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2006-12-20 10:15:26
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7192|Salt Lake City

http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/12/ … ugs_1.html

On Jan. 1, two security researchers will begin publishing details of a flood of security vulnerabilities in Apple's products. Their plan is to disclose one bug per day for the entire month, they said Tuesday.

The project is being launched by an independent security researcher, Kevin Finisterre, and a hacker known as LMH, who declined to reveal his identity.

Some of the bugs "might represent a significant risk," LMH said in an e-mail interview. "Others have a lower impact on security. We are trying to develop working exploits for every issue we find."

The two hackers plan to disclose bugs in the Mac OS X kernel as well as in software such as Safari, iTunes, iPhoto and QuickTime, LMH said. Some of the bugs will also affect versions of Apple's software designed to run on Microsoft Corp.'s Windows operating system, he added.
2006-12-20 10:17:17
Towelly
It's A State Of Mind
+399|7047|Your attic
I wonder how long before berni comes and closes this.
2006-12-20 10:22:06
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7192|Salt Lake City

Towelly wrote:

I wonder how long before berni comes and closes this.
Why would he close it?
2006-12-20 10:26:32
MagikTrik
yes.....but your still gay
+138|6826|Pittsburgh, PA USA
This makes me so happy
2006-12-20 10:30:35
silo1180
The Farewell Tour
+79|6878|San Antonio, TX
I always just figured no one hacked Apples because no one cared to!  No large corporations I've ever encountered use Apple/MACs.  What are you going to break in and steal someones music files or the artwork they've been working on!?
2006-12-20 10:38:27
Marlboroman82
Personal philosophy: Clothing optional.
+1,022|7079|Camp XRay

silo1180 wrote:

I always just figured no one hacked Apples because no one cared to!  No large corporations I've ever encountered use Apple/MACs.  What are you going to break in and steal someones music files or the artwork they've been working on!?
christ lets not start this again it's just going to lead to people bitching back and forth. i use a mac, my firm uses macs. i like it, i am comfortable with it. you use a pc, your like it, your comfortable with it. to each is own.

also how many days would it take to list all the problems with windows?

Last edited by Marlboroman82 (2006-12-20 10:38:50)

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2006-12-20 10:40:48
Pernicious544
Zee Tank Skank
+80|7156|MoVal So-Cal

Marlboroman82 wrote:

silo1180 wrote:

I always just figured no one hacked Apples because no one cared to!  No large corporations I've ever encountered use Apple/MACs.  What are you going to break in and steal someones music files or the artwork they've been working on!?
christ lets not start this again it's just going to lead to people bitching back and forth. i use a mac, my firm uses macs. i like it, i am comfortable with it. you use a pc, your like it, your comfortable with it. to each is own.

also how many days would it take to list all the problems with windows?
About 97
2006-12-20 10:50:05
MagikTrik
yes.....but your still gay
+138|6826|Pittsburgh, PA USA

Pernicious544 wrote:

Marlboroman82 wrote:

silo1180 wrote:

I always just figured no one hacked Apples because no one cared to!  No large corporations I've ever encountered use Apple/MACs.  What are you going to break in and steal someones music files or the artwork they've been working on!?
christ lets not start this again it's just going to lead to people bitching back and forth. i use a mac, my firm uses macs. i like it, i am comfortable with it. you use a pc, your like it, your comfortable with it. to each is own.

also how many days would it take to list all the problems with windows?
About 97
97? C'mon I was thinking more in the 200's

*Edit:* and btw every single professional photographer/designer I know uses mac systems & a single finished file can easily be worth over $10,000 in alot of cases so there is definitely some stuff worth stealing.

Last edited by MagikTrik (2006-12-20 10:51:58)

2006-12-20 10:50:52
spray_and_pray
Member
+52|6947|Perth. Western Australia

Pernicious544 wrote:

Marlboroman82 wrote:

silo1180 wrote:

I always just figured no one hacked Apples because no one cared to!  No large corporations I've ever encountered use Apple/MACs.  What are you going to break in and steal someones music files or the artwork they've been working on!?
christ lets not start this again it's just going to lead to people bitching back and forth. i use a mac, my firm uses macs. i like it, i am comfortable with it. you use a pc, your like it, your comfortable with it. to each is own.

also how many days would it take to list all the problems with windows?
About 97
Thats still less then with a Mac though jokes Linux pwns all Open Source FTW!
2006-12-20 10:53:44
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7192|Salt Lake City

Marlboroman82 wrote:

silo1180 wrote:

I always just figured no one hacked Apples because no one cared to!  No large corporations I've ever encountered use Apple/MACs.  What are you going to break in and steal someones music files or the artwork they've been working on!?
christ lets not start this again it's just going to lead to people bitching back and forth. i use a mac, my firm uses macs. i like it, i am comfortable with it. you use a pc, your like it, your comfortable with it. to each is own.

also how many days would it take to list all the problems with windows?
It's not about how many problems Windows has, it's about the fact that everyone thought Macs were simply more secure.  The fact is that their higher level of security was "Security through obscurity" because there simply wasn't a large enough populous of them for hackers to want to bother with them.  Since the new Macs have the Intel processors now, they are becoming even more popular.  This growth was going to lead to the inevitable fact that hackers would start targeting Mac users and a large number of previously unknown flaws would appear.

The same thing happened with Firefox.
2006-12-20 10:54:55
Pernicious544
Zee Tank Skank
+80|7156|MoVal So-Cal

spray_and_pray wrote:

Pernicious544 wrote:

Marlboroman82 wrote:


christ lets not start this again it's just going to lead to people bitching back and forth. i use a mac, my firm uses macs. i like it, i am comfortable with it. you use a pc, your like it, your comfortable with it. to each is own.

also how many days would it take to list all the problems with windows?
About 97
Thats still less then with a Mac though jokes Linux pwns all Open Source FTW!
Linux FTW for sure
2006-12-20 11:00:03
silo1180
The Farewell Tour
+79|6878|San Antonio, TX

Marlboroman82 wrote:

silo1180 wrote:

I always just figured no one hacked Apples because no one cared to!  No large corporations I've ever encountered use Apple/MACs.  What are you going to break in and steal someones music files or the artwork they've been working on!?
christ lets not start this again it's just going to lead to people bitching back and forth. i use a mac, my firm uses macs. i like it, i am comfortable with it. you use a pc, your like it, your comfortable with it. to each is own.

also how many days would it take to list all the problems with windows?
Sorry didn't mean to offend...

Guess I should consider this POS Compaq laptop my company assigned to me... man I have had so many problems with this thing!  I've been debating finding some way to kill it so I could maybe get a Dell.

Any recommendations on how to kill a lappy without making it obvious?  (j/k I would never dream of destroying company property)
2006-12-20 11:10:41
MagikTrik
yes.....but your still gay
+138|6826|Pittsburgh, PA USA

silo1180 wrote:

Any recommendations on how to kill a lappy without making it obvious?  (j/k I would never dream of destroying company property)
coffee.......an accidental spill of your morning coffee will at the absolute least render the keyboard (or a section of it) useless. Seriously, I have ruined every single thing that was ever good in my life I know what I'm talking about, lol.

Last edited by MagikTrik (2006-12-20 11:11:16)

2006-12-20 11:24:56
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|7118|USA
THose fuckers need to find real jobs.
2006-12-20 11:41:33
TheEternalPessimist
Wibble
+412|7076|Mhz

From the instant Mac OS's could run on Intel CPUs this day was inevitable, I just hope Mac OS is up to the task of taking on the slew of viruses that are going to be thrown their way.
2006-12-20 11:49:58
MagikTrik
yes.....but your still gay
+138|6826|Pittsburgh, PA USA
Who wants to bet that Apple still embarrasses Microsoft on the way their virus's are dealt with?
2006-12-20 16:08:02
chuyskywalker
Admin
+2,439|7304|"Frisco"

TheEternalPessimist wrote:

From the instant Mac OS's could run on Intel CPUs this day was inevitable, I just hope Mac OS is up to the task of taking on the slew of viruses that are going to be thrown their way.
As if the core processor has anything to do with an OS's vulnerabilities. To the best of my knowledge I've never heard of, or seen, a hack that takes advantage of a flaw in a processor -- the OS, yes, the processor, no.

Additionally, the majority of the reason Macs have been secure has been "obscurity", however, that's not the end cause. Apple's OS is based on a far more secure BASE OS, BSD. Do some research about it and you'll come across lots. Additionally, the default user & permissions model is much more granular than XP (corrected in vista, I believe) which helps. Finally, Apple runs a fast update cycle which (like firefox) can address these issues faster and better. Add to the mix the fact that Apple has a limited HARDWARE platform to test on, and the speed at which software fixes and deployments can be made is cut down that much more.

Finally A BUG != AN EXPLOIT A bug has the potential to be exploited, but may turn out to not be possible -- so it's really overstating a fact.

Regardless, who cares until something actually comes of it?
2006-12-20 16:09:50
Bernadictus
Moderator
+1,055|7193

Pernicious544 wrote:

Marlboroman82 wrote:

silo1180 wrote:

I always just figured no one hacked Apples because no one cared to!  No large corporations I've ever encountered use Apple/MACs.  What are you going to break in and steal someones music files or the artwork they've been working on!?
christ lets not start this again it's just going to lead to people bitching back and forth. i use a mac, my firm uses macs. i like it, i am comfortable with it. you use a pc, your like it, your comfortable with it. to each is own.

also how many days would it take to list all the problems with windows?
About 97
97 years.

chuyskywalker wrote:

TheEternalPessimist wrote:

From the instant Mac OS's could run on Intel CPUs this day was inevitable, I just hope Mac OS is up to the task of taking on the slew of viruses that are going to be thrown their way.
As if the core processor has anything to do with an OS's vulnerabilities. To the best of my knowledge I've never heard of, or seen, a hack that takes advantage of a flaw in a processor -- the OS, yes, the processor, no.

Additionally, the majority of the reason Macs have been secure has been "obscurity", however, that's not the end cause. Apple's OS is based on a far more secure BASE OS, BSD. Do some research about it and you'll come across lots. Additionally, the default user & permissions model is much more granular than XP (corrected in vista, I believe) which helps. Finally, Apple runs a fast update cycle which (like firefox) can address these issues faster and better. Add to the mix the fact that Apple has a limited HARDWARE platform to test on, and the speed at which software fixes and deployments can be made is cut down that much more.

Finally A BUG != AN EXPLOIT A bug has the potential to be exploited, but may turn out to not be possible -- so it's really overstating a fact.

Regardless, who cares until something actually comes of it?
Thank you for pointing that out to all other members. If I had put that down in this topic, people would just laugh at it.

MagikTrik wrote:

Pernicious544 wrote:

Marlboroman82 wrote:


christ lets not start this again it's just going to lead to people bitching back and forth. i use a mac, my firm uses macs. i like it, i am comfortable with it. you use a pc, your like it, your comfortable with it. to each is own.

also how many days would it take to list all the problems with windows?
About 97
97? C'mon I was thinking more in the 200's

*Edit:* and btw every single professional photographer/designer I know uses mac systems & a single finished file can easily be worth over $10,000 in alot of cases so there is definitely some stuff worth stealing.
My Mac is worth 2000 Euro's, has more than 2500 Euro's of software on it, it is accompanied by a 3500 Euro costing photo scanner (designed for mac, cus PC's can't handel Post-Script).

Mac's are a treat to be stolen. Why do you think most Mac's have pre-build in Kensington Slots. Not because it looks fancy, to protect them from being stolen more likely.
2006-12-20 16:18:30
OnePumpChump
Member
+0|7145|Ohio

Marlboroman82 wrote:

christ lets not start this again it's just going to lead to people bitching back and forth. i use a mac, my firm uses macs. i like it, i am comfortable with it. you use a pc, your like it, your comfortable with it. to each is own.

also how many days would it take to list all the problems with windows?
Uh huh, so you don't want to start any bitching back and forth, but yet, you do?
2006-12-20 16:22:01
462nd NSP653
Devout Moderate, Empty Head.
+57|7140

chuyskywalker wrote:

TheEternalPessimist wrote:

From the instant Mac OS's could run on Intel CPUs this day was inevitable, I just hope Mac OS is up to the task of taking on the slew of viruses that are going to be thrown their way.
As if the core processor has anything to do with an OS's vulnerabilities. To the best of my knowledge I've never heard of, or seen, a hack that takes advantage of a flaw in a processor -- the OS, yes, the processor, no.

Additionally, the majority of the reason Macs have been secure has been "obscurity", however, that's not the end cause. Apple's OS is based on a far more secure BASE OS, BSD. Do some research about it and you'll come across lots. Additionally, the default user & permissions model is much more granular than XP (corrected in vista, I believe) which helps. Finally, Apple runs a fast update cycle which (like firefox) can address these issues faster and better. Add to the mix the fact that Apple has a limited HARDWARE platform to test on, and the speed at which software fixes and deployments can be made is cut down that much more.

Finally A BUG != AN EXPLOIT A bug has the potential to be exploited, but may turn out to not be possible -- so it's really overstating a fact.

Regardless, who cares until something actually comes of it?
Exactly!
2006-12-20 16:38:46
Cheez
Herman is a warmaphrodite
+1,027|6895|King Of The Islands

Viri:
Windows is used by what, 80% of the world? (guestimate), so of course its in the limelight. A virus has always been about impact. Adware = virus + profit. The > the audience, the > the profit.

Stability:
Mac stuff only ever runs Mac stuff. So if programs designed solely for one OS is running on that OS; and an OS designed solely for a small group of programs is only running those programs, of course you're going to have greater stability.
Less holes (as there's less support for a vast array of programs needed now, so you can focus on the select few),
And the developers have more time to work on the core of the programs, as there's less script-kiddies going 'l00kz at my hax! I r haxing joor interweb explodarz!'

Price:
Something sane now its running on a Core2Duo, so you can go to a PC store and buy parts for your Mac (yes you could do this for a while, but not fo' CPUs)
My state was founded by Batman. Your opinion is invalid.
2006-12-20 16:42:46
Yaocelotl
:D
+221|7106|Keyboard

spray_and_pray wrote:

Pernicious544 wrote:

Marlboroman82 wrote:


christ lets not start this again it's just going to lead to people bitching back and forth. i use a mac, my firm uses macs. i like it, i am comfortable with it. you use a pc, your like it, your comfortable with it. to each is own.

also how many days would it take to list all the problems with windows?
About 97
Thats still less then with a Mac though jokes Linux pwns all Open Source FTW!
QFT (I use ubuntu Dapper)
2006-12-20 17:18:53
doc. josh
Member
+48|7001
window 95 with the win runsy my 8800GTX pritty good

 

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