[UKSF] Graeme
Member
+0|6567
OK, we had a definate hacker on our server with aimbot and wall hack at least to his credit.
It took several kills and a determined effort by admins and players to get the proof of his activities, but we did

However PB never picked up on it and there are no screenies made by PB !

Server has latest PB updates installed, so why did he go undetected?

Any sensible ideas or solutions?
Thanks
david363
Crotch fires and you: the untold story
+314|7007|Comber, Northern Ireland
because he wasnt cheating
Simon
basically
+838|6926|UK
Link the PB screens here
MagikTrik
yes.....but your still gay
+138|6639|Pittsburgh, PA USA

david363 wrote:

because he wasnt cheating
Megalomaniac
Formerly known as Missionless
+92|6596|105 RVK
lol if the screenshots where clean it was just skills and it snot his fault you cry when getting owned and call him a hacker.

Show us the screenshot or his stats to back up your story
Cookie.VXT
Bringer Of Cookies.
+178|6704|UK
coz the undisputable pb does not catch ALL hacks

there are some hacks out there that produce "clean" pb ss

also when pb updates so does the hack it just changes some coding

there to advanced now there is no way of proving that someone hacks as there to advcanced to be caught

like the group 187

we know as a community that they hack, but they never get caught.

*sigh*

there are also rumours of a WoW hack aswell

i dont give a shit bout that though as i round play WoW but you get the idea of how far people will go.
[UKSF] Graeme
Member
+0|6567
seems some people cant read very well
"Any sensible ideas or solutions?"

And yes he was cheating - we proved it beyond ANY doubt and thats why I am asking why PB did not do its job.

But there again finding a thread on here that is not flamed is just as hard
bullit
Tank Troll
+71|6958|London, UK
What do u mean there were no screenies by PB, if they were blacked out screenies then hes got some sort of PB blocker. Clean pb screens is impossible because its wot he sees that PB sees.
bootsy
Banned
+9|6555
post screen shots,
oChaos.Haze
Member
+90|6706
Ok man, I've seen your post here and on BF2tracker, yet, you never say what they did, or who, or anything.  Do you really expect us to just buy into it?  Why can't you name them, let us peruse the stats, and maybe help you out.  You say you got proof, but without screenies or a vid, then it's just word of mouth.  Stop being so vague, and just explain the situation to us. 

ps for maximum effect, I would have just left the cheater part out and asked my q about pb, cause it seems like that's your real intent here, not outing the hacker.  Correct?  As you can see, people (including myself) wonder more about the hacker accusation than your real question about pb.

Last edited by oChaos.Haze (2007-02-16 11:23:05)

DUnlimited
got any popo lolo intersting?
+1,160|6732|cuntshitlake

oChaos.Haze wrote:

Ok man, I've seen your post here and on BF2tracker, yet, you never say what they did, or who, or anything.  Do you really expect us to just buy into it?  Why can't you name them, let us peruse the stats, and maybe help you out.  You say you got proof, but without screenies or a vid, then it's just word of mouth.  Stop being so vague, and just explain the situation to us. 

ps for maximum effect, I would have just left the cheater part out and asked my q about pb, cause it seems like that's your real intent here, not outing the hacker.  Correct?
QFT
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<<R2>>Capt.HKS
Member
+15|6891|Australia
So you have taken PB SS's and they have come all come back black is that what you are saying?
[UKSF] Graeme
Member
+0|6567
no, the guy in question is http://bf2s.com/player/80657613
he was raising suspision with every shot being a head shot even if target was running and zigzaggin - as server admins all did this. but we had no proof and thought he was just a fooking good shot.  Even with his pistol it was one shot kill head shot.

His stats seem to be crap apart from when he plays sniper

However he was in warehouse (Kark 64) INSIDE and ws SVD killing ppl at the gatehouse - he was on the upper level on teh walkway and had no clear shots at all!
This was our concern and what he was banned for.
Unfortunately there are no PB screenies - and that is what my original concern is about - we  had to waste a lot of time getting this proof instead of relying on PB to its job.

As for my itnent I dont care about him cheating - he can do what he wants but he wont be doing it on our server again - it just spoils the fun and it was more of a surprise that PB did not catch him and give us the proof everyone longs for
<<R2>>Capt.HKS
Member
+15|6891|Australia
Yeah but when you said there are no PB SS's did you actually take any of him? Or did they not come through for him as in they failed or were corrupted? Unless you have autoss 1 turned on it won't take PB SS's of players without you doing an rcon command.

To me it sounds like you may need help taking PB SS's. Tell me if I'm wrong if you need a hand just ask.
[UKSF] Graeme
Member
+0|6567
I NEED A HAND LOL
wtf is this rcon thingy?
I had a look today and got baffled - have got rcon port and password from server provider, but do not know what to do with them
And yes would love to check if I can turn on PB screenies
I was under the impression the SS were auto done by PB - yes? no?
<<R2>>Capt.HKS
Member
+15|6891|Australia

[UKSF] Graeme wrote:

I NEED A HAND LOL
wtf is this rcon thingy?
I had a look today and got baffled - have got rcon port and password from server provider, but do not know what to do with them
And yes would love to check if I can turn on PB screenies
I was under the impression the SS were auto done by PB - yes? no?
No default setting is the PB SS are off. Do you have BF2CC? You can take them using BF2CC by typing in the commands in the admin chat box then clicking on the C:\ box to the right of the chat box.

This is a guide to taking PB SS's I wrote for our members, hope this helps:

This is a tutorial for members on how to take PB SS's of players. A PB SS will show what the players see on their screens. So we can use it to pick up hacks that are undetected and only detected by viewing PB screenies. I'll be adding to this post so keep an eye on it but for now just a basic tutorial to get you started.

Basic PB SS use:

Step 1 Identify the player you want to take the PB SS of.

This is done by finding their player ID in BF2CC. Note. make sure you 1st expand the far left column in BF2CC so you can see all the digits. If for example the player ID number is 1 then you need to add +1 to that number which will mean their player id no. is 2 duh!. Always add +1 to the number displayed in BF2CC as BF2CC player id numbers start at 0.

Step 2 Taking a basic PB SS of a player.

In the admin chat box of BF2CC type in this command assuming BF2CC shows the player ID as 1. (remember to add +1 to the player ID shown in BF2CC thats because the numbers start with 0 in BF2CC)

pb_sv_getss 2  (this will take a PB SS of player ID 1 shown in BF2CC far left hand column.) Next "DON'T HIT ENTER" If you hit enter all it will do is tip off the player that you tried to take a PB SS of them as it will be sent to the whole server as admin chat. In BF2CC you will see a box with C:\ to the right of the admin chat box, that is what you need to click to send the rcon command. Then click on log and you should see if the command was successful it will be displayed in pink.

Step 3 Viewing the PB SS

You may need to ask your host to setup a html page for you to view your PB SS's or some means of being able to view them or download them.

Step 4 PB SS limitations.

You can only take 3 PB SS's of the same player in a 10 minute interval. DO NOT take PB SS's one after the other. Wait for the 1st to come through before taking another. Allow 2-3 minutes for the PB SS to come through after taking it. These are inbuilt anti-cheat measures to ensure you don't abuse the PB SS's to find their locations. If it says Screenshot not returned it doesn't necessarily mean its failed. Its more likely to mean you haven't waited long enough before trying to view the PB SS or you have taken a succession of PB SS's too quickly.

PB SS's are limited to 82,000 pixels. This means that if you want to change the screen size it must be equal to or less than 82,000 pixels.
eg. 800x410 using a sample rate of 2 is really the largest size that will still give good clarity. Taking a full screen 1280x1024 requires a sample rate of 4 and will remove a lot of pixels from the shot to stay under the 82k pixel limit and will make the picture then blurry.

Advanced PB SS commands:

These commands help you decide where to centre the SS you need to take, screen size, compression, multiple auto SS screen capture etc.

To request screenshots from all players with the text "ABC" in their name, type PB_SV_GETSS "ABC" (note the quotes are necessary when specifying name substrings). This is handy for taking PB SS's for a clan using the same tags. It will take PB SS's for all players using those tags.

PB_SV_SSXPCT and PB_SV_SSYPCT are used to specify where on the full playing screen that the capture is to be centered.  The default is 50 and 50 so that the capture comes from the center of the playing screen.  Using lower numbers moves the captured area toward the left (in the case of XPCT) and upper (in the case of YPCT) portions of the screen and using higher numbers moves the area towards the right and lower portions of the screen respectively.  If XPCT and/or YPCT are set to -1, then a random percentage between 0 and 100 will be used for each individual capture request - this has the effect of capturing different (randomized) portions of the playing screen each time a capture is taken. These commands must be added individually

eg. pb_sv_ssxpct 80 then hit the C:\ to submit the rcon command
pb_sv_ssypct 20 then hit the C:\ to submit the rcon command.

This above example will centre the screen to include the minimap. Handy for checking if the player can see all the enemy on the minimap. You could also change the values to 90 10 to see more of the minimap. Changing the values to 50 50 will centre the screen.

PB_SV_SSWIDTH and PB_SV_SSHEIGHT are used to request a specific size image in pixels.  The default is 320 x 240.  If a size is requested that is larger than the actual resolution on a player's system, then PB will automatically reduce the appropriate parameter to match the size of the resolution.  For example, if a screenshot of 800x600 resolution is requested from a player running the game in 640x480 resolution, then PB will take the image at 640x480 resolution automatically.

e.g.
PB_SV_SSWIDTH 800 then hit the C:\ to submit the rcon command.
PB_SV_SSHEIGHT 410 then hit the C:\ to submit the rcon command.


PB_SV_SSSRATE sets the sample rate for the capture.  The Sample Rate can be set to take less pixels from a larger area of the screen to, in effect, compact a larger picture into a smaller size by simply skipping pixels.  Sample Rates of 1, 2 and 4 are available.  Using a Sample Rate of 2 will reduce image file sizes to about one fourth of normal (Sample Rate 1) and using 4 will reduce to about one sixteenth.  The reduction in file size does affect the clarity of the image.  It is always best to use Sample Rate of 1 unless you desire to capture large portions of the playing screen and don't mind losing some clarity in the resulting image.  Even with the 82,000 pixel limit, it is possible to capture images at 1280x1024 using a sample rate of 4 for the relatively few players who play in very high resolutions.

e.g For a screen size of 800x410 use a sample rate of 2. This is really the best and largest practical size to use so don't change it unless necessary.

PB_SV_SSSRATE 2


That's enough for now I'll add some more advanced commands later to take PB SS's of a single player automatically until you decide to end the task.

Remember "NEVER HIT ENTER!" Your command won't work and all you are doing is sending to command to the whole server through admin chat! Don't tip off a player that your taking a PB SS off!

Here's a handy command to take PB SS's of a single player until you tell it to stop or they leave the server.

PB_SV_Task 10 240 PB_SV_GETSS "name/partial name of player"

This will take a PB SS of the player whose name is in the " ". It will take the PB SS 10 seconds after the command is entered, then it will take a PB SS every 240 seconds of that player.

To stop/end this task type in this command
PB_SV_TaskEmpty

To turn on the auto PB SS capture of all players use this command:
PB_SV_autoSS 1
To turn it off again use:
PB_SV_autoSS 0

Last edited by <<R2>>Capt.HKS (2007-02-16 14:22:52)

Hurricane
Banned
+1,153|6899|Washington, DC

A black PB screen doesn't necessarily mean they're hacking; I hear that also gets caused by people who ALTTAB out of the game.
[UKSF] Graeme
Member
+0|6567
OK where do PB SS get downloaded to?
With rackage I have access to the sever folder for PB SS - do they go here or do I have to direct where they are saved.

Also how do I get PB to take auto screenies of cheaters - or can you not do that?
thanks
<<R2>>Capt.HKS
Member
+15|6891|Australia

Hurricane wrote:

A black PB screen doesn't necessarily mean they're hacking; I hear that also gets caused by people who ALTTAB out of the game.
Yup that's right. It may be caused by them being ALT-Tabbed out of the game. Also it could be a driver PB doesn't like.
<<R2>>Capt.HKS
Member
+15|6891|Australia

[UKSF] Graeme wrote:

OK where do PB SS get downloaded to?
With rackage I have access to the sever folder for PB SS - do they go here or do I have to direct where they are saved.

Also how do I get PB to take auto screenies of cheaters - or can you not do that?
thanks
They get saved to the pbsvss folder.

To take them auto of all players type pb_sv_autoss 1 to turn it on 0 to turn it off. It will take them of all players and you need to review them to determine if they are cheating or not.
[UKSF] Graeme
Member
+0|6567
ok last question - will my server space fill up with images r will they be over written with new ss every so often?
and ..... will i have to type in these commands every time the server is restarted?
ta

Last edited by [UKSF] Graeme (2007-02-16 14:35:06)

<<R2>>Capt.HKS
Member
+15|6891|Australia
The default setting is to store 100 PB SS's then they will get over-written. If you want to increase how many are stored use this command:

PB_SV_SsCeiling 1000 this will store 1000 PB SS's before they get overwritten. Choose a number of PB SS's you want to get stored before they are over-written then use that command.
[UKSF] Graeme
Member
+0|6567
will i have to type in these commands every time the server is restarted?
<<R2>>Capt.HKS
Member
+15|6891|Australia

[UKSF] Graeme wrote:

will i have to type in these commands every time the server is restarted?
You can save the PB SS settings by using this command:
pb_sv_writecfg
[UKSF] Graeme
Member
+0|6567
thanks very much - karma on teh way!

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