SEREMAKER
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lowing wrote:

SEREMAKER wrote:

lowing wrote:

need some free advice by anyone that owns or has shot a sig sauer P220 carry,  FNP 45 and or an HK .45. I am in the market for another .45. I want an SAO or SA/DA.
price budget ?
below 1200 dollars.

Thought about a 1911 either springfield or Kimber, but 1911's seem to be finicky to say the least and Kimber especially now has questionable quality from what the forums say
kimber is mostly a name brand ... I've got springfield 1911 and absolutly love that thing ....... what I really like about 1911 are parts easy to find and easy to repair or easy to modify .... after about 1000 rounds the only thing I've done to my springfield is drop the trigger pull from 5.2 lbs to 3 lbs
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lowing
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SEREMAKER wrote:

lowing wrote:

SEREMAKER wrote:

price budget ?
below 1200 dollars.
personally I like the SIG P220 Combat TB, smooth trigger, recoil was suprising very minimal,
I read a lot of good things about the P220 it will be a carry weapon in an M3 shoulder holster. ALready have a Glock 30 SF that I carry, so I think the all metal P220 will be a good addition. Have you shot any of the others I mentioned?

Last edited by lowing (2011-02-11 14:18:47)

SEREMAKER
BABYMAKIN EXPERT √
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lowing wrote:

SEREMAKER wrote:

lowing wrote:


below 1200 dollars.
personally I like the SIG P220 Combat TB, smooth trigger, recoil was suprising very minimal,
I read a lot of good things about the P220 it will be a carry weapon in an M3 shoulder holster. ALready have a Glock 30 SF that I carry, so I think the all metal P220 will be a good addition. Have you shot any of the others I mentioned?
I've put a box through a HK but it just didn't sit well in my hands, I just couldn't get a comfortable rythme like I could with a sig
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lowing
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SEREMAKER wrote:

lowing wrote:

SEREMAKER wrote:


personally I like the SIG P220 Combat TB, smooth trigger, recoil was suprising very minimal,
I read a lot of good things about the P220 it will be a carry weapon in an M3 shoulder holster. ALready have a Glock 30 SF that I carry, so I think the all metal P220 will be a good addition. Have you shot any of the others I mentioned?
I've put a box through a HK but it just didn't sit well in my hands, I just couldn't get a comfortable rythme like I could with a sig
Well, I am heavily leaning toward the sig. Your opinion is consistent with what I have been reading. Thanks.
west-phoenix-az
Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does
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I've owned a few Sigs and been disappointed in all of them. Don't know if I'll purchase another.

I prefer the grip of the HK over the FNP-45, but the FNP-45 is less money and has larger capacity magazines.

Have you held any of them?
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SEREMAKER
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lowing wrote:

SEREMAKER wrote:

lowing wrote:


I read a lot of good things about the P220 it will be a carry weapon in an M3 shoulder holster. ALready have a Glock 30 SF that I carry, so I think the all metal P220 will be a good addition. Have you shot any of the others I mentioned?
I've put a box through a HK but it just didn't sit well in my hands, I just couldn't get a comfortable rythme like I could with a sig
Well, I am heavily leaning toward the sig. Your opinion is consistent with what I have been reading. Thanks.
no problem at all
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lowing
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west-phoenix-az wrote:

I've owned a few Sigs and been disappointed in all of them. Don't know if I'll purchase another.

I prefer the grip of the HK over the FNP-45, but the FNP-45 is less money and has larger capacity magazines.

Have you held any of them?
yeah, but never shot any of them..and as far as looks and features, they seem to match up pretty well. The FNP-45 and the HK are pretty big guns, not that the P220 is a pocket pistol itself, but to carry I think the P220 would be more manageable.

What didn't you like about your sigs?
1stSFOD-Delta
Mike "The Spooge Gobbler" Morales
+376|6243|Blue Mountain State

lowing wrote:

need some free advice by anyone that owns or has shot a sig sauer P220 carry,  FNP 45 and or an HK .45. I am in the market for another .45. I want an SAO or SA/DA.
I'd say go with the HK. My USP 45 is by far my favorite handgun. I rented the new HK45 the last time I was home and it was awesome. It fits in your hand like a glove.


SEREMAKER wrote:

kimber is mostly a name brand ... I've got springfield 1911 and absolutly love that thing ....... what I really like about 1911 are parts easy to find and easy to repair or easy to modify .... after about 1000 rounds the only thing I've done to my springfield is drop the trigger pull from 5.2 lbs to 3 lbs
Another good choice.

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Baba Booey
lowing
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1stSFOD-Delta wrote:

lowing wrote:

need some free advice by anyone that owns or has shot a sig sauer P220 carry,  FNP 45 and or an HK .45. I am in the market for another .45. I want an SAO or SA/DA.
I'd say go with the HK. My USP 45 is by far my favorite handgun. I rented the new HK45 the last time I was home and it was awesome. It fits in your hand like a glove.


SEREMAKER wrote:

kimber is mostly a name brand ... I've got springfield 1911 and absolutly love that thing ....... what I really like about 1911 are parts easy to find and easy to repair or easy to modify .... after about 1000 rounds the only thing I've done to my springfield is drop the trigger pull from 5.2 lbs to 3 lbs
Another good choice.

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss22 … G_5601.jpg
Thats a nice 1911! Is that a "loaded" ? THe other thing I like about the sig though is the slide release is closer to my thumb than the 1911! Really wanna add a 1911 to my gun collection eventually but for this purchase I narrowed it down to the sig HK or the FNP
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Mike "The Spooge Gobbler" Morales
+376|6243|Blue Mountain State
Yeah, it's the loaded model.

All three of your choices are awesome guns. Is there a range near by that rents guns? Your best bet is to shoot all three and see what you like the most.
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Baba Booey
M.O.A.B
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I know nothing about guns beyond the specifics (wish I knew more ), but I've heard of a manufacturer called Wilson Combat(?) being good for 1911's. Dunno if that's true or not.
1stSFOD-Delta
Mike "The Spooge Gobbler" Morales
+376|6243|Blue Mountain State

M.O.A.B wrote:

I know nothing about guns beyond the specifics (wish I knew more ), but I've heard of a manufacturer called Wilson Combat(?) being good for 1911's. Dunno if that's true or not.
Those are expensive as fuck. $2000+ for most.
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Baba Booey
lowing
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1stSFOD-Delta wrote:

Yeah, it's the loaded model.

All three of your choices are awesome guns. Is there a range near by that rents guns? Your best bet is to shoot all three and see what you like the most.
My gun range is about 40 minutes away, don't remember if any of those were in the case or not. My main concerns were quality in the gun as well as the finish, and reliability and customer service when shit does go wrong. Already have a Glock 30 and it is lighter than the others so I know what to expect out of recoil etc.. I can manage the glock just fine, I would expect an even more manageable recoil out of the other 3.
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lowing wrote:

Thats a nice 1911! Is that a "loaded" ? THe other thing I like about the sig though is the slide release is closer to my thumb than the 1911! Really wanna add a 1911 to my gun collection eventually but for this purchase I narrowed it down to the sig HK or the FNP
Those euroguns are pretty sweet aren't they

Adding an extended slide release to a 1911 is about the easiest possible mod is it not?
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lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

Thats a nice 1911! Is that a "loaded" ? THe other thing I like about the sig though is the slide release is closer to my thumb than the 1911! Really wanna add a 1911 to my gun collection eventually but for this purchase I narrowed it down to the sig HK or the FNP
Those euroguns are pretty sweet aren't they

Adding an extended slide release to a 1911 is about the easiest possible mod is it not?
Dunno, never worked on a pistol. short of breaking it down for cleaning and there ain't much to a glock for that
lowing
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1stSFOD-Delta wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

I know nothing about guns beyond the specifics (wish I knew more ), but I've heard of a manufacturer called Wilson Combat(?) being good for 1911's. Dunno if that's true or not.
Those are expensive as fuck. $2000+ for most.
yeah, and I really wonder even at that price range how much better they really are to the kimbers and colts and springfields
Dilbert_X
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lowing wrote:

Dunno, never worked on a pistol. short of breaking it down for cleaning and there ain't much to a glock for that
When you strip a 1911 you remove the slide release.
When you reassemble just replace with an extended one.
eg http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1646 … DE_RELEASE
Couldn't be much easier, any gun shop will do it for you if you're not good with your hands.
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lowing
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Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dunno, never worked on a pistol. short of breaking it down for cleaning and there ain't much to a glock for that
When you strip a 1911 you remove the slide release.
When you reassemble just replace with an extended one.
eg http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1646 … DE_RELEASE
Couldn't be much easier, any gun shop will do it for you if you're not good with your hands.
actually I am a mechanic, just never owned a 1911 so got no idea about them, didnt even know they had mods like that
west-phoenix-az
Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does
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The 1911 is probably the most mod-able pistol available. There are tons of parts, accessories and upgrades available. If you don't like something about a 1911, I'm sure someone makes a part to change it.
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Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Was kidding.

1911s have more aftermarket and drop-in parts than any other firearm, but base models are generally not that accurate to begin with, so really you're best off buying something between base and premium.

Accurising parts generally need to be fitted by a gunsmith, and may tend to reduce absolute reliability, so again best to pick a mid-level quality 1911 and leave as is.

Or you can go nuts and pay $1,000s for something which will shoot 2" groups at 50 yards with handloaded ammo.
(Just don't buy a Norinco and lots of add-ons)

Also, I've never heard anything good said about 'chopped' 1911s, maybe Commanders are OK, not sure really.

Personally I'd pick a revolver with a good long DA trigger for self defense.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-02-11 16:42:15)

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rdx-fx
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rdx-fx wrote:

>sigh<  I miss my old Zeiss scope.

This Trijicon TR23 5-20x50mm is junk.

Reciprocity wrote:

guess you'll just have to get a nightforce or schmidt and bender.
Hensoldt 6-24x72 is tempting.

Hensoldt (6-24x72) ,
Zeiss(6-24x72 FL) = civilian version of Hensoldt above,
S&B (PM II 5-25x56),
Nightforce (NXS 5.5-22x56),
and US Optics (SN3 5-25x58)
are the short list under consideration.
In order of preference.

Trijicon and Leupold are a no-go.
rdx-fx
...
+955|6857

lowing wrote:

need some free advice by anyone that owns or has shot a sig sauer P220 carry,  FNP 45 and or an HK .45. I am in the market for another .45. I want an SAO or SA/DA.

1stSFOD-Delta wrote:

I'd say go with the HK. My USP 45 is by far my favorite handgun. I rented the new HK45 the last time I was home and it was awesome. It fits in your hand like a glove.
This.

My USP45 shoots accurately, is exceptionally simple in mechanism, and goes bang every time with a monotonously boring Teutonic reliability.
Very easy to disassemble in the field - no small parts to lose, can be disassembled/reassembled eyes-closed in seconds.

Mine seems to really prefer 230 grain rounds, moving about 850-900 fps.
Very accurate with those.
Reciprocity
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lowing wrote:

SEREMAKER wrote:

lowing wrote:

need some free advice by anyone that owns or has shot a sig sauer P220 carry,  FNP 45 and or an HK .45. I am in the market for another .45. I want an SAO or SA/DA.
price budget ?
below 1200 dollars.

Thought about a 1911 either springfield or Kimber, but 1911's seem to be finicky to say the least and Kimber especially now has questionable quality from what the forums say
i wouldn't say a 1911(as long as it's not a cheap pos) is any less reliable than most other pistols.  Just don't use shitty magazines.  most of the cops I know carry 1911s.   if I carried, I wouldn't hesitate to carry my springfield loaded.  For $1200 you could get an SA operator and probably have money left to buy a couple magazines. 

as for sigs, they're dead reliable.  the only downside to most sigs over 9mm is their relatively high bore axis.  without a hogue finger groove grip  my P220 tends to snap a bit. it's not uncontrollable or uncomfortable, but you notice it.

Can't say much about FNs and HKs other than the ones i've shot have all been accurate and comfortable, though they also tend to have relatively(to 1911s) high bore axis.  I prefer the ergonomics of my sig to the USP or HK45.  But they're basically all good weapons.

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Reciprocity
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rdx-fx wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:

>sigh<  I miss my old Zeiss scope.

This Trijicon TR23 5-20x50mm is junk.

Reciprocity wrote:

guess you'll just have to get a nightforce or schmidt and bender.
Hensoldt 6-24x72 is tempting.

Hensoldt (6-24x72) ,
Zeiss(6-24x72 FL) = civilian version of Hensoldt above,
S&B (PM II 5-25x56),
Nightforce (NXS 5.5-22x56),
and US Optics (SN3 5-25x58)
are the short list under consideration.
In order of preference.

Trijicon and Leupold are a no-go.
If I had the money to burn I'd be tempted to get the 5-25X56 PMII.  It's a great piece of glass.  For now I'm happy with my little USO.

I don't think leupolds are terrible, they just seem to be stuck back in 1998.  they're still trying to sell the same old mk4 like it's a high end scope.  maybe they're stepping back from the tactical market.
ROGUEDD
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So we got a 4-16x44 scope and mount kit for the mosin:

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