Dilbert_X
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uziq wrote:

on the bright side, dilbert is getting his wish. musk’s new task force - which isn’t at all named after a crypto memecoin from 4 years ago - is going to take AN ENGINEER into every department of government and make sweeping cuts. remember when elon said on the campaign trail that they could take TRILLIONS off the deficit?

what could possibly go wrong? after all, the STEM lords and technologists are back in control. cutting 90% of staff and unceremoniously booting out half of the company’s expertise worked so well for twitter … which reminds me, i haven’t opened my 10 DMs from crypto scammers and AI porn bots today.
I had to look up what DOGE meant but I'm sure this will end well.
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The material conditions of these people will not get better in the next 4 years. They sure will feel like winners though.
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

The material conditions of these people will not get better in the next 4 years. They sure will feel like winners though.
the politics of ressentiment, as old as nietzsche first writing on the new phenomenon of mass culture.

https://img.libquotes.com/pic-quotes/v4/leo-strauss-quote-lbp4z8m.jpg

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Dilbert_X wrote:

LMAO

https://i.imgflip.com/9hdd1z.jpg
you can credit musk with one small thing: he says the quiet part out loud in your worldview. all this 'let the experts take control in government' is just thinly veiled power fantasies and fears of racial replacement from tech dweebs.
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uziq wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

The material conditions of these people will not get better in the next 4 years. They sure will feel like winners though.
the politics of ressentiment, as old as nietzsche first writing on the new phenomenon of mass culture.

https://img.libquotes.com/pic-quotes/v4/leo-strauss-quote-lbp4z8m.jpg
Shifting goal post is something I noticed with these people too.

They told our generation "go to college and get an education." Once their kids turned out to not be college capable or couldn't afford it suddenly "you don't need college to be successful."
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
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i think that's just a cultural expression of a very real shift in the economy. the middle-class has been squeezed, elite professions are either closed shops or have been aggressively (and loudly) recruiting from minority/special backgrounds, and the boomers who benefit from the speculative rise in property and asset prices don't want to reach down to help up the younger generations. couple that with the fact that universities (and university-educated 'elites') have been explicitly targeted by populists for ideological reasons, as part of the culture wars.

the value of a university education has been reassessed in both terms of economic return-on-investment and cultural prestige. there's been a post-trump renascence in 'red state' cultural values that is kind of putting manosphere-adjacent blue-collar vibes over desk work. see all the hit tv shows about oil men and ranchers and everything else; it's kind of like a revival of the simple, unlettered, straight-shootin' reagan 'a cowboy-from-hollywood' aesthetics.

plus biden started giving out loan forgiveness during his term. see above about resentment.

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so trump's set about pardoning his private terrorist army like he said he was going to do. the qanon shaman's arming up.

i wouldn't have been surprised if trump threw those people under the bus, but i guess we're speedrunning down all the bad ending forks in this story.
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This is what people wanted. Society went too woke. People must get shot for it.
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Vivek is out of Trump inner circle. The hopes of millions of Hindus is going with him 😭
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i really just can't understand the stupidity of that man setting a bomb under his own political ambitions like that. must be classic hubris from a not-too-bright individual.

all he had to do was keep off social media during the xmas holidays.

instead he decided to go on a giant tirade, on a topic clearly close to his own heart (read: personal grievance), about how the american worker is indigent, lazy, and no good. on their main national holiday and week off. with the eyes and ears of the whole nation listening to the rumblings from the trump train and amplifying all news/gossip.

tremendously dumb. how do you ever run for high office when you have called that entire country inferior and deficient in public?
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I could tell he was fucked when he got a placement on DOGE instead of something with a title and paycheck. The DOGE thing was way before he complained about Americans being lazy but it is still a nonsense thing.

...

I assume the stuff about culture and blah was stuff V.R. has said about black people in private during his career. People probably agreed with it and he thought it was applicable to white Americans. Clearly not.

This current administration is so clearly not at all interested in being seen as not racist. You have to have really internalize racism to not see it as a brown person. It reminds me of 2002.

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i think the ohio thing is a 'disgraced roman consul banished to the far provinces of the empire' thing.

how is a rustbelt ex-industrial state meant to take the 'american workers are second-rate' candidate ... a very roman style of political oblivion.

from what i've read about him online, it seems his own 'american dream' example of grit and talent and determination and pulling-up-by-own-bootstraps involved pumping and dumping medical stock and falsifying results about an alzheimer's cure. so fuck him. i hope early onset dementia gets him.

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Dilbert_X
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uziq wrote:

instead he decided to go on a giant tirade, on a topic clearly close to his own heart (read: personal grievance), about how the american worker is indigent, lazy, and no good. on their main national holiday and week off. with the eyes and ears of the whole nation listening to the rumblings from the trump train and amplifying all news/gossip.
Which is funny since the average indian is too lazy to dig a hole and lay a plank across it so his family doesn't have to shit in a field.
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Dilbert_X
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

the politics of ressentiment, as old as nietzsche first writing on the new phenomenon of mass culture.

Shifting goal post is something I noticed with these people too.

They told our generation "go to college and get an education." Once their kids turned out to not be college capable or couldn't afford it suddenly "you don't need college to be successful."
There are different sides to it, the basic education system has been so dumbed down average students have no hope of progressing.

Its funny though, all the jobs the xeeting classes have sneered at, engineering, IT etc that they were happy to import Indians for are now the highest paid.

you can credit musk with one small thing: he says the quiet part out loud in your worldview. all this 'let the experts take control in government' is just thinly veiled power fantasies and fears of racial replacement from tech dweebs.
Why do you have a pathological fear of dweebs? Is there some childhood trauma - like me being forced into English Lit O-level - that you haven't shared? Serious question.
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uziq wrote:

musk’s new task force - which isn’t at all named after a crypto memecoin from 4 years ago - is going to take AN ENGINEER into every department
Why is this so bad?
I think its a whole lot better than the default position in the UK - every department has to be run by some chump who went to Eton, studied - lightly -something irrelevant at Oxford and gets drunk at the right clubs.
After about 100 years of failure I think its worth a try.
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the civil service aren't staffed by old etonians who bluffed their way to the top, though. that characterisation is about 75 years out of date. it doesn't really even describe the majority of the foreign office, typically the most blue-blooded and rarefied of departments, excepting the obvious ambassador-class appointments. it doesn't even describe the last handful of MI5/MI6 bosses.

why do you think a mechanical engineer or a software boss can run a department whose remit is, say, environmental protection or green energy? this idea that a STEM degree grants you some sort of genius insight into all aspects of the world is really just as silly as the idea that people who can quote cicero or elaborate on aristophanes will have an easy grasp of any ministerial portfolio. there's nothing 'technocratic' about giving the reins over to ideologues from silicon valley who are high on their own supply. as i keep reminding you, with a copious number of examples from history, we have tried this 'let's run society like a cybernetic system/engineering problem' thing dozens of times, and they've all fallen into the same trap.

lots of civil and government-adjacent organisations in the UK are chaired by people with absolutely zero background in the subject but who are appointed because they are notable 'business leaders' or 'experienced in running large organisations' or somesuch. it doesn't work. just this month the chair of the criminal cases review commission (CCRC) in the UK had to resign in disgrace after overseeing a review body that was repeatedly failing to deliver on its promises for hearing legal appeals. what was the qualification of the boss, helen pitcher, to oversee extremely important matters of justice? non-executive director of United Biscuits and a realtor in the balkans. bravo. tell me some more about how we need successful businesspeople and people with 'practical expertise' heading up vitally important organs of the state.

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uziq wrote:

thinly veiled power fantasies
That reminds me, I'm watch the TV series about Lockerbie.

I'm definitely having a personal bodyguard of foxy chicks with tight outfits and AK47s like Gadaffi.

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Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

instead he decided to go on a giant tirade, on a topic clearly close to his own heart (read: personal grievance), about how the american worker is indigent, lazy, and no good. on their main national holiday and week off. with the eyes and ears of the whole nation listening to the rumblings from the trump train and amplifying all news/gossip.
Which is funny since the average indian is too lazy to dig a hole and lay a plank across it so his family doesn't have to shit in a field.
indians in america earn the highest average salaries of any ethnicity and work some of the longest hours. their work ethic is fine, if somewhat at odds with the work ethic and lifestyle of mainstream americans.

there's billions of indians and if only their top 5% want to emigrate for the top jobs, that's a major problem for american workers when their boss class (read: elon musk and techlords that you venerate like a teenaged boy) happily want to game and abuse the H1B system to employ them.

up until about 15 years ago 'the average chinese' lived a life in the mud out in the rural hinterlands, too. that doesn't mean that their top 20% of STEM graduates don't run circles around you, either, dilbert.

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Dilbert_X
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uziq wrote:

the civil service aren't staffed by old etonians who bluffed their way to the top, though. that characterisation is about 75 years out of date.
https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/456847/05-20-borisvdave-01.jpg?w=1280&h=853&f=c88958015b078f0d26a7756c10afeece
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i'm talking about the civil service and you're talking about elected officials?

DOGE's remit is to go into departments and axe bureaucrats, is it not? what do elected representatives have to do with it?

is the american system of political appointments better than the UK cabinet? i don't think so. take a cursory look at trump's picks. at least the UK government isn't literally run on gangster racketeerism and nepotism.

and why is it automatically better if the 'consultants' doing the departmental thinning are engineers rather than mckinsey types? do you really think an engineer-consultant is going to do a better job? lmao.

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SuperJail Warden
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uziq wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

instead he decided to go on a giant tirade, on a topic clearly close to his own heart (read: personal grievance), about how the american worker is indigent, lazy, and no good. on their main national holiday and week off. with the eyes and ears of the whole nation listening to the rumblings from the trump train and amplifying all news/gossip.
Which is funny since the average indian is too lazy to dig a hole and lay a plank across it so his family doesn't have to shit in a field.
indians in america earn the highest average salaries of any ethnicity and work some of the longest hours. their work ethic is fine, if somewhat at odds with the work ethic and lifestyle of mainstream americans.

there's billions of indians and if only their top 5% want to emigrate for the top jobs, that's a major problem for american workers when their boss class (read: elon musk and techlords that you venerate like a teenaged boy) happily want to game and abuse the H1B system to employ them.

up until about 15 years ago 'the average chinese' lived a life in the mud out in the rural hinterlands, too. that doesn't mean that their top 20% of STEM graduates don't run circles around you, either, dilbert.
I think people in the West forget how large India and China are. Their middle class, the "middle class values" types, outnumber our entire population in the U.S. They also have the advantage of an understanding of the English language and culture that the Chinese don't have due to the communist cutting western culture off.

Indian tech workers moving into the West is just a different spin on the challenge from China a few decades ago. China built up their tech economy domestically. They have Chinese alternatives to everything in their part of the world. India seems to have gone the route of allowing their workers to go abroad and become part of international tech whatever.

The recent backlash to Indians online is unsurprising since it happens every time America's in group faces an economic challenge that requires them to work harder. As a brown American the "Indians only hire Indians" complaint is funny too. "Whites only hire whites" was denounced as reverse racism when it was pointed out not too far back.
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i also think people like dilbert are poorly adapted to the coming century. they are dinosaurs. their victorian hierarchies of spurious race science are not going to matter a jot in comparison to the waves of innovation and research coming out of places like china (and to a lesser extent india). 'b-b-but they don't have western individualist genius! they're not creative innovators!!!' it's pure cope.

"we should have a society that privileges STEM and venerates engineers" ... [china has 1000 technical universities, 20 of which are in the world top100] ... "oh, no no! not like that! you're a backwards people!"

recent backlash against indians sort of tracks with the fact that huge numbers of its population have finally joined the 'online' community in a big way. they were kind of ghettoised up until the 2010s. it doesn't help that coeval with their developing net infrastructure is a huge wave of hindutva nationalism under modi. a lot of the vocal indians joining in with the online conversation are every bit as chauvinistic as dilbert.

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I saw a lot of comments about the 'number of patents made in America' and shit like that under Vivek Twitter posts. A lot of cope. People acting like Steven Jobs' success with the iPod somehow makes them better too.

...

A lot of Trump people don't look like success. I mean throughout my childhood and early adulthood I was told success was Mitt Romney. Clean cut and in a suit.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Mitt_Romney%27s_official_gubernatorial_portrait.jpg/640px-Mitt_Romney%27s_official_gubernatorial_portrait.jpg

Instead you get this nonsense. Tattoos, big beards, dressed down outfits. Etc.

https://s.france24.com/media/display/2d65d806-6a60-11ef-a2c6-005056bfb2b6/w:900/p:3x4/848ff69a229a58947ab6716e394068c7c73c8ad1.jpg

Frankly it seems like regression. Like there is a whole subset of regressed conservative white people who latched onto Trump because they couldn't cut it with the professional white upper class everyone was told to emulate.
https://s.marketwatch.com/public/resources/images/MW-FI973_two_fa_ZQ_20170327100148.jpg
The perplexing thing is that Trump is part of that bougie upper class.
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trump's tastes are very vulgar and lumpen-proletariat, though. it's part of his whole animus and backstory against the manhattan elite and old money types. new money/old money distinctions evidently matter far less in the new world than the old, but i think there's still a lot of upper-class snobbery about trump. his style of politics and the way he wields power is populist in that it caters to the basest instincts, not bougie establishment values.

'money doesn't buy class', which is just as well because the MAGA lot aren't invested in those hierarchies, anyway. you can be a rich oligarch and totally skip the entire social and cultural capital aspect of being ruling class. just look at bezos in the front row at the inauguration ceremony with his heavily modified bimbo girlfriend wearing an open blazer and an exposed corset. the aesthetics of that spectacle are more 'WWE' than anything.

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