The teamkill and punish system

2005-11-03 16:36:59

#1

Prodie: Moderator Emeritus; +270|7042|Nova Scotia, Canada

I posted in another topic that it's an automatic -4 for a teamkill, and that punishing does nothing to your score, it only goes towards getting kicked. People thought that was wrong, so I just conducted a little experiment

Heres the scoreboard, notice me starting at -2.....some team damage or something....but I START at -2. Note the guy standing in the backround

https://img320.imageshack.us/img320/5642/screen5899wa.th.jpg

Heres the scoreboard, IMMEDIATELY after I teamkilled the guy. I shot him, and pressed tab, then screenshot button in like .000001 seconds.

https://img320.imageshack.us/img320/2002/screen5901zr.th.jpg

Here he is lying on the ground dead. He punished me about 10 seconds after I teamkilled him. (Was all planned out)

https://img320.imageshack.us/img320/4154/screen5917il.th.jpg

Here's the scoreboard AFTER he punishes me.

https://img320.imageshack.us/img320/3299/screen5926jh.th.jpg

Notice the scoreboard before I teamkilled him says -2, after I teamkilled him -6, after he punishes me, -6

I rest my case.

2005-11-03 16:55:36

#2

ArkAng37: Member; +1|7112|San Antonio, TX

Some servers its 4 and some its 2. Just deppends on the server. Hate that crap.

2005-11-03 17:07:34

#3

Cyjoki: Veni, Vidi, Vici; +0|7031|Nebraska, United States

I think the point was that if you punish someone it doesn't effect their score.

But thats not even the point of the system. The way it is set up is that if you get the server set limit on punish's you get kicked or banned. (Server decision)

2005-11-03 18:19:22

#4

{DsM}SongofWar[BoC]: Member; +19|7108|Toronto, Canada

I was on a server where I got an additional -4 for TKing....so -8....ran over someone with LAV while leaving the USMC base on karkand, I get punished, -8 (I looked)

2005-11-03 18:49:05

#5

divided: Clear!; +3|7040

I always thought that you get -4 or -6 or whatever and if they forgive you then you get 2 points back, if they don't then you stay with that score..

2005-11-03 20:37:10

#6

Scorpion0x17: can detect anyone's visible post count...; +691|7033|Cambridge (UK)

There's one way to avoid all this - don't teamkill!

2005-11-03 23:59:39

#7

wensleydale8: Member; +81|7037|LEEDS!!!!!, Yorkshire

i once ended up wit a score of -17 and -13 teamwork score because kept driving infront of me when i was about to take off and they kept punishing for tk's which were there fault.

Last edited by wensleydale8 (2005-11-04 00:00:18)

Dear God please let my karma one day reach 100, whether it be tomorrow or 1000 years in the future i want it to happen.

2005-11-04 01:49:55

#8

thinner44: Member; +1|7077

Scorpion0x17 wrote:
There's one way to avoid all this - don't teamkill!

Excellent ... but you need to tell the idiots that run/drive over mines, run in front of vehicles, walk directly into line of fire.... well you know, the list is almost endless.
Most Tks are accidental, I don't think anyone (proper gamer), really wants to do a TK ... I certainly don't.

There should be a way of 'punishing' those that do stupid things... but that's probably somewhere off into the distance.. BF2000 perhaps

2005-11-04 03:14:42

#9

Coolbeano: Level 13.5 BF2S Ninja Penguin Sensei; +378|7031

but there's also something that makes this all the harder to accept for people: teamdamage before the teamkill.

I've accidentally ran over someone in my Abrams, and i got -6 because i got two team damage warnings, then the teamkill itself.

2005-11-04 03:23:33

#10

Kloczko979: Member; +1|7022

i kno that if i run over a mine by mistake or somethin happens and it was by mistake i forgive them because im not a homo

but if im about to take off on a plane and u puropisly run infront to teamkill me all hell will break lose i will come back around on that plane and bomb u its just another -4 points i can get that back quickly but for the revenge its worth it

Last edited by Kloczko979 (2005-11-04 03:24:36)

2005-11-04 03:31:14

#11

THA: im a fucking .....well not now; +609|7038|AUS, Canberra

pretty crap way to do it, if you were normal you would have killed him as medic and atleast revived him after.

2005-11-04 04:14:45

#12

section9: Member; +9|7115|USA

Why cant they implement some audible warning for teammates when they are approching another teammates explosives? or the red skull should be bigger as some people for whatever reason don't see it or just plain ignore it.And let's face it some loser's that can't play that well probably get frustrated and do it on purpose just to hear the punished teammate get upset about it.

2005-11-04 05:41:23

#13

MatRx9: Carpe Noctem; +1|7061

It may be different now but when the game came out it was like this:

A TK on a friendly with full life results in -2 for 50% team damage, -2 for the kill. Then, if they punished, it was another -4.

2005-11-04 18:57:49

#14

Supermatt: Member; +1|7016|FL

Why the hell does everyone speak out of their bums? Here is how it works, it's a fact: sometimes when you TK you get team damage which is -2. You ALWAYS get -4 for a TK no matter what. All punishing does is count torwards the default rule of 3 punishes and youre kicked (some servers have it set for more punishes req and some set to never kick). It's that easy guys. Ill say it one more time.

-2 for team vehicle/player damage
-4 for a TK

Sometimes when you TK, you get a team dmg right before it. Or if youre unlock and youre using the uber USS Essex weapon and use the chaingun on a friendly vehicle/chopper, thats about 9 billion team vehicle damages and you can pretty much play for the next 2-3 rounds to make up for it.

2005-11-05 15:51:17

#15

Prodie: Moderator Emeritus; +270|7042|Nova Scotia, Canada

Supermatt wrote:
Why the hell does everyone speak out of their bums? Here is how it works, it's a fact: sometimes when you TK you get team damage which is -2. You ALWAYS get -4 for a TK no matter what. All punishing does is count torwards the default rule of 3 punishes and youre kicked (some servers have it set for more punishes req and some set to never kick). It's that easy guys. Ill say it one more time.

-2 for team vehicle/player damage
-4 for a TK

Sometimes when you TK, you get a team dmg right before it. Or if youre unlock and youre using the uber USS Essex weapon and use the chaingun on a friendly vehicle/chopper, thats about 9 billion team vehicle damages and you can pretty much play for the next 2-3 rounds to make up for it.

Thank you!

2005-11-05 16:56:46

#16

BladeRunner: Member; +5|7016|UK

I'll pretty much always forgive a TK unless:

1) Someone is being an idiot beyond reasonable excuse
2) Someone is TKing so they can get to that vehicle before me

Half of the time it's an honest mistake or accident, the other half...it's my fault. Occasionally (if I've had a particularly bad time I'd consider punishing someone if they didn't bother to stretch out a finger or two and saying 'Sorry'...but it has to be a really bad time)

2005-11-05 23:15:57

#17

Greenie_Beazinie: Aussie Outlaw; +8|7081

-2 damage; -4 TK; -8 TK+Punish.

2005-11-06 03:41:54

#18

Scorpion0x17: can detect anyone's visible post count...; +691|7033|Cambridge (UK)

thinner44 wrote:
Scorpion0x17 wrote:
There's one way to avoid all this - don't teamkill!
Excellent ... but you need to tell the idiots that run/drive over mines, run in front of vehicles, walk directly into line of fire.... well you know, the list is almost endless.
Most Tks are accidental, I don't think anyone (proper gamer), really wants to do a TK ... I certainly don't.

Yeah, I know. I've been the victim of idiots that can't see mines, run in front of my vehicle, etc, etc, etc, just as much as anyone.

(And I play with 3D map icons OFF and I still spot mines before I run over them (most of the time - in the heat of the battle it sometimes happens, but that's what 'forgive' is for))

Hence the ...

2005-11-06 04:09:23

#19

=Robin-Hood=: A stranger in the dark; +213|7088|Belgium

Scorpion0x17 wrote:
And I play with 3D map icons OFF

Why would you do that?

For Tk, I believe they should be a little milder with the point punishment. Hell, it is a war game, do you think that in real life people don't get hit by friendly fire? Accidents happen... In WW2 the Russians actually used friendly fire as a motivation, not that I find it an agreeable method, but anyways.

As for the punishment button, it should not imply an auto-kick vote, but more a "punished player does not get access to any vehicle during 30 seconds". That would end all Tk for vehicles, because those players don't care about the -4 points. Getting punished by mine-o-philic players? Well, to bad, but 30 seconds is not an eternity.

R

ps.: The TK wait idea was based on an idea from Lazarus Tag'lim (http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=3885)

2005-11-06 04:16:18

#20

Scorpion0x17: can detect anyone's visible post count...; +691|7033|Cambridge (UK)

=Robin-Hood= wrote:
Scorpion0x17 wrote:
And I play with 3D map icons OFF
Why would you do that?

Because I prefer it that way.

2005-11-06 04:27:51

#21

Lazarus Tag'lim: Have Wrench, Will Travel; +1|7048|Alabama Coast, USA

Kloczko979 wrote:
i forgive them because im not a homo

No, it seems you are a homophobe... which is far worse (and studies seem to indicate that the most vehement homophobes are actually closet homosexuals, ashamed of themeselves, what irony... though in this instance it's probably a case of Chronic Juvenile Syndrome).

Anyone here who has set up a server? It may be that in the settings you can set team damage, TK, and punish penalties, and on some servers tested, punish penalty is 0, on some it's 2, etc. Not meaning to speak out of turn claiming it's so... just asking the question.

2005-11-06 06:13:17

#22

[Ahazi] Kaika: The Suicidal Soldier; +3|7029

Prodie wrote:
I posted in another topic that it's an automatic -4 for a teamkill, and that punishing does nothing to your score, it only goes towards getting kicked. People thought that was wrong, so I just conducted a little experiment

Heres the scoreboard, notice me starting at -2.....some team damage or something....but I START at -2. Note the guy standing in the backround

http://img320.imageshack.us/img320/5642 … 9wa.th.jpg

Heres the scoreboard, IMMEDIATELY after I teamkilled the guy. I shot him, and pressed tab, then screenshot button in like .000001 seconds.

http://img320.imageshack.us/img320/2002 … 1zr.th.jpg

Here he is lying on the ground dead. He punished me about 10 seconds after I teamkilled him. (Was all planned out)

http://img320.imageshack.us/img320/4154 … 7il.th.jpg

Here's the scoreboard AFTER he punishes me.

http://img320.imageshack.us/img320/3299 … 6jh.th.jpg

Notice the scoreboard before I teamkilled him says -2, after I teamkilled him -6, after he punishes me, -6

I rest my case.

No, it actually all depends on the server you are playing on. The point system varies from server to server, and I have gotten extra - points for punishes.

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