Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6851|North Carolina
Here's a serious question: Why is polygamy illegal?

I've never quite understood the Mormon religion, and while I also don't understand why someone would willingly enter a polygamous relationship, I don't see it really being the government's business to tell consenting adults that they can't form a polygamous marriage.

What rational (a.k.a. - non-religious) reasons are there to keep polygamy illegal?  Shouldn't it be allowed in the U.S. if we are to call ourselves a free country?

For those of you outside of the U.S., feel free to respond as well.  I'm assuming most of us here live in countries where polygamy is illegal.
Reciprocity
Member
+721|7027|the dank(super) side of Oregon
because the next step is bestiality,  and even worse, gay marriage.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6851|North Carolina

Reciprocity wrote:

because the next step is bestiality,  and even worse, gay marriage.
You sarcastic nut...  lol... 
RedTwizzler
I do it for the lulz.
+124|6983|Chicago
One could argue that spousal abuse would be more prevalent, but that's still a pretty flimsy reason.

In all honesty, it's based on what this country was founded on - Judeo-Christian values.
maffiaw
ph33r me 傻逼
+40|6867|Melbourne, AUS
probably because it devalues women. I.e. a man can 'own' several women to satisfy his lifestyle and lust.
Not that its a bad thing (duh), but you just need to look at Muslim men and that polygamy is allowed in Islam to get the picture.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6851|North Carolina

maffiaw wrote:

probably because it devalues women. I.e. a man can 'own' several women to satisfy his lifestyle and lust.
Not that its a bad thing (duh), but you just need to look at Muslim men and that polygamy is allowed in Islam to get the picture.
What if the law allowed polygamy both ways?  Like a woman could also have multiple husbands?  Isn't that fair?
maffiaw
ph33r me 傻逼
+40|6867|Melbourne, AUS

Turquoise wrote:

maffiaw wrote:

probably because it devalues women. I.e. a man can 'own' several women to satisfy his lifestyle and lust.
Not that its a bad thing (duh), but you just need to look at Muslim men and that polygamy is allowed in Islam to get the picture.
What if the law allowed polygamy both ways?  Like a woman could also have multiple husbands?  Isn't that fair?
Hmmm I guess, but I doubt any men would want to consider that lololol.
Besides I presumed you were talking about Mormons which practice polygamy the traditional way.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6851|North Carolina

maffiaw wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

maffiaw wrote:

probably because it devalues women. I.e. a man can 'own' several women to satisfy his lifestyle and lust.
Not that its a bad thing (duh), but you just need to look at Muslim men and that polygamy is allowed in Islam to get the picture.
What if the law allowed polygamy both ways?  Like a woman could also have multiple husbands?  Isn't that fair?
Hmmm I guess, but I doubt any men would want to consider that lololol.
Besides I presumed you were talking about Mormons which practice polygamy the traditional way.
True...  I can't think of any religions that say a woman can have multiple men.  Whatever the case, isn't outlawing polygamy violating a traditional Mormon's or traditional Muslim's freedom of religion?
maffiaw
ph33r me 傻逼
+40|6867|Melbourne, AUS
Well I guess everyone in Western countries must adopt their society's moral code or be punished. An old man can marry a 7 y.o girl in tribal India. That doesn't mean they can do that in the US or anywhere else.
Ender2309
has joined the GOP
+470|7017|USA
hey guys, its pretty simple.

polygamy increases the number of people sharing a semi common gene set. spread that down generation after generation, and soon you have cousins doin the nasty that don't even know they're realated. i know that was a bit fuzzy, but for those who got it, props.
Ganko_06
Laughter with an S
+167|7091|Camoran's Paradise

Turquoise wrote:

maffiaw wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

What if the law allowed polygamy both ways?  Like a woman could also have multiple husbands?  Isn't that fair?
Hmmm I guess, but I doubt any men would want to consider that lololol.
Besides I presumed you were talking about Mormons which practice polygamy the traditional way.
True...  I can't think of any religions that say a woman can have multiple men.  Whatever the case, isn't outlawing polygamy violating a traditional Mormon's or traditional Muslim's freedom of religion?
Nope.  I'm Catholic and live in a dry county.  We have to drink 'non-alcoholic' wine in church.

Last edited by Ganko_06 (2007-06-05 20:10:39)

Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6851|North Carolina

maffiaw wrote:

Well I guess everyone in Western countries must adopt their society's moral code or be punished. An old man can marry a 7 y.o girl in tribal India. That doesn't mean they can do that in the US or anywhere else.
Agreed...  but I just don't see that strong of a defense for anti-polygamy laws.  However....  *sees Ender's post*
mtb0minime
minimember
+2,418|7101

I think it's illegal mainly because our nation is so hopped up on Christianity, but it could also be a health hazard seeing as how multiple partners greatly increases the chances for STDs. Also, like Ender mentioned, you're mixing genes and within a few generations of a bunch of people doing it with each other, our intelligence will go down a lot and even some retarded babies will pop out, too. For evolution's sake, mass polygamy is bad.

Personally I'm not against polygamy (only in small doses), I could care less what other people do with their sex lives, but I know that I would not like a polyamorous or polygamic relationship.

Last edited by mtb0minime (2007-06-05 20:03:06)

Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6851|North Carolina

Ganko_06 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

maffiaw wrote:


Hmmm I guess, but I doubt any men would want to consider that lololol.
Besides I presumed you were talking about Mormons which practice polygamy the traditional way.
True...  I can't think of any religions that say a woman can have multiple men.  Whatever the case, isn't outlawing polygamy violating a traditional Mormon's or traditional Muslim's freedom of religion?
Nope.  I'm Catholic and live in a dry county.  We have to drink 'non-alcoholic' whine in church.
Good point...  there are a few dry counties in NC as well.  They're such stupid laws, but I get what you mean.  Hmmmm...
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6851|North Carolina

Ender2309 wrote:

hey guys, its pretty simple.

polygamy increases the number of people sharing a semi common gene set. spread that down generation after generation, and soon you have cousins doin the nasty that don't even know they're realated. i know that was a bit fuzzy, but for those who got it, props.
That's a good point, but do you really think it would be practiced to the point of being a serious threat to the overall population here if polygamy was legalized?  I mean, I know there are a significant number of Mormons and traditional Muslims here, but are the numbers really high enough to matter?
SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
+394|6933|Ham Lake, MN (Fucking Cold)
I had always heard that it was to combat incest, and because child and spousal abuse.

Islam allows multiple wives, but it is not practised that often, also you can only have as many wives as you can afford.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6851|North Carolina

SgtHeihn wrote:

I had always heard that it was to combat incest, and because child and spousal abuse.

Islam allows multiple wives, but it is not practised that often, also you can only have as many wives as you can afford.
True...  spousal abuse seems to be a recurring theme in this thread.  I can see how a polygamous relationship could lead to that.  "Big Love" shows the psychological complexities of a polygamous marriage, and I can see how the tension between multiple wives could be maddening and a negative influence on the kids of the family.
Reject_Wolf
Former Karkand Addict
+32|7029
It is mostly divorces make it illegal.  The courts wouldn't know how to decide who gets what.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6851|North Carolina

Reject_Wolf wrote:

It is mostly divorces make it illegal.  The courts wouldn't know how to decide who gets what.
True...  I'd imagine that the tax system would suddenly become a lot more complicated if polygamy was allowed.  Imagine filing jointly with 3 wives on your income taxes...  8(

Last edited by Turquoise (2007-06-05 20:18:08)

unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,073|7218|PNW

Turquoise wrote:

Here's a serious question: Why is polygamy illegal?

I've never quite understood the Mormon religion, and while I also don't understand why someone would willingly enter a polygamous relationship, I don't see it really being the government's business to tell consenting adults that they can't form a polygamous marriage.

What rational (a.k.a. - non-religious) reasons are there to keep polygamy illegal?  Shouldn't it be allowed in the U.S. if we are to call ourselves a free country?

For those of you outside of the U.S., feel free to respond as well.  I'm assuming most of us here live in countries where polygamy is illegal.
The justification at the time for Mormon polygamy was their members' close proximity and high number of widowed women. It has since been abandoned as an obsolete practice, and continued only by unaffiliated LDS splinter groups. Associating polygamists with the LDS is like associating suicide bombers with Islam at large.

Nothing's stopping a bunch of women from living in one guy's house and all having sex with him, though.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-06-05 20:22:45)

iamangry
Member
+59|7091|The United States of America

maffiaw wrote:

Well I guess everyone in Western countries must adopt their society's moral code or be punished. An old man can marry a 7 y.o girl in tribal India. That doesn't mean they can do that in the US or anywhere else.
So wait, what happens if that "couple" immigrates to the United States?  Whats the SOP for such an instance? 


I have no problem with limited polygamy.  IMO, if two people of any gender can love one another, why not 3 or 4 or 5?  Its just like free love, with a few more boundaries.  And both free love and monogamy are legal, so why not the middle ground?  If 8 men and a woman want to be married, that's none of my business.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6975|Global Command

Ender2309 wrote:

hey guys, its pretty simple.

polygamy increases the number of people sharing a semi common gene set. spread that down generation after generation, and soon you have cousins doin the nasty that don't even know they're realated. i know that was a bit fuzzy, but for those who got it, props.
Actually, you are not far off.


I've never been one to keep any secrets.




My dad in Utah is a polygamist. I am lucky in that my mom bailed when I was five. She wasn't raised that way and when my dad decided he wanted a houseful of kids, she got a divorce.

First, my dad has beautiful healthy kids. They are smart and productive members of society.

After he left my mom for his religion ( or vice versa ) he married Penny, his second cousin. She had 14 children. His second wife Ann was his first cousin, she has 13. His third wife whom I don't know and can't remember her name has  three kids with him.

No issues as far as inbreeding is concerned.

But go to the Belgian Waffle House on Highland drive near Little Cottonwood Canyon. Order breakfast and notice the servers hands;


some of their fingers are webbed and some of their ears kinda blend into their heads as they have been marrying first cousins for generations.

I do not think it should be illegal, as frankly my dad is a good example of a 'good' polygamist. He takes care of his own.

It's like cocaine; some people just don't have any sense.

That's right boys and girls. ATG has 32 siblings.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6975|Global Command
Na.


I'm kinda distanced.


I wouldn't know half of them if they knocked me over in a crowd.
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6893|Chicago, IL

Turquoise wrote:

Here's a serious question: Why is polygamy illegal?

I've never quite understood the Mormon religion, and while I also don't understand why someone would willingly enter a polygamous relationship, I don't see it really being the government's business to tell consenting adults that they can't form a polygamous marriage.

What rational (a.k.a. - non-religious) reasons are there to keep polygamy illegal?  Shouldn't it be allowed in the U.S. if we are to call ourselves a free country?

For those of you outside of the U.S., feel free to respond as well.  I'm assuming most of us here live in countries where polygamy is illegal.
The man/woman ratio in the US is about 1:1, if some guy married more than one woman, then someone else is outta luck, simple as that.
Anfidurl
Use the bumper, that's what its for!
+103|7039|Lexington, Kentucky
Um. Polygamy is the practice of multiple husbands/wives.

To talk about just multiple wives, it's polygyny.
Just multiple husbands, polyandry.

Now, honestly, I could care less what other people do. If some muslim has four wives, who cares?
It doesn't affect me.

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