Taiwan and China Issue Debate

2007-07-19 08:09:05

#26

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|7003

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
Bubbalo wrote:
You do know that until very recently you were under a Chinese military dictatorship?
Yes... What is your point? Different politcal groups... KMT and Communists. The KMT fled to Taiwan, and set up another nation. If Taiwan was to belong to another country, it would be Japan since they were the only ones who actually colinized this country.

Uh.........no. Taiwan basically consists of a series of occupations by Chinese dissidents. But you still aren't listening to what I'm saying.

The definition of statehood is recognition. Taiwan is recognised as a part of China. Therefore it is part of China, regardless of what level of independence it may or may not have.

2007-07-19 08:11:59

#27

M.O.A.B: 'Light 'em up!'; +1,220|6665|Escea

Bubbalo wrote:
M.O.A.B wrote:
Yes but Taiwan was also ruled by the Japanese at one point, so is it part of Japan as well>
No, because it isn't recognised as part of Japan.

Are you reading what I write, or just picking the bits you like?

I don't remember you writing about Japan so no, and everyone picks the bits they like, nothing new. I don't recognise it as part of China, I'm pretty sure Cyborg doesn't either.

2007-07-19 08:12:59

#28

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|7003

Well, just as soon as the two of you form a majority of the UN we can declare Taiwan independent. Until then, the status quo doesn't look like changing.

2007-07-19 08:14:16

#29

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7158

Bubbalo wrote:
Well, just as soon as the two of you form a majority of the UN we can declare Taiwan independent. Until then, the status quo doesn't look like changing.

Why must everything go to the UN?

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2007-07-19 08:19:26

#30

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|7003

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
Why must everything go to the UN?

That's basically the current benchmark of statehood. If you have enough recognition to be a state, then those who recognise you can get you into the UN.

2007-07-19 08:25:20

#31

Flecco: iPod is broken.; +1,048|7107|NT, like Mick Dundee

Bubbalo wrote:
You are recognised as a part of China, therefore you are. That's how countries work. That's why Palestine isn't a country. That's why Somalia wasn't (still isn't?) a country.

China's threats to attack Taiwan (in it's view) is telling Taiwan not to secede. It's basically putting down a rebel insurgency.

Somalia = country/state/nation. Recognised by everybody. Somalia.

Somaliland = democratic republic that is rather successful........ but officially doesn't exist because nobody recognises it. Somaliland.

Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.

2007-07-19 08:29:03

#32

Harmor: Error_Name_Not_Found; +605|6991|San Diego, CA, USA

2013 China will invade Taiwan.

2007-07-19 08:29:58

#33

M.O.A.B: 'Light 'em up!'; +1,220|6665|Escea

It happened in C&C: Generals as far as I remember, that was in 2018.

Last edited by M.O.A.B (2007-07-19 08:30:44)

2007-07-19 08:37:59

#34

David.P: Banned; +649|6716

Cyborg if the chinese attacked taiwan what army would you join? Your own Taiwanese army, The US army, The UK army, Or the Australian army?
Me i'd join the Brits as i love that L85a2.

Last edited by David.P (2007-07-19 08:39:09)

2007-07-19 08:43:26

#35

Mitch: 16 more years; +877|6967|South Florida

I dunno if i like China.
There "In ur enonumy, makin ur goodz"

Last edited by Mitch (2007-07-19 08:43:37)

15 more years! 15 more years!

2007-07-19 08:46:19

#36

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7158

David.P wrote:
Cyborg if the chinese attacked taiwan what army would you join? Your own Taiwanese army, The US army, The UK army, Or the Australian army?
Me i'd join the Brits as i love that L85a2.

I'm an Australian citizen so I'll join the Aussies I would immediatly sign up if China was to attack, they will need all the translators they can get.

2007-07-19 08:49:59

#37

M.O.A.B: 'Light 'em up!'; +1,220|6665|Escea

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
David.P wrote:
Cyborg if the chinese attacked taiwan what army would you join? Your own Taiwanese army, The US army, The UK army, Or the Australian army?
Me i'd join the Brits as i love that L85a2.
I'm an Australian citizen so I'll join the Aussies I would immediatly sign up if China was to attack, they will need all the translators they can get.

Hell I'll come help out, gimme an M4 with a 203 and I'll unleash hell, and don't deny it .

2007-07-19 10:24:23

#38

Spazz: Member; +7|7008

watch ARMEGEDON
near the end the russian guy goes " AMERICAN COMPONENTS RUSSIAN COMPONETS ALL MADE IN TAIWAN!!"

2007-07-20 03:03:25

#39

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|7003

David.P wrote:
Cyborg if the chinese attacked taiwan what army would you join? Your own Taiwanese army, The US army, The UK army, Or the Australian army?
Me i'd join the Brits as i love that L85a2.

Australia/UK are unlikely to take a direct combat role.

2007-07-20 07:07:20

#40

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7158

Bubbalo wrote:
David.P wrote:
Cyborg if the chinese attacked taiwan what army would you join? Your own Taiwanese army, The US army, The UK army, Or the Australian army?
Me i'd join the Brits as i love that L85a2.
Australia/UK are unlikely to take a direct combat role.

Australia is USA's bitch, same goes for England, what do you expect?

2007-07-20 07:58:31

#41

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|7003

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
Australia is USA's bitch, same goes for England, what do you expect?

John Howard is maybe the US' bitch, but so far Australia has yet to give up lucrative trade deals to ally with the US. China is worth too much to us.

And Britain has long ago given up caring about Asia, and are not now, nor have they ever been, anyone's bitch.

2007-07-20 09:27:53

#42

M.O.A.B: 'Light 'em up!'; +1,220|6665|Escea

My dad's old Ford Fiesta was made in Taiwan, that car was awesome.

2007-07-20 18:53:49

#43

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|7003

Taiwan does make some cool shit.

2007-07-20 18:58:17

#44

agent146: Member; +127|6829|Jesus Land aka Canada

all i say is make them duke it out on a war.

2007-07-20 18:59:18

#45

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|7086

Bubbalo wrote:
You people don't seem to understand how statehood works. Taiwan is a part of China because it is recognised as a part of China. Just the same as Alaska is a part of the US because it is recognised as being a part of the US. Taiwan is represented on the UN by China. Just the same as Palestine isn't a state because it isn't recognised as such.

You don't like Taiwan's current position? Complain to Europe and the US (also Russia, Australia et al).

so the peoples republic of china wasnt a country until they were recognized in the 1970's.

2007-07-20 19:02:56

#46

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|7003

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
so the peoples republic of china wasnt a country until they were recognized in the 1970's.

Somewhat more complex because they were recognised by the Soviet bloc, but that argument could certainly be made.

2007-07-21 00:47:25

#47

BVC: Member; +325|7138

So, if ROC did the whole formal declaration of independence thing, does anyone think PRC would actually invade or just talk about it?

2007-07-21 00:52:52

#48

=NHB=Shadow: hi; +322|6808|California

Know what sucks?
I'm a Mix of Chinese & Taiwanese.

2007-07-21 00:54:57

#49

M.O.A.B: 'Light 'em up!'; +1,220|6665|Escea

=NHB=Shadow wrote:
Know what sucks?
I'm a Mix of Chinese & Taiwanese.

You'll have to fight yourself lol.

2007-07-21 08:37:43

#50

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6971|Global Command

Bubbalo wrote:
M.O.A.B wrote:
Yes but Taiwan was also ruled by the Japanese at one point, so is it part of Japan as well>
No, because it isn't recognised as part of Japan.

Are you reading what I write, or just picking the bits you like?

I sorta hear you Bubs.

But if the Palestinians aren't recognized and therefor have no claim to Israeli soil does that mean you and Serge will finally stfu about them?

I think not.

It sux Robot. But Taiwan is a recognized part of China.

The question is, how can your people remedy it without a war?

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