BF2S Forums Frendly fire for mines/claymores

i always say i'm goint to put FF on for mines/claymores, but i never do.
right now it's more of an annoyance, at least with claymores. i actually enjoy AT mines as i'm a tank whore. i have to watch where i'm going since they aren't immediately blown up by friendlies anymore.

Mj.Blindfisch wrote:

There is no other sensible way than turning the friendly fire off for mines permanently.

With FF on and blind,ignorant and punishing team-"mates" the engineer becomes totally useless on foot,there is no tactical value in claymores and AT-mines if your buddies blow them up anyway.

With FF off for mines it's awesome,the sniper becomes a real great flag defender and the engineer can finally do some more work on foot than playing wrenchmonkey for some tankwhore.

If there were a better warning system than the redskull on the right side of the screen(which should have been sufficient if somebody would actually pay attention),maybe a warning sound like the lock-on warning in the jets,we could consider turning the FF for mines back to on again,but with the average "don't give a damn"-player there is no other way than having no FF for mines!

Even worse than the ignorant ones are those who would run up to a claymore, stop, look at it for a bit, then run into it.  Same for AT mines.

Last edited by [Ahazi] Kaika (2006-03-31 06:09:45)

I want FF on.

Like saying it's the only sensible thing?

Seriously, I understand the punish dilemma for mines, but I think turning FF off altogether is a bad idea. Placing mines so that teammates will see it and get through but the enemy dont see it (or do see it, but too late to evade it) is the main skill of using them. It takes time to learn that and removing FF would throw the skill in the bin as well. Sure it's an "arcade" game (whatever that means) but why don't go ahead and remove FF altogether then so that we can spam grenades however we want as well?

My solution would be to take off the punish option for mines (after 10-15 seconds, in case it's used on the runway) and make it count as a suicide, giving -2 points.

A more (dangerous) feature would be to introduce driver responsibility, so that they get the team kill for their passengers if they drive into friendly mines. That would partly solve the problem with DPVs ramming friendly, stopped tanks as well. That better work as intended though, there should be no TKs if the enemy kills them.

Edit: btw, some of those who drive over your mines perhaps wanted to send a message that closing exits isn't a good idea? I've seen a tank driver do that once, even though he knew I could remove the mines (I was in another vehicle and had to open another closed exit for us earlier).

Last edited by voltage (2006-03-31 07:15:56)

Scorpian65 wrote:

FF off because there are to many prepubesent noobs with their finger glued to the page down key.

I would remove TK penalty and keep FF on

It makes the game more realistic when friendly fire is on for everything and that includes claymores and mines. Think about it, claymore and mines don't deceide when they want to go off and who they will go off to. If anyone gets near them they go off, it's the way they're designed, so whether it's a friend or foe it just adds a minor detail to the game in an attempt to make it more like reality. If you walked infront of any claymore or drove ontop of any AT mine, odds are you wouldn't be here reading this right now.

I am a fan of the smart mines (mainly because so many noobs were dumber than the dumb mines and couldn't walk around the mines).  However I believe that the mines in their current state are too powerfull.

There are two buffs that apply to mines.

1: smart mines
2: indestructability

Mines should be given one but not both of these buffs.

destructable smart mines could be destroyed by a smart enemy but wouldn't kill a dumb friend.

indestructable dumb mines would be able to truly kill an enemy no matter what he does (unless he is smart walks around it...if he can) but are just as likely to kill dumb friendlies.

mines should have one or the other, not both.

I like FF on everything. If the only reasons that ff should be off  is because of the players actions like not understanding that cross bones are. Or people Tking with claymores or mines, or punishing even though it was there fault they ran into them. Or any other stupid reason that can happen in FF on. Then the problem lies on ignorance in the players. There is no real reason other then "I play with idiots" so turn it off. You get tk'd in the game it sucks. some on accident some on purpose. Shit happens. If we change something every time some dumb ass, does something stupid the game will keep getting changed for the worse. I do like how it is Admin based. Some servers just should not have FF on. But let me ask you what are the CAL rules in a league match? I just think that it raizes the level of difficulty a bit. And if you are not good enough to play with it then so be it. If a server wanted to they can kick people for doing stupid shit and after a while 2 things happen. 1. server dies with lack of people. 2. Server becomes filled with people that can actually play and are not just running around like cannon fotter. (like it or not, most of you are just walking dead.)  Oh yea calymores and mines do not know if your an enemy or not. they blow up when people get close enough. In my eyes its just as bad as having FF off on everything. It just does not make any sense.

Last edited by bobroonie.bda (2006-04-06 20:01:26)

I'm glad FF isn't on, but i feel that they should make explosives descructable again. The only way to get rid of them is to sacrifce sombody (or in some cases vehicles.) Thats a bunch of crap.

lobo76 wrote:

for those who argued to keep FF on, may i ask why not ask to remove the redskull sign as well? you are supposed to look out for mines, right? u want it to be realistic right?

mines dun broadcast FoF signal, do they?

Why keep the red skull? If I were in a real fight/war (I know its just a game but give me a second) Claymore position would be transmetted to everyone and known from everyone so FF would not exist. The skull is the in game representation of that vital information.

Nah, leave FF on mines off, just make it so you can blow them up with nades again. right now its actually possible to make any flag completely inaccessable without a crash dummy mine sweeper.

Alternativly put FF back on and make it so you can pick them up. (This was EA's original plan which they changed their mind on for some reason). At least that way if your aware of what your teams up to you can move them out the way of Johnny Dumbfuck running for his red skull powerup. Personally I prefer this option as I think most people do as it requires at least some comprehention of whats happeneing around you as opposed to the "drop claymore = free kills" tactic thats going on now.

Only other way is FF on, and no points loss if a team mate runs over it... problem with that is complete pricks like NoobMurderer throwing claymores all over friendly spawn points to ruin other ppls games with no consequences, so not really an option IMO

EDIT: Typos

Last edited by TheEternalPessimist (2006-04-07 06:59:43)

I say no because of all the idiots who think the red skulls/crossbones are super magic powerups.