more efficient codec pack than CCCP then whatever you're talking about is complete nonsense.

That's not at all what I said.

Efficiency has nothing to do with quality. The only benefit CoreAVC has is that it can do the processing faster.

In MPC-HC using CCCP with the right custom shaders written your movies will look as good as KMPlayer with CoreAVC, if not better.

And thats not at all what I said either.  I said CoreAVC is a more efficient codec, never that it would look better.  You took improvement as a different thing than what I meant.

When I use my laptop for high quality 1080p it cant do it with regular CCCP codecs, but when CoreAVC is used it can quite easily.  I never mentioned picture quality

Winston_Churchill wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Winston_Churchill wrote:

If you really dont think that CoreAVC is a more efficient codec pack than CCCP then whatever you're talking about is complete nonsense.

That's not at all what I said.

Efficiency has nothing to do with quality. The only benefit CoreAVC has is that it can do the processing faster.

In MPC-HC using CCCP with the right custom shaders written your movies will look as good as KMPlayer with CoreAVC, if not better.

And thats not at all what I said either.  I said CoreAVC is a more efficient codec, never that it would look better.  You took improvement as a different thing than what I meant.

When I use my laptop for high quality 1080p it cant do it with regular CCCP codecs, but when CoreAVC is used it can quite easily.  I never mentioned picture quality

If that's not what you meant you should choose your words more carefully. (The first sentence there is a question, the following two are answering it. You refer to video quality and then state that you will see an improvement - this is not the case. You may see an improvement if you have a slow computer. Also your first mention of efficiency is highlighted above.)

Winston_Churchill wrote:

What quality of movies do you watch?  If youre watching xvid then nothing is going to improve it.  However, if you're watching a 1080p HD movie by a reputable internal group then yes, you will see an improvement.

Personally I prefer the improvements in video quality that you can get from MPC-HC. KMPlayer has inferior functionality for those who know what they're doing.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2010-01-18 12:59:33)

Winston_Churchill wrote:

I never said picture quality and neither of you showed a post where I said that.  As a general rule of thumb, the higher the quality of the movie the more strain it will put on your media player to output it.  Most computers, even low end can play 720p and even scene quality 1080p, but once you get into the higher bitrate 1080p movies they cant play it without proper codecs and media players.  CoreAVC offers this advantage over CCCP.

Have you ever tried using CoreAVC on something that could otherwise not play a movie?

Yes you did.

Whether you meant to or not is another matter. But in the post we've quoted you clearly did say that.


In any case, CoreAVC is a premium codec pack you need to pay for. To buy it or illegally obtain when you don't need it is stupid. Since any vaguely modern CPU (C2D or newer) can easily decode 1080p content without breaking a sweat then it's really not that useful.

MPC-HC allows you to customise your shaders completely to optimise playback for your displays absolutely perfectly. This means you can get better quality from MPC - which is far more important than being able to playback obscenely high quality video on rubbish computers.

You've got your priorities all wrong.

Bertster7 wrote:

Winston_Churchill wrote:

I never said picture quality and neither of you showed a post where I said that.  As a general rule of thumb, the higher the quality of the movie the more strain it will put on your media player to output it.  Most computers, even low end can play 720p and even scene quality 1080p, but once you get into the higher bitrate 1080p movies they cant play it without proper codecs and media players.  CoreAVC offers this advantage over CCCP.

Have you ever tried using CoreAVC on something that could otherwise not play a movie?

Yes you did.

Whether you meant to or not is another matter. But in the post we've quoted you clearly did say that.


In any case, CoreAVC is a premium codec pack you need to pay for. To buy it or illegally obtain when you don't need it is stupid. Since any vaguely modern CPU (C2D or newer) can easily decode 1080p content without breaking a sweat then it's really not that useful.

MPC-HC allows you to customise your shaders completely to optimise playback for your displays absolutely perfectly. This means you can get better quality from MPC - which is far more important than being able to playback obscenely high quality video on rubbish computers.

You've got your priorities all wrong.

No, I didnt.  You're reading it wrong.

And again, my very first post

Winston_Churchill wrote:

downloading Media Player Classic - Home Cinema and installing CoreAVC

I use MPC-HC on my main desktop and love it.  I prefer it in many cases.

However, the point I was making is that CoreAVC allows for high quality movies to be played on nearly any computer.  My laptop has a C2D CPU and frequently struggles and has jitter with high bitrate encodes when I use MPC-HC.  However, when I use KMPlayer it does not. 

This wasnt meant to be a MPC-HC vs KMPlayer argument.  I use both and both are great for their uses.  What I'm saying is that CoreAVC, a pack you clearly havent even tried, provides superior efficiency for playback of encodes over CCCP and the like.

Mitch wrote:

VLC plays everything

There is not a more reliable program in all of cyberspace.

I really hope thats a troll

aimless wrote:

wait so which one gives the best quality for 720/1080 movies?

Either MPC-HC or KMPlayer