BUDFORCE
Moderator Emeritus
+76|7039|London UK

Im finding quite a challenge to admin our BF2 server.

I've admined Couter-Strike and Natural-Selection servers for years, but im finding BF2 is alot more difficult.

We have 2 main rules on our server (apart from the obvious no teamkilling, stats padding etc)

No FIXED basecamping, including artillery
no bunnyhopping

These rules wernt set by me, but Im usually the only one who admins the server most of the time. So firstly, no bunnyhopping.

Thing is, unless I actually see someone do this in front of me there is very little I can do about it. If someone says to me so and so is bunnyhopping, how can I tell for sure? Well anyway those found bunnyhopping will usually get a kick. It states in bright green writing that you cant do it, so as far as Im concerned that is their warning and if they get caught, its a kick.

Second no FIXED base camping. Problem is, no fixed base camping is a very broad term and can mean any number of things.  Id definatly say for example a US chopper howevering over the MEC chopper spawn point in Shiraqi would be considered fixed base camping, or a heli hovering over an enemy aircraft carrier.

So what about planes that attack the aircraft carrier, they arnt camping it as such are they? I mean its pretty hard to 'camp' travelling at 900. However, what if this plane circles around and attacks again, and again?

Is this fixed base camping?

Where do you draw the line? Is for example a tank waiting 50 metres outside a fixed base,  fixed base camping? If he lets enemys get just outside the base, then kills them?

And what about when special ops go in to blow arty and UAV, are they camping? Surely I must allow spec ops to blow commander toys, but when is it considered base camping? If they then go to steal a vehicle to escape and attack people in a fixed base to do so, are they now fixed base camping? Infact if they even shoot at anyone to defend themselfs, they could be considered base camping?

Now apart from the set rules there are other situations the need to be considered.

Take for example that there are 4 people waiting for the chopper to spawn. Say I get in as driver and someone else as gunner, and 2 people miss out. Now Im a reasonable good chopper pilot and say for example my gunner is just looking around but not shooting at anything. Say im still flying around after 25 minutes, and my gunner had not shot at a single thing, and has just made points from driver assists.

Now, is he breaking a specific rule? No he isnt. However dont you think it is unfair on the other people who missed out on getting into the chopper who could be actually doing something instead of sitting there?

Do I kick him? What if he shoots say once every ten minutes and say maybe kills one person per 30 minutes? Where do you draw the line?

I ask because I want other peoples opinions so that maybe there can be a more standardised definition of this rule across a larger number of servers, so that people are well aware of exactly what they can and cant do.

I know I just use my own discretion, sometimes people think I am harsh, but its the way I admin a server.

FInally, my last point, in my opinion people that walk infront of planes/choppers/vehicles because they didnt get to drive, with the intention of being temkilled as a form of revenge, NEED TO BE PERMANENTLY BANNED WITHOUT WARNING. These people are the lowest of low scum on BF2 and have no place playing it anywhere imo.

Anyway I look forward to your opinions.
CMDR_Dave
Redneck
+66|7108|Missoula, MT
I'm sure you'll get 'em.  Opinions that is.   

Sounds like you are trying to be fair.  The bunny hopping will get some disagreement, but it's just an opinion.  Just don't get so disgruntled that you don't enjoy the game anymore. 
wensleydale8
Member
+81|7036|LEEDS!!!!!, Yorkshire
what is the bf2s sever called i would like to see what it is like.
Dear God please let my karma one day reach 100, whether it be tomorrow or 1000 years in the future i want it to happen.
BUDFORCE
Moderator Emeritus
+76|7039|London UK

Yeah as I said I didnt set the rules, I just enforce them. Id like opions on the questions asked not the rules set. There is only 3 of us with admin on the server, me and 2 others, the 2 other guys own the server but are hardly ever on it.



EDIT: Its a multiplay UK server

Name

Bry's Battlefield 2 Ranked Server

BF2 @ 85.236.101.18:16567

Those of you who played NS might recognise us from our NS servers that we still run.

www.bryns.co.uk

Last edited by BUDFORCE (2005-10-28 04:30:31)

B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7108|Cologne, Germany

at least you actually admin the server you own. most servers I play on lack any form of admining.

By the way, I have always believed, that if you pay for the server, you make the rules. period. no one should tell you how to admin your own server. So there is actually no need to make a fixed set of rules for every possible situation. that would be insanely complex.

In the end, it will mostly be up to the decision of the admin anyway. A general set of rules like you already have is more than enough I'd say.

btw, I'd also kick the guy who gets into a chopper and then does nothing. I mean, you are also kicking idlers, aren't you ? But I would probably remind him what he is supposed to do before I'd kick....
YoBabysDaddy
Member
+31|7090|St. Louis, MO
I don't agree with the base camping and bunny hopping rule.Putting restrictions on tactics is cheap way to avoid deaths.Just my opinion though.
As far as the TKing and other stuff goes,sure.
thinner44
Member
+1|7076

BUDFORCE wrote:

No FIXED basecamping, including artillery
no bunnyhopping.
My opinion for what it's worth

The first rule: Unless you make an exception for SpecOps, anything that attacks 'fixed' camps is by definition 'basecamping' ... Some gamers will love you for this rule

The second rule: Can you really admin this rule. You said yourself, unless you see it in front of you, how else can you admin this one. If you accept messages from those that cry 'bunny hop', you'll find yourself swamped and unlikely to be able to play the game yourself.... I don't think for one minute that that's what you want.

I admire those that admin servers, those that do it properly I mean ... But don't get to the situation where you can't play it yourself because you're overwhelmed by rules and regulations, it is after all, meant to be fun
Cheers for the server info.

Having just read below Idle players, this isn't too difficult to admin. I went to the loo, 3 mins, it isn't a big house ... came back, kicked for being idle... what the hell is that all about, we gotta pee from time to time.

CMDR_Dave, the 'wheelbarrow' thing, I was 'spawn raped' by one of those, 5 Reds in it and they just kept running me down ... (will this madness ever stop )

Last edited by thinner44 (2005-10-28 05:46:20)

CMDR_Dave
Redneck
+66|7108|Missoula, MT
I agree with Schuss on every point except one.  Should idlers always be kicked?  Say if they're just in the game, but not in a vehicle or anything.  What if they are the only thing keeping the game going.  If they leave, "the game will start when 1 more player joins".  That's annoying.  I say let 'em stay.  Large maps with few players are always fun! 

One last rule you should have.  Kick anyone who is stat padding with a wheelbarrow.  That's just gotta stop! 
Raxor
Enemy Boat Spotted
+17|7111|United Kingdom
i just play at servers where the only rule are no hacks / cheats
anything else is fair game, bunny hopping (i hate it) etc

at least there a lot of servers to choose from so i choose one where pretty much anything goes
BUDFORCE
Moderator Emeritus
+76|7039|London UK

I just wish we had a few more admins, as I said I do pretty much 90% of the admining on the server but I cant be on it 24 hours a day, I have a job and a (small) social life aswell.

O and Raxor looking at your global score does pretty much anything goes include stats padding aswell :p

But yeah I do try to admin it as fairly as possible when I have the time.

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