BF2S Forums Tank Gunners [Rant]

Barney_T_Dinosaur wrote:

ok, so you just had a 33-1 round and you are complaining that gunners are getting you killed... LOL.

sounds like "I was spawnraping on karkand one day and for some reason after killing 40 guys at the spawn 1 spec ops somehow managed to get past me and MY FUCKING USELESS GUNNER DIDNT KILL HIM I MEAN WTF! STUPID FUCKING GUNNERS! IF HE HADN'T BEEN FIRING NO ONE WOULD HAVE KNOWN MY 60 TON TANK THAT HAD JUST KILLED THEM ALL 4 TIMES EACH WAS THERE!!111"

Heres a tip, dont rely on anyone else when you are in armour, if you arent aware of your surroundings tough shit, you deserve to die, dont blame that poor asshole in the .50 who is exposed to everything while you are sat inside 60 tons of armour which CAN take anywhere between 2-4  AT hits.  If you are at a spawn (which as you describe as supporting your team) most enemies with half a brain will hear you anyway (120mm cannons are quite noisy you know!)  Tanks are tough enough to take out as it is, if you are given away as you put it and get hit then pull back and repair.  Its not like you are a soft target so quit complaining.  Yes gunners who spam are annoying, but trust me us infantry can hear you coming round that corner with or without that .50 spamming, so dont blame your gunner if you fail to deal with a situation, even if he may have caused it.

Excuse me sir, but you're a fucking idiot.

If you happened to read my post, you would know I was nowhere near an enemy spawn. I'm usually right inside visual range.
Furthermore, I don't rely on a gunner, I don't expect there to be anyone there and I play as if they're not (unless they proved they had half a brain).

To whoever said that a tank SHOULD cap a flag, sir, I disagree strongly. You're way too vulnerable and as infantry spawn around you, you can easily get ambushed from the back. By supporting your troops and staying a moderate distance away from the flag in question, you can eliminate all threats from your fellow infantrymen. Just my opinion anyway.

Wait until you have gathered more time in a tank before ranting at gunners, n00b.

Tanks in BF2 are used best as offensive weapons, not support for the Infantry. When you have a good tank operator on your team the Infantry supports the tank. I'm not saying spawn rape or camping is what a tanks is used for, that's lame and not fun (Like the grenade spamming). A good tank operator will cause the enemy team to focus on the tank and no other objectives, IE Most of the enemies will re-spawn as anti-tank to get you, and any good tanker can easily outlast a bunch of anti-tankers. I engage enemies per there threat while in armor: 1) Enemy Armor 2) Advancing Infantry 3) Defending Infantry 4) Odd balls and stragglers. A so called noob in your turret is rarely a problem for a good tanker.

MadKatter wrote:

Barney_T_Dinosaur wrote:

ok, so you just had a 33-1 round and you are complaining that gunners are getting you killed... LOL.

sounds like "I was spawnraping on karkand one day and for some reason after killing 40 guys at the spawn 1 spec ops somehow managed to get past me and MY FUCKING USELESS GUNNER DIDNT KILL HIM I MEAN WTF! STUPID FUCKING GUNNERS! IF HE HADN'T BEEN FIRING NO ONE WOULD HAVE KNOWN MY 60 TON TANK THAT HAD JUST KILLED THEM ALL 4 TIMES EACH WAS THERE!!111"

Heres a tip, dont rely on anyone else when you are in armour, if you arent aware of your surroundings tough shit, you deserve to die, dont blame that poor asshole in the .50 who is exposed to everything while you are sat inside 60 tons of armour which CAN take anywhere between 2-4  AT hits.  If you are at a spawn (which as you describe as supporting your team) most enemies with half a brain will hear you anyway (120mm cannons are quite noisy you know!)  Tanks are tough enough to take out as it is, if you are given away as you put it and get hit then pull back and repair.  Its not like you are a soft target so quit complaining.  Yes gunners who spam are annoying, but trust me us infantry can hear you coming round that corner with or without that .50 spamming, so dont blame your gunner if you fail to deal with a situation, even if he may have caused it.

Excuse me sir, but you're a fucking idiot.

If you happened to read my post, you would know I was nowhere near an enemy spawn. I'm usually right inside visual range.
Furthermore, I don't rely on a gunner, I don't expect there to be anyone there and I play as if they're not (unless they proved they had half a brain).

To whoever said that a tank SHOULD cap a flag, sir, I disagree strongly. You're way too vulnerable and as infantry spawn around you, you can easily get ambushed from the back. By supporting your troops and staying a moderate distance away from the flag in question, you can eliminate all threats from your fellow infantrymen. Just my opinion anyway.

Excuse me sir, you are the fucking idiot, looks like YOU stoppped reading my post as soon as i talked about Karkand and spawn raping (not touched a raw spot i hope!) because thats what it sounded like - another tanker winging - AND if you READ my post and several others you will realise that if you are trying to play splinter cell in that Abrams its not going to work, INFANTRY CAN HEAR YOU even if you are "just in visual range" and if this is the case, moron, then your coaxial MG makes JUST AS MUCH NOISE as the .50 and also has tracers, so thats basically youre argument out the window, and since you never get close to a flag you would be using that MG and main cannon a lot, right? and so being at that range the gunner makes fuck all difference, so basically you're post is "I got killed by someone smart who flanked me".  SO my point again, dont blame the gunner, oh and i suggest in future you dont open replies with you're a fucking idiot, everyone here can express a viewpoint, now have a lovely day, hugs and kisses xxx

mazerali62 wrote:

I have nearly 6500 flag captures and i would say a quarter of those were in a tank. Its the best possible way to cap a flag!!

Hmm, I'm not sure I agree with your logic.  If 25% of your caps are in a tank, that implies that 75% of your caps are not in a tank.  Therefore, the inference would be that the best way to cap is, in fact, not in a tank.  Personally, I think that tankers who sit at a flag are just sitting ducks for competent AT and spec ops enemies.

Max.

It would be great to have a gunner to help you in the tank. However, since 90% of them steal your tank if you jump out to repair, I always drive well away from any action and just sit there doing nothing until he gets bored and leaves. I hate having a gunner with me.

you play karkand, and your trying to be stealthy in a tank. I stopped reading after that

If the Commander on the other team is any good at all then it doesn't matter what your gunner does or if he misses or not.  Tanks will always get spotted.  Perhaps it is just a coincidence that you have a gunner trying to kill people too.

Also ... why do people think the only alternative is to kill the annoying teammate.  To me killing a teammate just because they are not as good as you is ridiculous.  (Yes, that's the basics of it.)  You could have just cost your team a close game.  Ever think of constructive criticism?  Perhaps one small comment will make them the perfect gunning partner while TKing them teaches them nothing at all other than there are arses playing the game.

Also ... if they spam the gun and get killed "by the enemy" a few times then maybe they will learn some restraint.  If they spam the gun a little and get killed by their driver then they'll just think that their driver has no idea about team play and is an arse.

Ranting about people stealing your tank or TKing you is understandable.  Counter TKing is understandable too.   But a lot of the other crap I hear ......  Might as well say, "Yeah, a few of us were running up to cap the flag and the medic next to me kept missing the enemy so I TKed his useless arse.  Then I realized that if I TK most of my team then it leaves more enemies for me to kill and I can get a better score."   (sarcasm of course)

MadKatter wrote:

To whoever said that a tank SHOULD cap a flag, sir, I disagree strongly. You're way too vulnerable and as infantry spawn around you, you can easily get ambushed from the back. By supporting your troops and staying a moderate distance away from the flag in question, you can eliminate all threats from your fellow infantrymen. Just my opinion anyway.

And mine too as I totally agree with you.

I think you can get high K/D-s in the easiest way by using a tank. It doesn't require as much time/practice to master it as helicopters or jets. You only have to stick to some points (10 or so) and you can be a very deadly tanker. But I definitely would say that the most important point in order to be an effective tank driver is not to cap flags. Although there are some flags on city maps that you can capture with a tank relatively easily and safety, in overall I would say not to cap flags as not capping flags is the key to stay alive in a tank as long as possible, especially on air maps. Capturing flags is the job of infantry. Infantry is suitable for it, armors don't.

Last edited by GameOver (2007-07-10 10:08:11)

mazerali62 wrote:

Try playing Ghost Town or Warlord and dont cap any flags with a tank, you will loose the round. A tank and APC together with engineer's can control these maps and easily push the other side to its uncaps by taking the flags, its the best way to win on these.

I have never played on Ghost Town or Warlord thus I cannot comment on this.

mazerali62 wrote:

But its about wining for the team and not your own KD ratio, anyone can spawn camp and go at it on your own, does this help the team win, no you sit there getting a nice score while the other side cap's the flags and win's. However its personal choice how you play and what for.

Spawn camping instead of capping flags means staying alive further. Staying alive further means being able to support your team more. By spawn camping you can
a) support your team by killing/destroying the spawning enemy soldiers/vehicles while friendly infantry capturing the flag;
b) support your team by don't letting the enemy leave their flag thus you prevent them from capturing your own flags ie. you are defending your own flags this way. So I would say spawn camping is not something wrong but it's a very effective tactic to kill a lot of enemy without dieing, actually it's 'the proper usage of a tank'(copyright by PlaneWhore).

Of course, you can still lose a round despite the fact that you have got a nice score/a high K/D as a tanker but this is not the tanker's fault. The tanker was just doing his job. This is the infantries' fault because they haven't captured the flags, because they haven't been able to benefit from the tanker's kills.