BF2S Forums AA Satire (let's get defensive!)

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the best part about this thread is that a lot of the replies were from people obviously bitter at the very thought that pilots might have it slightly easier for even one second, despite the clear absurdity and ridiculous bugginess of the AA. and the automatic assumption that for me to even weigh in on this issue as anything but in favor of the new AA, despite how absurd and buggy it is, can only mean that i am one of those demonic flyboy whores who wants nothing more than to make the lives miserable of all you shitty players out there. can there be a greater vindication for the subject matter of my original post? i think not.

Last edited by ComradeWho (2006-02-21 12:14:17)

Aenima_Eyes wrote:

See. . .here is the flaw in the grounder pounder argument.  You people who aren't talented enough to learn how to fly a plane (or maybe too cheap to get a joystick) say that the patch made everything better.  That flyboys now can't just bomb at will and rack up huge scores.  Why?  Because you say that bombing a huge circle of red dots is ridiculously easy and that it was unfair to all the ground pounding fools that they kept getting blown up.

Well, my response is that you ground pounders needed to learn to stay out of the damn way.  If there are 20 people at a flag point then chances are somebody in a plane is gonna come drop a payload there.  Move somewhere else!  If you are driving that tank of yours and you see a plane coming. . .hop out and get into cover.  His box disappears making it harder to accurately drop on you.  You might not be able to see him coming so stick close to buildings and in cover so his bombing run won't be that easy.  Capping a flag?  Get inside a building instead of standing outside like a 'tard right by the flag pole.  There are PLENTY of ways to avoid being bombed if you're on the ground.  I ca't tell you how many times I spawned and got bombed by a plane. . .but guess what?  I decided that shit wasn't for me and I learned how to fly.  I also learned how to get my ass under some cover so I wouldn't get bombed. 

Why DICE/EA decides to punish the people with skill by making their lives harder I don't know.  They did such a good job catering to the people who are too stupid to fly, but they couldn't be bothered to make sure there weren't 40+ bugs associated with this patch.  Bleh.

Most retarded thing I have ever read.  Not talented enough?  Let me know when you are "talented" enough to fly a Citation X from Boston to Los Angeles and then we will talk.  Oh, and if this is your BF2 name, then you do not have the "talent" to do anything else in this game, you are the one who has no "skills."

chitlin wrote:

relax there marine were talkin about a game not real life.. not sure what flying a plane for real has to do with a game

i enojyed comrades post cuz he was dead right. everyone who finally gets a shot at the plane / helo "whore" without needing skills / eyes / arms / brain will defend the aa to the death fearing its shitty return. and if you insult the aa built for retards then they will instantly chime in that you are the "evil" that he has been empowered against with the free automatic aa kill from heaven. the power granted to all non "whores"  a rightous bolt from god to defend the noble ground dude ^^

No shit it isn't real life.  But the way that idiot talks he most likely walks around in a top gun leather jacket and wears an oxygen mask while he is playing.  If you are going to equate terms like skill and talent to a video game jet, then my point was I am not, nor will I ever be, impressed by it.  I was just trying to say that I know what it takes to fly an airplane and I am sick of these people telling people they have no skill or talent.  In my opinion, you click a fucking mouse button, not much talent or skill in that.  If you want to say somebody sucks at something or that you are better, fine, but I am just tired of people talking like they have a P.H.D in BF2.

p.s.   I liked the post too and I wasn't talking to Comrade.

Last edited by usmarine2005 (2006-02-21 16:11:27)

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Aenima_Eyes wrote:

Noob.

Let's test that theory...or were you being facetious.

I was talking to the 'tard above you who was a Sergeant, obviously.  Should have quoted him but his moronic post doesn't deserve the extra play time.

-=THC_RU=- wrote:

well from ur stats its obvious that u cant drop bombs to a UAV area with a lot of red dots, but u say it requires no skill, hmm, no skill required and u still cant do it? well of course lets sit in AA it aims and locks by it self, all i need to do is click click and boom easy points, while the pilot is trying to avoid those missiles and other planes as well.

Just try flying and see how it requires "no skill"

oh noooos!  ::Holding face like Home Alone::

My whopping 30 mins of total time in a plane as the bomber (not the pilot) is obviously proof that I can't fly!  LOL!  Please.  I don't fly because I don't like how this game models flight in general.  I am more effective on the ground and frankly, it is far more fun (in my opinion).

Regardless, your comment does nothing to refute what I said.  You don't have to lock anything with a bomb.  You aim the PIP and drop your load while doing a barrel roll into the sunset.  Pilots had no risk and all reward.

- Beatdown

Last edited by Beatdown Patrol (2006-02-21 23:07:22)

tonight i saw a pilot on daqing fire a missle, watched it get stored in burning oil derrick, and when the jet passed it the missle zoomed off and out of the flame where it was being stored and track the person who fired it - killing that pilot.

~fin~

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

That's no excuse for a patch to transfer an imbalance from one end of the spectrum to the other, when they could have just as easily eliminated it to begin with. When will people get that many pilots aren't complaining about AA missiles because they can't fly straight over enemy territory anymore, but that the physics of AA is extremely faulty? Show me one case of "realism" where some guy with a stinger is able to orbit the projectile around a bonfire for several seconds, while it waits for a passing plane to lock onto? When has anybody seen a missile immediately reverse course without inertia tearing it apart? Have you ever seen a missile, in any video, aiming for each subsequent chaff particle (carving a zig-zagging path through them like a rabid pacman after untamed pellets) before slamming into a jet or chopper?

Oh, NO, but nobody thinks about that. Critics poke fun at the new AA, so therefore they are noob pilots with noob tactics who got what was coming to them for thinking they could be so 1337. Look, I have more time on the ground than in the air. I don't have ANY problem with having missile accuracy and the fix of the clipping bug (I've only gotten shot down once by the new AA, thanks to high-altitude manuevering), but I must laugh in derision when each projectile is capable of bending reality to reach its target.

Edit: Some areas underlined for the hard of reading.

Now THIS is a great argument.  I don't necessarily agree with all of it...but a great argument.  My counter is that while I understand that the AA does some wacky things, it is the due to the nature of the game's capabilities rather than anything else.  Let's be real here.  The PRESENTATION of how aircraft are modeled in the game is what is flawed.  No fuel concerns, complete lack of any real physics, lack of weapons loadout constraints,  lack of appropriate instrumention (no RWR), countermeasures only include flares since all the missile in the game are heat seekers (ie - no worries about Radar guided missiles), battle maps that are absolutely too damn small for fast moving aircraft, and much more.  We have Helos that can barrel role, stop on a dime, take amazing amounts of damage, etc.  Even though AA is acting wacky...everything I just mentioned above is STILL acting wacky.  All things being equal, AA fits right in because it is broken by those same physics that the aircraft take advantage of.

These are faults not because the programmers don't care, but because this game's engine is not suited for the task and the design is not flexible enough to allow otherwise.  This is an engine designed and scaled for a 1st person shooter...not a flight simulator.  You could get away with it in BF1942...but not BF2.  No way.  If done correctly, the battlefield for air would need to be at least 4 times larger, more aircraft would be needed, and bonus points should be awarded to killing the targets that air should be killing.  For example, instead of only bombing the bejeezus out of ground troops, place REAL objectives for pilots like Command and Control structures , baby food factories (Desert Storm joke), SCUD missiles, Bridges, etc.  Bombers have to hit those, air superiority has to stop them.  The air in this game kill troops because...that is the only thing they CAN kill.

Pilots are mad that there is nothing they can do, but then...they really were not following any type of recognized tactics or SOP that they would use in a REAL flight sim like...Falcon 4.0, F22-ADF, Jane's Longbow and Longbow 2.  You can go even earlier to flight sims from 80s (Chuck Yeager, F15-Strike Falcon, etc.) and all of them had so much more depth than BF2, I laugh very very long when I hear about these so called pilots talking about skill.  Give me a break.  I have THOUSANDS of hours invested in those flight sims and let's be real...BF2 is a joke at a cosmic level.

People on the ground are talking about pilots with n00b tactics, but listening to these people talk, what else would one think?  The biggest Brand N00bians are the ones that try to compare airpower in this game to what the US did in Iraq and how the air power modeled in this game represents their dominance over the BF2 battlefield.  OMG....wait...I gotta stop writing for a second.  Laugh Attack.
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::whew::  Ok.  Back.  There are more examples of this flawed thinking, but I can't bring them up or I'll start laughing again.

If aircraft were to be COMPLETELY REMOVED from BF2, 95% of the players wouldn't care.

- Beatdown

Last edited by Beatdown Patrol (2006-02-22 00:19:10)

NO LIFE NITRO wrote:

yeh the AA has definitely been 200% better and much more accurate because the chopper i shot down yesterday wasnt even in my site when i shot the 2nd missile from IGLA and i blew it up also, even if you do tight manouveres it still hits really hard to dodge a AA now

Have you tried it with your hax off? It's still works pretty good.

Yum.  I love the AA guns on Sharqi.  In one shot, from the top of the Hotel, I took out two tanks, 13 ground troops, and a circus elephant dancing a trick on the crane.

yeah man!!!!! just one shot from my aa and all the airplanes start falling from the sky!!! I rox!!!! it was soooo easy, none of the jetwhiningwhores got near me afterwards. they hid in their base!!!!

the original poster is sooooooo wittyy man!!!! I laugha  lot now. ha ha! see???????

See. I play bf2 because of its ALLROUNDNESS or i would've stay on Quake and UT. I love the fact you can drive, walk and fly. But half of the idiots out there degenerate the fucking game. This is overpowered, That is overpowered, lets spend 80% of my time in Bitchand and claim its because I love the infantry combat.

Simply put, fuck you. Go play CS:S. Its a game made this way, made all round. There're two kinds of players in bf2, those who adapt and those who whine. Sure I complained about AA when it just came out, a week from then (now, that is), i get my new killstreak of 43 in a USMC plane on wake. So fuck off, I adapted, and I've been hearing the same old whines 'oh planes are overpowered flyboy, jetwh0re, planebitch'.

If you wanted to fight on the ground, go play CS, go play DOD. There are a multitude of other games out there you can have fun with. Don't cheapen the game for the rest of the community just because you're a whiny little bitch and can't get over the fact that someone's better than you. I started off the same way, I still remember I used to get ASSOWNED by this japanese player called 'Tange' in a plane ALL the fucking time. But I didn't whine, I learn to fly. On ranked servers too. Took al the criticism in my stride, racked up a nice plane ratio of 0.02 when i finally got it mastered.

So instead of pointing fingers, look at yourself first.

Edit -> Oh I just read the long post on 'realism'. All i can say to that is, that's the way the game is designed, deal with it. Fuck off if you want more realism, you want to buy a brand new copy of the game everytime you get killed?

Last edited by polarbearz (2006-02-22 02:49:47)

Beep-beep-beeeeeeep-BOOM

Haha, AA is fun, but corkscrewing down to your target with an F15 unleashing hell is even more fun!
If you know the locations of the AA and their aprox. range, it's child's play.

Minnesoter wrote:

Yum.  I love the AA guns on Sharqi.  In one shot, from the top of the Hotel, I took out two tanks, 13 ground troops, and a circus elephant dancing a trick on the crane.

You too! I knew I didn't hallucinate due to my AH1Z exhaust fumes. It was a big grey elephant in a pink jumpsuit, right?

polarbearz wrote:

See. I play bf2 because of its ALLROUNDNESS or i would've stay on Quake and UT. I love the fact you can drive, walk and fly. But half of the idiots out there degenerate the fucking game. This is overpowered, That is overpowered, lets spend 80% of my time in Bitchand and claim its because I love the infantry combat.

Simply put, fuck you. Go play CS:S. Its a game made this way, made all round. There're two kinds of players in bf2, those who adapt and those who whine. Sure I complained about AA when it just came out, a week from then (now, that is), i get my new killstreak of 43 in a USMC plane on wake. So fuck off, I adapted, and I've been hearing the same old whines 'oh planes are overpowered flyboy, jetwh0re, planebitch'.

If you wanted to fight on the ground, go play CS, go play DOD. There are a multitude of other games out there you can have fun with. Don't cheapen the game for the rest of the community just because you're a whiny little bitch and can't get over the fact that someone's better than you. I started off the same way, I still remember I used to get ASSOWNED by this japanese player called 'Tange' in a plane ALL the fucking time. But I didn't whine, I learn to fly. On ranked servers too. Took al the criticism in my stride, racked up a nice plane ratio of 0.02 when i finally got it mastered.

So instead of pointing fingers, look at yourself first.

Edit -> Oh I just read the long post on 'realism'. All i can say to that is, that's the way the game is designed, deal with it. Fuck off if you want more realism, you want to buy a brand new copy of the game everytime you get killed?

While i agree with some of that, I do not understand the "go play another game" statement.  I don't even know what CS is.  However, the same could be said about jets, if you don't like AA go play flight simmulator 2004.  Either way, I am happy with the game, annoyed by some bugs, but all around happy with it.